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I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin.............
#22160259 - 08/29/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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He's 23 has done a lot of E and a couple of the more popular psychs lile L and Mush. He tried meth a few times an didn't like it. I asked him why and his response is he just wants to see how it is. He's curious.
He knows all about the high addiction potential and how it can easily ruin your life. The real irony in all of this is he sees the effects of heroin use everyday since he's a nurse at a methadone clinic.
Anyone got advice for my bud? I'm gonna have him read this thread.....
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Rewindicus]
#22160272 - 08/29/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Everything said is pointless. He obviously knows the risk and dangers, if that's not enough to stop him, nothing is.
I want to shoot up heroin as well, I'm just not stupid enough to do it. I know what will happen, so I'm just not even going down that road.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Rewindicus]
#22160273 - 08/29/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Maybe sniff it instead of shooting it, if he's going to experiment with heroin. Or better yet, don't fuck with it.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: qman]
#22160284 - 08/29/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was like him once upon a time. Now on the flipside, if I could go back in time, I would probably knock out the person that shot me up the first time with IV meth.
Do not do it, you are pretty much ruining a life if you help him do this.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22160302 - 08/29/15 11:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sadly you only have a handful of options;
1) cut him off if it becomes a huge issue 2) report him to the police if its too serious 3) just let him be. Most people who do heroin i assume only do it a few times. The ones that become addicted get screwed over. Hopefully he is the former
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: qman]
#22160311 - 08/29/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not a good idea at all, sometimes it only takes one injection and you're a junkie for life or worse.
Edited by Psilosoulful (08/29/15 11:27 AM)
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Rewindicus]
#22160319 - 08/29/15 11:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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kick your friend square in teh nuts and go buy him a beer.
shits fucking straight retarded.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22160330 - 08/29/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Psilosoulful said: Not a good idea at all, sometimes it only takes one injection and you're a junkie for life or worse.
OP's friend sounds exactly like me. These guys are the type that do one shot and are obsessed forever.
OP punch your friend in the face and tell him to stop being a retard for wanting to ruin his life.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22160331 - 08/29/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Psilosoulful said: Not a good idea at all, sometimes it only takes one injection and you're a junkie for life or worse.
perhaps i am misinformed but don't most people who do heroin end up fine? the 10% that get addicted are messed for life
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: topdog82] 2
#22160333 - 08/29/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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topdog82 said: Most people who do heroin i assume only do it a few times
I find this to be extremely unlikely. It almost seems absurd. Heroin is one of those drugs most people try to avoid, because of it's track record of turning people into strung out junkies. People feel pleasure on that shit they never would have otherwise, it's why they turn to it.
Saying people tend to only try it a few times, is like saying people only tend to try sex a few times.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: topdog82]
#22160337 - 08/29/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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perhaps i am misinformed but don't most people who do heroin end up fine? the 10% that get addicted are messed for life
Nah, that's shroomery propoganda.
In circles, literally 90 percent of the people around me that tried meth once were hooked and fucked their lives. Out of all those including myself I am the only person who recovered.
Heroin a million times worse to try then alcohol contrary to what you are told here, especially IV. IV drugs ruin you in a matter of weeks or months. It is a quick downward spiral and in half a year your friend will be on the street.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: topdog82]
#22160360 - 08/29/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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topdog82 said: perhaps i am misinformed but don't most people who do heroin end up fine?
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22160365 - 08/29/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Psilosoulful said: Not a good idea at all, sometimes it only takes one injection and you're a junkie for life or worse.
OP's friend sounds exactly like me. These guys are the type that do one shot and are obsessed forever.
OP punch your friend in the face and tell him to stop being a retard for wanting to ruin his life.
BC; when you werent even addicted to meth and posting how much you enjoyed it, were you listening to the shroomerites who said "don't do it anymore"
Noone likes advice. it rarely works. Whenever someone gives me advice I almost just ignore it completely and think "who the fuck do you think you are?"
and regarding the 80-90% statistic, the link above demonstrates that about a minute in ^
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22160388 - 08/29/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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topdog82 said: perhaps i am misinformed but don't most people who do heroin end up fine?

