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Re: Blood moon/ supermoon next month and apocalypse? [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
#22165963 - 08/30/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well this is what my source says:
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Israel uses a lunar calendar, and they base their feast days upon the phases of the moon. Logic would dictate that because of this fact alone, lunar eclipses will fall on Jewish feast days with some regularity. In an article published by Answers in Genesis[5] regarding Biltz’s Blood Moon Theory, they commented on the rarity of total lunar eclipses falling on Passover and Sukkot in this way:
“No, it’s really not that unusual. Remember, a lunar eclipse happens only at full moon. We don’t follow a strictly lunar calendar today, but most ancient people, including the Hebrews, did. Their months began with the first appearance of the crescent of the new moon, which is a day or so after our modern definition of a new moon (when the moon and sun are in longitudinal conjunction). Reckoning from this point, fourteen days later, or the fifteenth of the month, always coincides with full moon.”
The article then discusses the frequency in which lunar eclipses fell on Passover and Sukkot, the same feast days as in the Blood Moon theory.
They start off here by mentioning that so far in the 20th century this has happened 37 times:
“…we can say that all 37 of these lunar eclipses coincided with Passover or Sukkot. This is about one-sixth (37/230) of the twentieth-century lunar eclipses, which is what we would expect because Passover and Sukkot happen in two of the 12 months. The relatively high frequency is a result of definition of the fifteenth day of the month on a lunar calendar. Therefore, again, the coincidence of lunar eclipses with these two observances is more common than Biltz realizes.”
So, do you understand what they’re saying?
They’re saying that lunar eclipses are so common on these particular Jewish holidays that it’s occurred 37 times just in the 20th century. They are so common that Biltz and Hagee have had to essentially say, “Okay, yeah, eclipses on these Jewish holidays do happen all the time, but how about two eclipses within two years of one another? Oh, that’s common, too. Well, how about four eclipses within two years of each other? Oh, that’s common, too. Well, how about we throw two of those away, and only look at the other three, and twist those a bit, and then we’ll have something to write a book about?”
http://bibleprophecytalk.com/bpt-blood-moon-theory-debunked-and-more/
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Re: Blood moon/ supermoon next month and apocalypse? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#22166026 - 08/30/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: Well this is what my source says:
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Israel uses a lunar calendar, and they base their feast days upon the phases of the moon. Logic would dictate that because of this fact alone, lunar eclipses will fall on Jewish feast days with some regularity. In an article published by Answers in Genesis[5] regarding Biltz’s Blood Moon Theory, they commented on the rarity of total lunar eclipses falling on Passover and Sukkot in this way:
“No, it’s really not that unusual. Remember, a lunar eclipse happens only at full moon. We don’t follow a strictly lunar calendar today, but most ancient people, including the Hebrews, did. Their months began with the first appearance of the crescent of the new moon, which is a day or so after our modern definition of a new moon (when the moon and sun are in longitudinal conjunction). Reckoning from this point, fourteen days later, or the fifteenth of the month, always coincides with full moon.”
The article then discusses the frequency in which lunar eclipses fell on Passover and Sukkot, the same feast days as in the Blood Moon theory.
They start off here by mentioning that so far in the 20th century this has happened 37 times:
“…we can say that all 37 of these lunar eclipses coincided with Passover or Sukkot. This is about one-sixth (37/230) of the twentieth-century lunar eclipses, which is what we would expect because Passover and Sukkot happen in two of the 12 months. The relatively high frequency is a result of definition of the fifteenth day of the month on a lunar calendar. Therefore, again, the coincidence of lunar eclipses with these two observances is more common than Biltz realizes.”
So, do you understand what they’re saying?
