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I need help with PPM for some hormones
    #22160585 - 08/29/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I have some hormones such as BAP-6, GA3, Brassoline and Triacontanol that I'm trying to break down to use today.

I've found this PDF which tells the amount of powder to reach a certain PPM but I don't know what PPM would be best to use on my cacti.

I remember reading a while back on the Corroboree a thread where a guy used it and get some heavy pupping action on a couple of his cacti but I cannot find that thread now that I'm looking for it. I know he showed what PPMs he used and all.


What is a safe and effective PPM for a couple of these hormones when it comes to cacti and does anyone know of a page or something that could help explain this a lil better?


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Re: I need help with PPM for some hormones [Re: spaceman101]
    #22160815 - 08/29/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That is exactly the info we need. I read, but dont know where, that a 2 percent bap solution is ideal


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Re: I need help with PPM for some hormones [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #22161080 - 08/29/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I know there are people here that are intelligent when it comes to plants so I'm REALLY hoping someone here can help some.


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Re: I need help with PPM for some hormones [Re: spaceman101]
    #22161144 - 08/29/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hey guys sorry for the double post but the thread is at the top already so it's not bumping it up.

I have a question for any of you guys that are good with math.

If 0.00378g = 1% "I believe that's what the PDF said" then double that would be? How many hundredths of a gram = 2%?


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Re: I need help with PPM for some hormones [Re: spaceman101]
    #22161659 - 08/29/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

.00756g


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Re: I need help with PPM for some hormones [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #22162467 - 08/29/15 09:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Are you sure?  Is that all the way down to thousandths of a gram?



I don't know if my scale goes any lower than Hundredths:justdontknow:


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Re: I need help with PPM for some hormones [Re: spaceman101]
    #22163939 - 08/30/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, that's still in thousands


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Re: I need help with PPM for some hormones [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #22164648 - 08/30/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yep. I just doubled the number you gave me


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Re: I need help with PPM for some hormones [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #22165312 - 08/30/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Oh ok well I guess I'll have to reach a higher percent to get it weighed out properly.

Will maybe 5 percent be a danger to the plants or even 10 percent?


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Re: I need help with PPM for some hormones [Re: spaceman101]
    #22165346 - 08/30/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If you have to weigh it out at a higher percentage, then after it is in solution, you can dilute it down further by whatever ratio you need to achieve what you are after. So if you have it at 5% and you would prefer 1%, add to it a further 4x more water than you already have, for example.


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Re: I need help with PPM for some hormones [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #22165643 - 08/30/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Awesome Thanks Mostly.

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Re: I need help with PPM for some hormones [Re: spaceman101]
    #22171280 - 08/31/15 09:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I got 5 g of 6-BAP a couple of years ago but never did anything with it. Somewhere here there is a thread about mixing it with lanolin to apply to cactus areoles. I was thinking Vaseline might work just as well. IIRC you need a basic pH to get it to dissolve in water, not sure how basic though.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10999321

Looks like the amount used there was 1.5% so close to the 2% mentioned here. My scale is in 0.01 g increments so I weighed out 4.90 g Vaseline and 0.10 g 6-BAP for a 2% mixture. Heated it over water that was boiled in the microwave but I'm still seeing some crystals after swirling it around for a while. Not sure if the Vaseline was a poor choice or what.


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Re: I need help with PPM for some hormones [Re: psi]
    #22171437 - 08/31/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you psi for the info. I think I'm just gonna try it at 5%.

What do you think about that? I hope it doesn't burn it.


BTW I'm mixing mine in a Potassium Hydroxide Solution.


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Re: I need help with PPM for some hormones [Re: spaceman101]
    #22171594 - 08/31/15 10:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Not sure if there are any dangers to going too high but you could try it on some low value plants first. Maybe if you go overboard the pups just keep making pups and they all go slow, I don't know.

I'm not sure if mine has really dissolved in the vaseline at all, or if it might possibly work even if it didn't really dissolve. Some possible targets I'm thinking of trying it on:

- A big rooted San Pedro I just got in the mail and want to propagate for graft stock (all my other Trichocereus is a single clone line with longer spines)
- A peyote that resembles "Lophophora cv. kikko" grafted to Trichocereus
- A peyote that was growing variegated for a while but all the new growth is green
- A Nepenthes pitcher plant that I want to multiply out a lot more


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Re: I need help with PPM for some hormones [Re: psi]
    #22172025 - 08/31/15 11:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Nice! keep us all informed on the progress of lack of that you get from your experiments please:grin:


I'll give 5% a shot on one of my young seedling trichs that I've had grafted for a while and I'll let you all know how it goes.


Does anyone have a link to the corroboree thread where the guy tried this with great success?

I know karode does so let me know please if you can find it because I'm having ALOT of trouble doing so.


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Re: I need help with PPM for some hormones [Re: spaceman101]
    #22173109 - 09/01/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

This morning I applied a bunch to the Nepenthes, the two peyote grafts and some Selenicereus grandiflorus. Haven't done anything with the new T. pachanoi though.


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Re: I need help with PPM for some hormones [Re: psi]
    #22174313 - 09/01/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Not sure if there are any dangers to going too high but you could try it on some low value plants first. Maybe if you go overboard the pups just keep making pups and they all go slow, I don't know.

I'm not sure if mine has really dissolved in the vaseline at all, or if it might possibly work even if it didn't really dissolve. Some possible targets I'm thinking of trying it on:

- A big rooted San Pedro I just got in the mail and want to propagate for graft stock (all my other Trichocereus is a single clone line with longer spines)
- A peyote that resembles "Lophophora cv. kikko" grafted to Trichocereus
- A peyote that was growing variegated for a while but all the new growth is green
- A Nepenthes pitcher plant that I want to multiply out a lot more



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This morning I applied a bunch to the Nepenthes, the two peyote grafts and some Selenicereus grandiflorus. Haven't done anything with the new T. pachanoi though.




What hormone are you using on the Nepenthes? I tried doing some cuttings last year off mine and they ALL died....  How are you going about doing yours? Have you ever successfully done Nepenthes cuttings?


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Re: I need help with PPM for some hormones [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #22175139 - 09/01/15 06:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I applied the 6-BAP to the areas where I figured the leaf nodes were, to hopefully get them to branch like nuts. My past attempts at making cuttings with them have also been unsuccessful. I've read that it's important to trim off a portion of the leaves (to limit water loss I think?) but I did not do this when I attempted cuttings in the past. Didn't apply any rooting hormone either and I kind of forgot about them, so I pretty much did everything wrong.

If the 6-BAP experiment is successful then I will probably try rooting some of the new branches.


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Re: I need help with PPM for some hormones [Re: psi]
    #22175240 - 09/01/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well definitely keep us updated. I'd be interested in someone else having success with them so I can pick their brain. When I tried mine, I took ~4 node cuttings, trimmed the leaves (to limit moisture loss, like you said), dipped cut ends in rooting hormone, put in a homemade carnivorous soil mix, and put a baggie humidity chamber over them.

Not too long ago though, I took the same plant I took the cuttings from, and just divided them. There were a few small plants growing from the root ball and I made 1 plant into 4. We'll see how they do.


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Re: I need help with PPM for some hormones [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #22175454 - 09/01/15 07:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah dividing is the only propagation method I've had success with. I wonder if 6-BAP applied to the base of the plant might encourage formation of plantlets that can later be divided off. I think I've heard of this working with bulbs.


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