watch the link i posted above
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: topdog82]
#22160395 - 08/29/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't buy it most people who do herion end up getting addicted to it IMO.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: topdog82]
#22160403 - 08/29/15 11:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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topdog82 said: perhaps i am misinformed but don't most people who do heroin end up fine?

watch the link i posted above
It's still cut with various other unknown substances/ fillers which makes injecting it into your bloodstream extremely dangerous and detrimental to your body. Now 100% pure heroin is a different story. Most of the shit on the streets is like 70-80% pure, if that much.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22160408 - 08/29/15 11:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: I don't buy it most people who do herion end up getting addicted to it IMO.
Statistical analysis > your opinion
And also, I think that the of having your life ruining completely over a high is just silly. The likelihood that your going to ruin your life completely simply isnt worth a temporary high
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22160419 - 08/29/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I tried heroin once years ago and haven't fucked with it at all since
Then again I sniffed it never shot it
I had/have a far worse problem with meth than I ever did with smack
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: topdog82]
#22160421 - 08/29/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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you are really starting to show your naivety man
i still feel the lasting effects from a major meth habbit over 15 years ago
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Rewindicus] 1
#22160434 - 08/29/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If he's dead set on trying it, try to convince him to use a different ROA. I still think it's a bad idea though. When I was younger I had an obsession with heroin. I wanted to try it so bad and romanticized it. The only reason I didn't do it is because I didn't have any connections. Then, I saw some of my friends get into it. I traveled to the city with them and witnessed how shady it was to score. Many of my friends got hooked. Almost all of them are in jail or dead now. Ultimately, I decided not to try it. I'm so glad that I made that decision. It is a dead end road.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22160438 - 08/29/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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topdog82 said: perhaps i am misinformed but don't most people who do heroin end up fine?

watch the link i posted above
It's still cut with various other unknown substances/ fillers which makes injecting it into your bloodstream extremely dangerous and detrimental to your body. Now 100% pure heroin is a different story. Most of the shit on the streets is like 70-80% pure, if that much.
thats a valid point. But sadly the OP can't convince his friend to do otherwise. His best bet is to sadly just cross his fingers that he doesnt get addicted. Or cut him off. I don't think anything the OP says to him will change his mind. Unless the person in question is your kids, wife or gf, advice rarely does anything
I am not saying i support heroin use, i am merely stating that things will most likely turn out fine. If they dont, OP will have to see what happens from there
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: rackem] 2
#22160442 - 08/29/15 11:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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as a former heroin addict these kind of posts really grind my gears. there's no way to effectively communicate to people how evil heroin can be. the name, the stigma surrounding it is very real. when you do heroin you get this feeling of wow this isn't bad like people make it out to be at all! it just feels nice. it's not overwhelming, its just nice. then before u know it your doing it again and again and again untill the negative side starts to show.
when u first started it was nice and fun. it made a bad situation good. your problems dissolved into a noddy euphoric blissful state. before you know it, youre hooked. well to be honest you were hooked the first time you tried it. you just didn't know it yet. it doesn't take long before that dreamy euphoria is gone. suddenly it dawns on you that you really need it just to feel normal. it becomes your medicine. what used to get you high costed $5-10 , now your spending literally 20-40 -60-80 100 just to maintain yourself and feel normal. it's a huge monkey on your back. you want to stop but every time you do you're overwhelmed with pain and agony. your body is slowly withering away and your emotions are completely fucked for days. youre shitting massive fecal impactions that built up from binging then it turns to lava squirts ALL DAY. you cold as fuck wearing a sweatshirt and sweatpants in the middle of summer curled up in a ball of pain while your mind races all the while knowing that the only thing that will make you feel better is more heroin. or you could wait it out for a week of agony. even then the cravings will come at you when you're triggered for months,years, some say your whole life and each time you're triggered there's a strong chance that you will fall back into this life destroying cycle.
DONT THINK FOR A GODDAMNED SECOND THAT ANY OF THIS WONT HAPPEN TO YOU.