They’re saying that lunar eclipses are so common on these particular Jewish holidays that it’s occurred 37 times just in the 20th century. They are so common that Biltz and Hagee have had to essentially say, “Okay, yeah, eclipses on these Jewish holidays do happen all the time, but how about two eclipses within two years of one another? Oh, that’s common, too. Well, how about four eclipses within two years of each other? Oh, that’s common, too. Well, how about we throw two of those away, and only look at the other three, and twist those a bit, and then we’ll have something to write a book about?”
http://bibleprophecytalk.com/bpt-blood-moon-theory-debunked-and-more/
I don't understand all about this stuff but check out this page by NASA -
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2014/27mar_tetrad/
When four total lunar eclipses take place without any partial lunar eclipses in between, it is called a ‘Tetrad’. Tetrads are rare, having only occurred 54 times in the last 2015 years, however we are now in the middle of what NASA is referring to as the “2014-2015 tetrad”. “The most unique thing about the 2014-2015 tetrad is that all of them are visible for all or parts of the USA,” says longtime NASA eclipse expert Fred Espenak. "
NASA says "On average, lunar eclipses occur about twice a year, but not all of them are total."
"During the 21st century, there are 8 sets of tetrads, so I would describe tetrads as a frequent occurrence in the current pattern of lunar eclipses," says Espenak. "But this has not always been the case. During the three hundred year interval from 1600 to 1900, for instance, there were no tetrads at all."
So, I'm not sure if this is in relevance of what you posted (due to my lack of understanding and research) however I guess you could say NASA claims these particular Lunar eclipses have been rare for sometime, until recent times.
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Re: Blood moon/ supermoon next month and apocalypse? [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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There's been 54 in the past 2000 years, and some are near to significant events. To me that is clearly a coincidence, and not really that amazing in of itself. My problem with what I read from your source is stating that this is the fiddlings of a god. If it is, it's a sloppy god.
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Or a super duper badass god that makes patterns way too heady for the likes of peons
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Re: Blood moon/ supermoon next month and apocalypse? [Re: twighead]
#22166110 - 08/30/15 07:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maybe this time it means the jews will overreach and lose back their stolen land?
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Re: Blood moon/ supermoon next month and apocalypse? [Re: moonrockmushy]
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moonrockmushy said: There's been 54 in the past 2000 years, and some are near to significant events. To me that is clearly a coincidence, and not really that amazing in of itself. My problem with what I read from your source is stating that this is the fiddlings of a god. If it is, it's a sloppy god.
The idea of subject matter is not to convince any one of a religion.
Within these thoughts, the article posted by OP claims there is biblical significance to the idea of "This could be the end of the world" within the involvements of the red moons, rather based from scripture or religious claims. With the particular subject I'm not sure what basis you would have to comment on such sorts other than religious or biblical evidence, unless there is some type of scientific explanation for why the occurrences of the red moons would mean the end of the world. Thus my reason for turning to religious sources. I have yet to see the scriptures that claim the happenings of the red moons means the end of the world. Don't get me wrong.. I did not say its not there... I just doubt it.
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Re: Blood moon/ supermoon next month and apocalypse? [Re: Stonehenge]
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Re: Blood moon/ supermoon next month and apocalypse? [Re: deucedbi9]
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I might trip one night during the blood moon maybe
Gonna be cool regardless  space planets that shit blows my mind
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Re: Blood moon/ supermoon next month and apocalypse? [Re: SunnyD]
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Gonna be cool regardless  space planets that shit blows my mind
i thought it was beautiful the one time ive seen one. the desert was a beautiful setting for it
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Re: Blood moon/ supermoon next month and apocalypse? [Re: SunnyD]
#22166226 - 08/30/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The assumption is that right after the blood moon we will have a "end of every thing" style crisis, similar to that of the end of the world 2012 Myan calendar crap. Also reminds me of Y2K. I cannot even see this being scripturally plausible on its own. What about the rapture? That's in scripture. I suppose the rapture would have to happen on the SAME exact night as the blood moon to make this "end of the world" idea come to light. I doubt if studied out in context(s) that it would even fit together to happen in the same time frame like that.
