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zamperini
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Help Cacti identification
#22162316 - 08/29/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hello, is this a san pedro or other mescaline cacti ?

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Re: Help Cacti identification [Re: zamperini]
#22162587 - 08/29/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Looks like some type of cereus just not peruvianus.
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Re: Help Cacti identification [Re: spaceman101]
#22163741 - 08/30/15 08:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Looks like someone elses property.
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Re: Help Cacti identification [Re: Convergence]
#22164442 - 08/30/15 11:49 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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 Just noticed that.
You're not attempting to poach this cactus are you?
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Re: Help Cacti identification [Re: spaceman101]
#22164498 - 08/30/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't know how you guys got that he was going to steal that just by him posting a pic and asking for an I.D.
Maybe it's his property,a friends,or a family members. Or perhaps he just rented or bought the place,and that cactus was on the property.
It's possible that it's an abandoned house,because of all he trash in the yard too,but give someone the benefit of the doubt before you accuse
Edited by kactus.brand.g (08/30/15 12:00 PM)
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kosmokratorshaman
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Abandoned properties usually belong to banks. So still poaching. Thats definately a cereus
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kosmokratorshaman said: Abandoned properties usually belong to banks. So still poaching. Thats definately a cereus
I didn't say it wasn't. When I said it's possible it was an abandoned house,I was agreeing with convergence when he said looks like someone else's property.
It could be any of the instances I mentioned,but we don't know so you shouldn't assume just like you did with me too buddy
And really,if you want to get technical,poaching is illegally obtaining plants or animals form the wild,not a persons property,that's considered stealing,not poaching;)
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either way, if it isn't his, he shouldn't take it.
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I didnt assume poaching. I merely stated that the photograph appeared to be someones tended plot, next to a wall.
Just a few weeks ago, one of these discussions ended in the OP poaching the successfully IDed cactus and saying as much in the forums. Im all for helping ID stuff, Ive been helped by this forum on IDs many times. But I believe the its up to the OP to establish the context of the photo, as in "this is for sale" or "this is my grandmothers house". Sure, they could lie, but at least we do our best to minimise poaching and encourage better outcomes.
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Re: Help Cacti identification [Re: Convergence]
#22165930 - 08/30/15 06:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Convergence said: I didnt assume poaching. I merely stated that the photograph appeared to be someones tended plot, next to a wall.
Just a few weeks ago, one of these discussions ended in the OP poaching the successfully IDed cactus and saying as much in the forums. Im all for helping ID stuff, Ive been helped by this forum on IDs many times. But I believe the its up to the OP to establish the context of the photo, as in "this is for sale" or "this is my grandmothers house". Sure, they could lie, but at least we do our best to minimise poaching and encourage better outcomes.
is absolutely right.
You said it better than I ever could
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Re: Help Cacti identification [Re: Convergence]
#22165956 - 08/30/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I got ya,but again poaching is the removal of native plants and or animals from the wild,especially endangered ones.
Someones yard is not the wild,that's considered stealing,two totally different occurrences. But regardless both are wrong,and should not be tolerated
Also,removing non native plants or animals from the wild is not poaching either,for instance,say a guy planted a ton of Trichocereus out in Arizona somewhere on public land and just left them to grow,then several years later a random guy stumbles upon them,and asks for an id on here because he planned on taking some cuttings. Are you guys going to call him a a poacher?
That by no means is poaching or stealing for that matter because it's not a native plant to that area for one thing,and it's on public land,not private.
No offense,but you guys need to look up the differences in poaching and stealing.
Read this...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poaching
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Dude we all know the difference but the word poaching just expresses it better in my opinion. It's wrong. If you want a cutting you need to ask around for permission. Also if you find a non native plant on public land and start cutting on it I would disagree with it still.
You ask for permission, Buy or trade for any cutting you have.
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Re: Help Cacti identification [Re: spaceman101]
#22166057 - 08/30/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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spaceman101 said: Dude we all know the difference but the word poaching just expresses it better in my opinion. It's wrong. If you want a cutting you need to ask around for permission. Also if you find a non native plant on public land and start cutting on it I would disagree with it still.
You ask for permission, Buy or trade for any cutting you have.
I never said it wasn't wrong,and again you guys are assuming this guys a thief when you don't even know.