Everybody thinks they're the exception. you're wrong just count your blessings and stay the fuck away from this drug and the people that are involved with it. that goes for all opiates. STAY AWAY FROM HEROIN AND OTHER OPIATES. THEY WILL SIGNIFICANTLY ALTER YOUR QUALITY OF LIFE. I CANT STRESS THIS ENOUGH
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#22160445 - 08/29/15 11:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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4HO-DMT said: Almost all of them are in jail or dead now.
No, only ten percent get addicted.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: topdog82]
#22160447 - 08/29/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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just because my car can do 140 does that mean its ok do that with traffic around? i did it once, everything was cool
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: rackem]
#22160448 - 08/29/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah meth abuse/addiction will really ravage your body and mind if you get carried away with it
Even now I have a hard time staying clean from it, I mean not when I'm not around it but when someone else has it I can't resist that's why I try to just stay away from that scene nowadays
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22160450 - 08/29/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Everything said is pointless. He obviously knows the risk and dangers, if that's not enough to stop him, nothing is.
This.
OP, there is nothing you can do short of physically restraining him from doing it if he's set his mind to it.
Hopefully H won't be his drug of choice and he ends up getting a nauseated hell ride he wants to get off from but can't. Because if he doesn't, it'll be the most blissful moment of his life and it'll take a long time to come back from that, if ever.
Your friend is a dumbass btw. If you're reading this, "friend" then at least snort it first before committing to banging it! You work in a methadone clinic and you still want to shoot? Yea? Have fun living in your shit covered cardboard box in 6 months. Idiot...
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: kr0nik0]
#22160455 - 08/29/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Put on some boxing gloves and just KO your friend and put him in his place. Heroin is serious business he is gonna be fucked if he tries it just watch.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: rackem]
#22160458 - 08/29/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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rackem said: you are really starting to show your naivety man
i still feel the lasting effects from a major meth habbit over 15 years ago
I haven't really made too many claims. I just stated a handful of indisputable facts that were made by a neuroscientist
I have never tried any of these drugs, and I don't think its worth the risk myself. But the idea that if you try heroin, meth, or crack ONCE your life is over it silliness. If OP's friend wants to do it, there is little one can do to counter this desire
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22160460 - 08/29/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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4HO-DMT said: Almost all of them are in jail or dead now.
No, only ten percent get addicted. 
Regardless of what you say, anecdotes say otherwise
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: topdog82]
#22160466 - 08/29/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah dude, meth took me to some pretty shitty places man.
of course that shit doesnt happen overnight.. you dont go from fully functioning person to someone who is robbing cheating and stealing, but its def a slippery slope once someone does start.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22160473 - 08/29/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was gonna say beat the shit out of him
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: topdog82]
#22160475 - 08/29/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Whatever man, IV heroin is serious fucking business. I bet most people who shoot up H end up addicted at some point.
IV heroin, coke and meth are not usually something you do once and say "oh that was nice". That never happens.
I was hooked before the needle was even taken out of my arm. I sprung from my seat and was on a three or four day bender the first time I did it.
Give him tough love OP. Call his dad and tell him to kick the shit out of his kid for even considering doing that.
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Edited by Bitter Cactus (08/29/15 12:02 PM)
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: topdog82]
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I don't think you understand the term indisputable.
The Sun is powered by fusion is an indisputable fact. Brain chemistry and addiction and everything pertaining to it, is still in dispute to this very day.
I'll be honest, I haven't read whatever you claim to be indisputable, but just reading between the lines, you've offered no indisputable fact.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: topdog82]
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I have snorted it. I am never putting a needle in of any street shit. It made me puke but after that it was nice. Not great but nice. I have also had real dose of morphine injected by med techs for a kidney stone. THAT was wonderful. Oh yeah. Let me say again, Oh yeah
I understand the appeal. I also think it is way too dangerous. There are a lot of other people here who will back that up
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: topdog82]
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4HO-DMT said: Almost all of them are in jail or dead now.
No, only ten percent get addicted. 
Regardless of what you say, anecdotes say otherwise
Dude, what I said is an anecdote. Sure it is qualitative. But, I bet that these anecdotes are a dime a dozen on the website. People do get addicted from their first time. That same neuroscientist is probably far removed from anybody that actually uses heroin.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: 4HO-DMT]
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Meth and heroin are not like alcohol. I have never heard of anyone having their first drink and being a full blown alcoholic right away. It is a slow process for most people that happens over the course of years.