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Re: Blood moon/ supermoon next month and apocalypse? [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
#22166284 - 08/30/15 08:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: There's been 54 in the past 2000 years, and some are near to significant events. To me that is clearly a coincidence, and not really that amazing in of itself. My problem with what I read from your source is stating that this is the fiddlings of a god. If it is, it's a sloppy god.
The idea of subject matter is not to convince any one of a religion.
Within these thoughts, the article posted by OP claims there is biblical significance to the idea of "This could be the end of the world" within the involvements of the red moons, rather based from scripture or religious claims. With the particular subject I'm not sure what basis you would have to comment on such sorts other than religious or biblical evidence, unless there is some type of scientific explanation for why the occurrences of the red moons would mean the end of the world. Thus my reason for turning to religious sources. I have yet to see the scriptures that claim the happenings of the red moons means the end of the world. Don't get me wrong.. I did not say its not there... I just doubt it.
If you watched the video or read the transcript that I linked, you would see that my source is also religious.
I would like to know what doesn't indicate that the end is near to people who are already convinced that this is inevitable. The only way to see this as validation of scripture is to be very selective with what scriptures you choose, and what events you choose to tie to them. Pretty much anything could be proven like this.
It sounds to me like you're leaning towards this event having some supernatural significance, but you're hedging your bets and saying, maybe it's the end of the world, maybe it's significant in another way. I don't see how that helps anyone though.
I'm sure things will happen on the blood moon, things always are happening. I'm sure that the people who claim it is the end of the world will just roll over and pick another date in the not-too-distant future to feed to people looking for answers, despite the fact that such people have been proven wrong since the dawn of civilization.
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Re: Blood moon/ supermoon next month and apocalypse? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#22166364 - 08/30/15 08:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Speaking of Bloodmoons....According to TV Pastor John Hagee, the apocalypse will occur in 2017
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Re: Blood moon/ supermoon next month and apocalypse? [Re: moonrockmushy]
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moonrockmushy said: There's been 54 in the past 2000 years, and some are near to significant events. To me that is clearly a coincidence, and not really that amazing in of itself. My problem with what I read from your source is stating that this is the fiddlings of a god. If it is, it's a sloppy god.
The idea of subject matter is not to convince any one of a religion.
Within these thoughts, the article posted by OP claims there is biblical significance to the idea of "This could be the end of the world" within the involvements of the red moons, rather based from scripture or religious claims. With the particular subject I'm not sure what basis you would have to comment on such sorts other than religious or biblical evidence, unless there is some type of scientific explanation for why the occurrences of the red moons would mean the end of the world. Thus my reason for turning to religious sources. I have yet to see the scriptures that claim the happenings of the red moons means the end of the world. Don't get me wrong.. I did not say its not there... I just doubt it.
If you watched the video or read the transcript that I linked, you would see that my source is also religious.
I would like to know what doesn't indicate that the end is near to people who are already convinced that this is inevitable. The only way to see this as validation of scripture is to be very selective with what scriptures you choose, and what events you choose to tie to them. Pretty much anything could be proven like this.
It sounds to me like you're leaning towards this event having some supernatural significance, but you're hedging your bets and saying, maybe it's the end of the world, maybe it's significant in another way. I don't see how that helps anyone though.
I'm sure things will happen on the blood moon, things always are happening. I'm sure that the people who claim it is the end of the world will just roll over and pick another date in the not-too-distant future to feed to people looking for answers, despite the fact that such people have been proven wrong since the dawn of civilization.
mmmm... you are correct I did not check your sources. (just took a look and watched the video)
You should post what does indicate it. I really don't care what Mark Biltz or John Hagee have to say about the subject. To me those are random names and people.
I honestly in all ways do not see it as the end of the world. I put the idea into the same category of Y2K or the 2012 ancient Mayan Calender. Earlier I posted why Christians or Jews find this stuff as of having value. Can you quote me otherwise?