Surely in your mind you can't think that you're right about accusing someone of something you know absolutely nothing about,or what their true intentions were
This is all I'm trying to express,because I'll be damned if I take a picture of a plant wanting to know what it is and you all accuse me of being a poacher!
And as far as removing non native species form the wild you can disagree all you want and think it's poaching or whatever because it 100 percent isn't. You're encouraged to remove non native plants or animals form Florida,especially reptiles,and fish because they wipe out native populations. And it's against the law to catch them,and then release them back into the wild here too. You are supposed to dispose of them
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Im not even going to bother with this guy, he simply doesn't get it. The irony is hes assuming that I assumed theft, when at no point did I make this claim.
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Re: Help Cacti identification [Re: Convergence]
#22172686 - 09/01/15 06:49 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Convergence said: Im not even going to bother with this guy, he simply doesn't get it. The irony is hes assuming that I assumed theft, when at no point did I make this claim.
The irony is,that you did bother with me by making this statement;) Why did you bring this back up anyway?
I'm also sorry,my comment was meant for spaceman,not you,so I'm not sure why I put you guys when I should have just put spaceman.I misread your post I guess.
That being said,spaceman was the on who assumed,and was wrong for doing so,without really knowing,so you have a good day sir
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spaceman101
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Well I wonder if someone removed the non native plants you planted in the wild out there if you would be upset
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Re: Help Cacti identification [Re: spaceman101]
#22174122 - 09/01/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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spaceman101 said: Well I wonder if someone removed the non native plants you planted in the wild out there if you would be upset 
I like where you went with that But that's totally different. Stuff I plant out that I maintain and go visit is totally different than stuff I just plant and leave for mother nature to take care of or for whomever walks by decides to take it.
If I plant stuff,and leave it,I could care less who finds it,but if I plant,well lets say some cannabis Of course I'd be upset.
Regardless on what I plant out on public property,I can always expect that someone could possibly find and take it. It's the price you pay,when you don;t own your own property.
There are all kinds of non native plants growing int the wild here,citrus,being a notable plant,and if I decide to take some fruit,or cuttings from that plant,it's my business,and I'm not a poacher. Citrus isn't native to Florida anyway,and isn't supposed to be in he wilds here,therefore I'm not hurting the native ecology.
Your statement has nothing to do with what we're even talking about man,but I did feel I had to explain myself,and make you see the difference.
Also,why are we still going with this,let's drop it,you guys love to argue,and frankly I don't!
You were the one in the wrong for accusing that guy of poaching/stealing,so why is this all be turned around on me like I'm the bad one,you guys need serious help!
Like Rodney King said,why can't we just all get along,and give people the benefit of the doubt,without making false accusations
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Rodney King didn't say all of that,I added in the last parts,but I bet he would have,if he was still here
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Re: Help Cacti identification [Re: Convergence]
#22174315 - 09/01/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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spaceman101 said:
 Just noticed that.
You're not attempting to poach this cactus are you?
Ok I'll end this here but I need to say this because obviously you're in the wrong because I did not accuse him of poaching anything.
As you can see above I only asked him hoping for an honest response.
I NEVER simply jump to conclusions "It one of those life lessons I learned over the years that I tell you about often " there's no reason for it. IMO if you have a doubt you simply ask a question and wait for a hopefully honest response.
Well the guy's never been back so at this point "as you said to me before" He must have been looking to poach it.
Sorry for quoting a personal conversation but I felt as if it needed to be done.
I understand you though and I was wrong about the Non Native plants being poached and I knew it when I said it but I was only thinking about cacti when I responded and not citrus or any other plants that I can understand snapping up.
Shit all those passion flowers I dug up were growing on the side of an old country road and they're not native. Anyways if I was walking in some Floridian woods and I saw a pachanoi growing somewhere very well then I would think twice about taking it if it seemed to be cared for kind of like the cactus that OP posted.
Do you understand where I'm coming from now?
Respond then we can just place an end of conversation post up to drop all of this.
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Convergence said: Im not even going to bother with this guy, he simply doesn't get it. The irony is hes assuming that I assumed theft, when at no point did I make this claim.
Also Convergence there's no need for that kactus is a good friend of mine and all here in the EBG. He's a lot like me and will say what's on his mind and is very passionate about what he believes in so just disregard all of this as none of it was directed at you and it was all just under a misunderstanding.
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