IV meth and H, straight up, you are hooked the first time if you get a good rush. It's a done deal.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Shroomslip]
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Shroomslip said: I don't think you understand the term indisputable.
The Sun is powered by fusion is an indisputable fact. Brain chemistry and addiction and everything pertaining to it, is still in dispute to this very day.
I'll be honest, I haven't read whatever you claim to be indisputable, but just reading between the lines, you've offered no indisputable fact.
watch the vid I posted. All I am saying is that as demonstrted by the video, most people who do crack, heroin, and meth end up moving on with their lives. MOST as in 80-90% (this is a FACT. Not up for dispute or arguement)
That fact was all I stated. You are free to interpret that fact. I never said heroin was good and/or bad. All OP can tell his friend is the facts and hope he makes the wise decision. I have interpreted this fact and choose to abstain. the 10% that do get addicted have it horrible.
So like I said, getting your panties in a bunch because I state facts is silly. I have stated a fact. You are free to take that fact and make an informed decision. Say whatever you want, that fact will reign true forever
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: topdog82]
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I don't know what circles you are in topdog, but most of the people that shoot up or try one of those hard drugs does get hooked.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: 4HO-DMT]
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4HO-DMT said: Almost all of them are in jail or dead now.
No, only ten percent get addicted. 
Regardless of what you say, anecdotes say otherwise
Dude, what I said is an anecdote. Sure it is qualitative. But, I bet that these anecdotes are a dime a dozen on the website. People do get addicted from their first time. That same neuroscientist is probably far removed from anybody that actually uses heroin.
the neuroscientist grew up in an impoverished background and tried/was around many substances. He stands for decriminalization, proper rehab and treatment for drug use, and informed/educated use
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: topdog82]
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If you shoot up heroin or meth first time, I guarantee you are most likely hooked and addicted and doing it again and again.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Rewindicus]
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I ended up in hospital after trying fentynal
The problem with some opys like smack is the dose to get high isn't far off the dose to od or die
I ended up on my bathroom floor, nearly lost my arm then woke up in emergency with a respirator shoved down my throat and a cathater in my dick
If he wants that shit, enjoy :p meh, I'd like to help others but theres no helping for people like me, we just do it anyway... enjoy
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: topdog82]
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show me some facts from a credible source.
youtube is not a credible source.
then i will believe your facts that only ten percent get addicted.
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Meth and Heroin should never be compared. They are completely different animals, in fact polar opposites.
I'm not sure why you keep comparing the two outside of addiction potential.
I have experience with heroin, you with meth. Being hooked the first time banging meth may be true, although I find that doubtful but I can't counter because I've never done it.
Heroin on the other hand I can speak of, and no, it's not one time and you're addicted. Far from it.
The reason so many people see the needle as "one time and you're a junkie" is because people that use the needle for the first time are already addicts. People that have been using their drug of choice for a long time via a different ROA. The needle is just a bigger plunge into their addiction. Not an introduction to it.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: nice1returns]
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All it takes is one good rush for everything to permanently change.
Topdog maybe if you are a robot in a lab you will not get hooked, but real people in real life situations who try these drugs, especially if they are poor, usually spiral out of control in a matter of months and I have seen it with my eyes again and again. When the needle is involved, for a lot of people it is game over really quick.
And ya, my experience comes from meth. I banged it first time and one good rush from that is absolutely knock off your socks mind blowing. I think the meth rush is way more intense then a heroin rush btw but I have never done heroin.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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Bitter Cactus said: Whatever man, IV heroin is serious fucking business. I bet most people who shoot up H end up addicted at some point.
IV heroin, coke and meth are not usually something you do once and say "oh that was nice". That never happens.
Part of that is probably that people who don't have impulse control problems are unlikely to try these things in the first place. Many many people receive IV opiates in medical settings and don't become addicts.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: kr0nik0]
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Bitter Cactus said: I don't know what circles you are in topdog, but most of the people that shoot up or try one of those hard drugs does get hooked.