From my understanding Chris White is a Christian(from my small review of his website. Is that right? (I could not find a wikki page on him and with all the debunks I'm not sure what to think other than he is or has a religion of some type for this to be from a religious stand point)
Regardless I do not hold the stance that the blood moons mean the end of the world (as I posted earlier).
I do however stick with what facts say, as I quoted NASA earlier.
"NASA says "On average, lunar eclipses occur about twice a year, but not all of them are total."
"During the 21st century, there are 8 sets of tetrads, so I would describe tetrads as a frequent occurrence in the current pattern of lunar eclipses," says Espenak. "But this has not always been the case. During the three hundred year interval from 1600 to 1900, for instance, there were no tetrads at all."
So, I'm not sure if this is in relevance of what you posted (due to my lack of understanding and research) however I guess you could say NASA claims these particular Lunar eclipses have been rare for sometime, until recent times."
which was a response to your sources saying that lunar eclipses are common.
My response was completely non religiously motivated.
I do see scripture as important considering all this mess is because of scripture/ The Holy Bible.
My earlier post said
"With the particular subject I'm not sure what basis you would have to comment on such sorts other than religious or biblical evidence.......Thus my reason for turning to religious sources."
You have proven to me that your sources are religious. I'm not to sure now what your point of argument is. Maybe some type of assumption that I am religious? I'm not sure what would indicate that, seeing i'm on subject with the threads topic.
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Re: Blood moon/ supermoon next month and apocalypse? [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
#22167174 - 08/30/15 11:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Read page 10 of your source and tell me that is not referring to an apocalypse:
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According to many Bible believers, the 500 year pattern of tetrads overlapping with Jewish Festivals means that there is great significance to the 2014-2015 period we now live in. The last three examples demonstrate a pattern of Jewish persecution followed by miraculous intervention where God rescues Israel from danger and leads the Jewish people to safety and vibrancy. The Jewish people today are confronted with genocidal threats from a nuclear Iran, brutal terrorism from Islamic Jihadists, and isolation from the liberal, western world. The pattern of persecution and danger is there, but will the pattern continue and will we be blessed to see God’s miraculous intervention and restoration of Israel once again?
You do know what the restoration of Israel means, right?
My main problem is that you grouped the whole finger of God thing under the "facts" section in your first post.
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“The concurrence and rarity of this natural event, together with the times in which we live, indicates the finger of God,”
I thought that was suspicious, and I'm definitely under the impression like you're looking for something to be supernatural here, but maybe I am reading into what you are saying too much.
To be honest I'm not sure what your point is either. The source you are using draws on the same exact information and misconceptions as Blitz/Hagee, it is just as unscientific and biased. Actually it seems like they are unfairly taking credit for Blitz/Hagee's work, as dubious as that work might be, or perhaps it is the other way around.
Rare is a relative term. Plenty of things are rare, but that doesn't make them significant. I think the source I provided did a pretty good job of showing this. When it comes to astronomy 2000 years is a very short time, and lunar eclipses do happen rather frequently. When in why this happens is determined by physical laws that we understand well enough, and to use NASA data to support pseudoscience rubs me the wrong way.
The apocalypse is brought up in the OP. You do not think this is the apocalypse, but I feel like I am getting hints that you're looking for it to be something. There's no reason to think that it is connected to some divine plan whatsoever, other than some people want it to be so. All this talk of tetrads and history is befuddling enough that many people will just accept it without actually digging into the information, which is pretty much how pseudoscience thrives.
I feel like the whole {astronomical event X} means {prophecy Y} should automatically set off people's BS detectors, but like I said some people are eager for this and will ignore reason in favor of their fantasy of being validated in a divine manner.
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Re: Blood moon/ supermoon next month and apocalypse? [Re: moonrockmushy]
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moonrockmushy said: Read page 10 of your source and tell me that is not referring to an apocalypse:
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According to many Bible believers, the 500 year pattern of tetrads overlapping with Jewish Festivals means that there is great significance to the 2014-2015 period we now live in. The last three examples demonstrate a pattern of Jewish persecution followed by miraculous intervention where God rescues Israel from danger and leads the Jewish people to safety and vibrancy. The Jewish people today are confronted with genocidal threats from a nuclear Iran, brutal terrorism from Islamic Jihadists, and isolation from the liberal, western world. The pattern of persecution and danger is there, but will the pattern continue and will we be blessed to see God’s miraculous intervention and restoration of Israel once again?
You do know what the restoration of Israel means, right?
My main problem is that you grouped the whole finger of God thing under the "facts" section in your first post.
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“The concurrence and rarity of this natural event, together with the times in which we live, indicates the finger of God,”
I thought that was suspicious, and I'm definitely under the impression like you're looking for something to be supernatural here, but maybe I am reading into what you are saying too much.
To be honest I'm not sure what your point is either. The source you are using draws on the same exact information and misconceptions as Blitz/Hagee, it is just as unscientific and biased. Actually it seems like they are unfairly taking credit for Blitz/Hagee's work, as dubious as that work might be, or perhaps it is the other way around.
Rare is a relative term. Plenty of things are rare, but that doesn't make them significant. I think the source I provided did a pretty good job of showing this. When it comes to astronomy 2000 years is a very short time, and lunar eclipses do happen rather frequently. When in why this happens is determined by physical laws that we understand well enough, and to use NASA data to support pseudoscience rubs me the wrong way.
The apocalypse is brought up in the OP. You do not think this is the apocalypse, but I feel like I am getting hints that you're looking for it to be something. There's no reason to think that it is connected to some divine plan whatsoever, other than some people want it to be so. All this talk of tetrads and history is befuddling enough that many people will just accept it without actually digging into the information, which is pretty much how pseudoscience thrives.
I feel like the whole {astronomical event X} means {prophecy Y} should automatically set off people's BS detectors, but like I said some people are eager for this and will ignore reason in favor of their fantasy of being validated in a divine manner.
If you read my post it says "Here is some information I pulled from a article/ ebook on the subject which I find to be rather facts more than dealing with faith or religion."
Also if you are still interested I posted " the biblical significance of the blood moons that are held in high value to Christians and Jewish people world wide. "
This subject surrounds Christians and Jews. My sources are religious which do involve God. I'm not sure why you want to remove the subject of thought here. Being God, bible, scripture. Blood moons.
I'm not going to argue with what you may or may not think of my personal views of life within religion or no religion, if I have indicated any of those things.
My main point was as I already posted. I don't mean nothing more or nothing less by this.
"NASA says "On average, lunar eclipses occur about twice a year, but not all of them are total."
"During the 21st century, there are 8 sets of tetrads, so I would describe tetrads as a frequent occurrence in the current pattern of lunar eclipses," says Espenak. "But this has not always been the case. During the three hundred year interval from 1600 to 1900, for instance, there were no tetrads at all."
So, I'm not sure if this is in relevance of what you posted (due to my lack of understanding and research) however I guess you could say NASA claims these particular Lunar eclipses have been rare for sometime, until recent times."
which was a response to your sources saying that lunar eclipses are common.
Earlier I posted this "I honestly in all ways do not see it as the end of the world. I put the idea into the same category of Y2K or the 2012 ancient Mayan Calender. Earlier I posted why Christians or Jews find this stuff as of having value. Can you quote me otherwise? ". I now reinstate it.
Within where things involve this Hagee and Blitz you keep talking about, you do what makes you happy, I'm not sure of their significance to me (I don't know them) or most people involved here.
You said: "I thought that was suspicious, and I'm definitely under the impression like you're looking for something to be supernatural here, but maybe I am reading into what you are saying too much." " You do not think this is the apocalypse, but I feel like I am getting hints that you're looking for it to be something." "The source you are using draws on the same exact information and misconceptions as Blitz/Hagee, it is just as unscientific and biased. Actually it seems like they are unfairly taking credit for Blitz/Hagee's work, as dubious as that work might be, or perhaps it is the other way around."