Most in my high school who are down the wrong path just drink too much, and pop wayyyyyy too much E. And there are quite a few of them. None who do the same with heroin
But the idea is the same. Doing MDMA didn't kill me. But (contrary to members on the shroomery) it gave me no spiritual experience. Got me high, and then I moved on with life. Makes me feel good, then shitty for a week. I feel the comedown and possible brain damage isn't worth it, so I would rather avoid it or do occasionally
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I'm not sure why you keep comparing the two outside of addiction potential.
I have experience with heroin, you with meth. Being hooked the first time banging meth may be true, although I find that doubtful but I can't counter because I've never done it.
Heroin on the other hand I can speak of, and no, it's not one time and you're addicted. Far from it.
The reason so many people see the needle as "one time and you're a junkie" is because people that use the needle for the first time are already addicts. People that have been using their drug of choice for a long time via a different ROA. The needle is just a bigger plunge into their addiction. Not an introduction to it.
This. doing one line of H isn't gonna ruin your life. Its just pointless and kind of a waste of time. Why risk your life for a high?
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I agree with bitter cactus that someone who uses IV coke meth or heroin is more likely then not going to develop a crippling struggle with addiction that will most likely derail a substantial part of their lives.
There is simply no reasoning other then abject denial that can tell you using IV hard drugs is anything but one of the most dangerous risky harmful and consequential choices anyone could ever make.
Even being willing to try it indicates you already have a personality that renders you more suceptible to addiction.
Once you have felt that rush the psychological temptation to experience it again will weigh on you for the rest Of your life like a force of gravity.
It must be advised against in the strongest possible terms and in all circumstances . At leas that way those who still choose to do it will have been thoroughly warned and will have no one to blame but themselves .
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Moonshoe]
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I would say once the needle get involved, probably ten percent of people don't end up addicted. I have never met someone do just one shot of heroin before.
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The statistic 90% get addicted after first use of meth and heroin gets thrown around a lot online.
It all depends on how you define things I think.
Dr. Carl Hart says the vast majority of drug users, even meth crack and heroin, never get addicted or develop problems.
That's hard for me to believe but he is a cool and credible person.
By the way BC I finally got to try an adderal and I love it . Would be so awesome to get a prescription but I don't see it happening . I can maybe get a benzo script but no way I can get a stim. It's way too obvious that I don't have any form of ADHD or ADD.
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I agree with that.
I remember a scene from that show Californication that relates to this topic well.
What was said was something along the lines of "No, I don't want to do heroin with you. People don't socially inject heroin, You fucking junkie!"
Anyways, when done for the first time via a different ROA, it's not a death sentence whereas with the needle it may be. That's what I was trying to explain in my previous post.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Moonshoe]
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ADD is probably the easiest condition to fake ever.
Oh and moon, holy fucking shit, the difference between ritalin and vyvyanse (i can never spell it) is fucking night and day.
Addy, dex, and vy, all have little to no side effects and a clear mental stimultation. Ritalin is like all the side effects and feeling cracked out with no net positives.
But if you have two brain cells you can get an ADD script. You get referred to an adult ADD doc, fill out the exam appropriately, then boom you are ADD nobody can dispute it. I do have real ADD though so I never had to lie.
Life with an amphetamine script is way better. Everybody is on something to keep them stimulated. Caffeine, nicotine, kratom, ect. Our society is designed for it to be necessary to be awake more and be focused all the time. Just like in sports, people use every advantage they can get to have a one up over their competition. If you are not taking advantage of it then you are behind the game.
ADD scripts are dope cause unlike being prescribed benzos, you never are physically addicted and you are mostly getting all the positives without any long term consequences.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: kr0nik0]
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who wants to shoot up for their first time using heroin? thats retarded. everyone ive seen who tried the needle did it out of desperation, because you get so much higher on a small dose compared to snorting or smoking it
i'm suprised your friend was able to became a nurse, because hes clearly a reckless dumbass
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Rewindicus]
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Rewindicus said: He's 23 has done a lot of E and a couple of the more popular psychs lile L and Mush. He tried meth a few times an didn't like it. I asked him why and his response is he just wants to see how it is. He's curious.
He knows all about the high addiction potential and how it can easily ruin your life. The real irony in all of this is he sees the effects of heroin use everyday since he's a nurse at a methadone clinic.