Once again I must say non of my posts are motivated to convince you of a religion. I'm not trying and I don't think any one else is trying to convert you here. Maybe its the things you are presented with here and the subject working on you. You never answered a question or two I think from my last post involving Chris. That's okay.
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Re: Blood moon/ supermoon next month and apocalypse? [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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I find you incredibly cryptic.
Yes the maker of that video is Christian from what I can tell, but that is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. He manages to dispute these ideas effectively, and shows how this whole "blood-moon" thing is based on twisting of scripture and cherry-picked data. I appreciated that he made the point that if this is to be viewed as fufilling these specific prophecies, something far greater than a series of eclipses would be happening, perhaps even something actually supernatural.
When the whole Earth starts shaking, and the sun and stars are blacked out, maybe then we can start expecting the end of the world. If you're going to take a normal astronomical occurrence that is really unremarkable in terms of how it impacts human life, you might as well start taking cloudy days as a sign that the end is near.
I am not trying to remove religion from the subject, I am disputing that there is a supernatural significance to these events. Why do some people believe these events are significant? Because they have been mislead by people like Blitz/Hagee and your source that draws on the same inconsistent data. This is not in any way a common belief in the Judeo-Christian world to my knowledge, it is the stuff of mystics who thrive on Youtube and Amazon bestseller list.
Lunar eclipses are relatively common, and there is nothing that special about these ones that would give someone who understands astronomy pause to think that there is something more than normal going on here. It may be that there are more eclipses than the average based on the data we have, and the eclipses might be visible over a large area, but that is bound to happen the way our planetary bodies move and interact with eachother. Some years there might be very few total lunar eclipses, which to me would make just as much sense to tie prophecies to.
If this is going to be treated as "the finger of God" I think the standards are very low. Only through ignoring the totality of the Bible passages referred to, and throwing out data that would otherwise be included as associated with this cycle of events can it be made even slightly convincing.
And I know, you do not think this is the apocalypse, but that is what we are talking about here. If you're just impressed at the science and math behind this, and the fact that it is a relatively rare happening, I would suggest making another thread as this one deals with the apocalyptic prophecies surrounding the event.
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Re: Blood moon/ supermoon next month and apocalypse? [Re: musiclover420]
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I am an apocalypse junky and eagerly follow any doomsday predictions or theories, but the whole class of "the moon is cool the world is going to end! " theories never made any sense to me.
I love the moon though.
The moon is disgusting...
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moonrockmushy
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Re: Blood moon/ supermoon next month and apocalypse? [Re: Moonshoe]
#22168251 - 08/31/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I wouldn't mind it so much if the discussions were more balanced (not here really as much as on youtube an in pop culture). It's so rare that you find someone who actually makes an effort to present a balanced viewpoint, and so common that people just parrot information fed to them without investigating arguments to the contrary.
You may not be trying to convert anyone Dr. Wong, but I believe the whole idea behind these articles using cherry-picked scientific data to support religious notions is to spur people to become more religious, or even better to give money to the people who promote these ideas and offer salvation from the end of the world. That's obviously their motive. I definitely resent that more than people who just find these things enjoyable on a personal level.
Edited by moonrockmushy (08/31/15 09:38 AM)
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Dr.Wongburger
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Re: Blood moon/ supermoon next month and apocalypse? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#22168641 - 08/31/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: I find you incredibly cryptic.
Yes the maker of that video is Christian from what I can tell, but that is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. He manages to dispute these ideas effectively, and shows how this whole "blood-moon" thing is based on twisting of scripture and cherry-picked data. I appreciated that he made the point that if this is to be viewed as fufilling these specific prophecies, something far greater than a series of eclipses would be happening, perhaps even something actually supernatural.
When the whole Earth starts shaking, and the sun and stars are blacked out, maybe then we can start expecting the end of the world. If you're going to take a normal astronomical occurrence that is really unremarkable in terms of how it impacts human life, you might as well start taking cloudy days as a sign that the end is near.