Anyone got advice for my bud? I'm gonna have him read this thread.....
Ok if anything try to tell him about Kratom let him try Kratom first jumping straight into heroin is a terrible Idea I think to get hooked on one of the strongest forms of opiate, im just saying if anything tell him to try Kratom or even codeine if he is really insistent upon using an opiate not to just free fall right into the deepest pits you know? It's really really hard to dissuade someone from doing what they want. Or even possibly a psychedelic experience perhaps like mescaline to try and open up opportunities to pursue what they want instead of just looking for an escape which is probably the case.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: qman]
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qman said: Maybe sniff it instead of shooting it
haha, that's laughable, exact way I got into dope. I got into it by snorting it, all that did is make me want to shoot it, and inject it I did, lost a decade of my life to that stuff.
I will not lie, heroin is the fucking tits, my favorite drug, it caresses you in its warm grip taking away all worries. A shot of heroin never made me feel high, it made me feel supreme, the ruler of my domain, like there was no wrong. Heroin is, and always will be, my favorite drug. I no longer use now though, took me about 5 years to get totally clean, I struggled for a while, used suboxone/methadone as a crutch to continue my use.
Tell your friend to proceed with caution. Heroin is a slippery slope. One often starts by enjoying the feeling, then researching how long then can use it everyday and not get addicted to it, then just not caring if they get some minor withdrawals, then just not caring about a damn thing and being a full blown junkie pawning shit for a fix.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Lucis]
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Tell you friend to try kratom lol he will get lots of good effects from it and won't fuck up his tolerance. If he is not happy with kratom then tell him to move along.
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Everyone I know that has tried heroin has been able to do it responsibly,except for one who still shoots up. I've done it a couple dozen times insufflated and haven't had any problems stopping. The high was ok but I much preferred oxycodone. It's weird that there are lots of junkies in my area but everyone I know personally have just dabbled in it.
I think addiction potential varies alot from person to person. Environment, income, past physical or mental abuse, genetics, how someone was raised, etc all seem to be big factors. Everyone I know who only did it a few times have grown up with a strong support system from their families and live comfortably middle class. The addicts I know seem to have had bad childhoods, grown up poor, past trauma, and things of that nature.
To say this or that percentage got addicted after one use or several seems extremely inaccurate. There's just way too many variables to get an accurate reading.
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DTCharlieB said: The addicts I know seem to have had bad childhoods, grown up poor, past trauma, and things of that nature.
To say this or that percentage got addicted after one use or several seems extremely inaccurate. There's just way too many variables to get an accurate reading.
I grew up poor, had a dad who was addicted to cocaine, and people that loved booze throughout my fam, so I think addiction is genetic for me.
But now that I think about it, 9/10 of the junkies I used to use with came from broken homes.
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DTCharlieB said: Everyone I know that has tried heroin has been able to do it responsibly,except for one who still shoots up. I've done it a couple dozen times insufflated and haven't had any problems stopping. The high was ok but I much preferred oxycodone. It's weird that there are lots of junkies in my area but everyone I know personally have just dabbled in it.
I think addiction potential varies alot from person to person. Environment, income, past physical or mental abuse, genetics, how someone was raised, etc all seem to be big factors. Everyone I know who only did it a few times have grown up with a strong support system from their families and live comfortably middle class. The addicts I know seem to have had bad childhoods, grown up poor, past trauma, and things of that nature.
To say this or that percentage got addicted after one use or several seems extremely inaccurate. There's just way too many variables to get an accurate reading.
This
Heroin is simply one chemical factor in an ocean of factors that create a living hell for addicts
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DTCharlieB said: Everyone I know that has tried heroin has been able to do it responsibly,except for one who still shoots up. I've done it a couple dozen times insufflated and haven't had any problems stopping. The high was ok but I much preferred oxycodone. It's weird that there are lots of junkies in my area but everyone I know personally have just dabbled in it.
I think addiction potential varies alot from person to person. Environment, income, past physical or mental abuse, genetics, how someone was raised, etc all seem to be big factors. Everyone I know who only did it a few times have grown up with a strong support system from their families and live comfortably middle class. The addicts I know seem to have had bad childhoods, grown up poor, past trauma, and things of that nature.