I am not trying to remove religion from the subject, I am disputing that there is a supernatural significance to these events. Why do some people believe these events are significant? Because they have been mislead by people like Blitz/Hagee and your source that draws on the same inconsistent data. This is not in any way a common belief in the Judeo-Christian world to my knowledge, it is the stuff of mystics who thrive on Youtube and Amazon bestseller list.
Lunar eclipses are relatively common, and there is nothing that special about these ones that would give someone who understands astronomy pause to think that there is something more than normal going on here. It may be that there are more eclipses than the average based on the data we have, and the eclipses might be visible over a large area, but that is bound to happen the way our planetary bodies move and interact with eachother. Some years there might be very few total lunar eclipses, which to me would make just as much sense to tie prophecies to.
If this is going to be treated as "the finger of God" I think the standards are very low. Only through ignoring the totality of the Bible passages referred to, and throwing out data that would otherwise be included as associated with this cycle of events can it be made even slightly convincing.
And I know, you do not think this is the apocalypse, but that is what we are talking about here. If you're just impressed at the science and math behind this, and the fact that it is a relatively rare happening, I would suggest making another thread as this one deals with the apocalyptic prophecies surrounding the event.
You point out the "Finger of God" quote often. Please remember those are not my words. That's from the source. I have posted why those - the source - Christians and Jews have found the red moons significant. I see nothing wrong with that, being completely on subject (these Christians and Jews from my understanding don't believe it is a apocalypse however I do not follow them- know all about their beliefs so I can not speak for them).
I do not see it as irrelevant if he's a Christian or not. These events surrounding the red moons and the bible are all about and from the Holy Bible which is The new testament and the old testament (to Jews just the old If I remember correctly). Testament means covenant. This subject surrounds those that are in Covenant with the biblical God, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Looking for accuracy on the subject I would like my information to come from those who are participating (the entire reason for religious sources - this is about religion). This is important if I am going to look at this from a third person perspective.
I feel you are directing these things at me. I am not vouching for it. I simply posted why Christians (The ones that Chris are disputing even) and Jewish people, are finding these events significant. I have disputed that there is lack of evidence for a apocalypse - I don't see a apocalypse happening. Which you can dispute however I don't mind if that's incorrect - I thrive to learn. I would enjoy to see your scriptural references (if you have those, which you may very well be able to provide, however I believe you said you feel it is not important). I feel religious doctrines or creeds are just made up- usually not scriptural based. Any one or group of people can make up a doctrine.
I added a good amount of information to the community about the subject. There's always more than one view point towards things. I see nothing wrong with that.
BTW the title of the thread is "Blood moon/ supermoon next month and apocalypse?" with a question mark. Meaning yes or no. I see my self on topic- no need for another thread.
"people just parrot information fed to them without investigating arguments to the contrary." <<This does not mean we should just ignore it and pretend its not there. By adding the information I did I added to the understanding of why these particular people are believing the way they are. BTW I have nothing against any disputing of the information. As I posted tho this is why many are finding it significant. I'm glad to hear you conclude that I'm not trying to convert any one but simply presented information.
I must say one more thing. It feels good to be called Dr.Wong bahhahahaha
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Dr.Wongburger
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Re: Blood moon/ supermoon next month and apocalypse? [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
#22168726 - 08/31/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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"You do know what the restoration of Israel means, right? My main problem is that you grouped the whole finger of God thing under the "facts" section in your first post."
Those are not my words. That you are responding to. You are asking the writer of the passage if he knows what the restoration of Israel means, not me. Btw, I will re quote myself - Here is some information I pulled from a article/ ebook on the subject which I find to be rather facts more than dealing with faith or religion. I did not say it was entirely facts. I said it was rather more than. Coming from a religious sources how could you not expect any involvement of religion anyways? Please bring to my attention any thing I for get to answer. I do appreciate it.
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