To say this or that percentage got addicted after one use or several seems extremely inaccurate. There's just way too many variables to get an accurate reading.
This is a great post and I agree with just about everything you said except that this is the norm:
"Everyone I know who only did it a few times have grown up with a strong support system from their families and live comfortably middle class."
I grew up comfortably in the middle class and started dabbling with painkillers in my teens. It took about 2 years of taking opioids sparingly before I became an addict. It was destined to be for me. I just like the feeling way too much and ended up throwing away 4 years of my life. Jobs, friends, girlfriends, and family were thrown on the back burner for that time, and what a sad time it was. Luckily after 8 years of staying away from that stuff now, I've gotten my life back to where I'm quite content.
Anyways, my point is that if you look at all states in the Northeast right now that have been for the past decade dealing with thousands upon thousands of new heroin addicts, it's always the same story. Caucasian teen to early 20's from a nice home with a loving family tragically starts injecting heroin. I hear this story over and over and over. Always the same. Once upon a time heroin was considered a poor man's drug. Mainly in the 70's and early 80's in NYC. Ever since the pill mill boom in the early 00's here in FL, the demographic of painkiller and eventually heroin abuse is composed of mainly white kids living comfortably.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Rewindicus]
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Rewindicus said: He's 23 has done a lot of E and a couple of the more popular psychs lile L and Mush. He tried meth a few times an didn't like it. I asked him why and his response is he just wants to see how it is. He's curious.
He knows all about the high addiction potential and how it can easily ruin your life. The real irony in all of this is he sees the effects of heroin use everyday since he's a nurse at a methadone clinic.
Anyone got advice for my bud? I'm gonna have him read this thread.....
Looks like you have one stupid friend my friend...
I haven't read the thread but I assume people are telling you to try and convince him otherwise or just stop being friends with him; which are two wonderful advice.
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Fuck Big Pharma we need to be able to Harvest our own Medicine evil selfish bastards
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Everyone bitching about big pharma can frankly suck a dick.
Big pharma makes some of the best drugs and you can do them legally with a prescription.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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The one factor that determines who will be addicted far more then any other is simply the decision fo try it for the first time.
No one who didn't ever try heroin ever became addicted to it.
Poor, rich or middle class, abused or happy home - If you never try it you won't ever get hooked .
Of course being abused etc will make you more likely to want to try it but it seems the majority of people try it simply from curiousity or a hedonistic desire for fun and pleasure.
And that simple foolish and short sighted choice is the single greatest risk factor for addiction by far.
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#22161297 - 08/29/15 03:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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read Junky by willam burroughs, you'll change your mind
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My graduating class was about 500 kids. In the past two or so years, we've lost about 30-40 classmates to this shit. Now when I see a news story of someone who died in NE Ohio of heroin, I have to check the class roster to see which one of us it was.
I agree with the poster who said to kick your friend in the nuts. If you want him to live, you'd kick him real hard.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#22161369 - 08/29/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Kick your friend really hard in the balls and squeeze his nipples really hard until he promises to never try heroin.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Rewindicus]
#22161537 - 08/29/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Your friend sounds like a smart brave man who doesnt afraid of anything.
Heroin is awesome. hes right to want to try it.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Rewindicus] 1
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I agree with the people who say that not every necessarily becomes an addict, it sounds more like your friend is romanticizing the whole addiction thing and probably being influenced by the people he is supposed to be caring for in his job, which is not a good position to be in.
Who knows though, some people are just curious. I can say that way before I ever tried heroin I was already convinced that opiates were the answer. The stigma is well deserved in that it is an uncontrolled street drug and that poses some significant risks from many angles, but opiates in of themselves aren't especially dangerous, it's more the escapist mentality that some people find opiates help foster for them.
If the dude is reliable and has his life together and is not depressed and using drugs to cope for some obvious inadequacy like social anxiety or stress, I'd say his chances are pretty good and if it were one of my friends and I thought I couldn't talk them out of it, I would give them as much advice as possible on using safely and what to expect in terms of effects both short and long term.
When people hear that it is like a slight twinge of pleasure emanating from your stomach, accompanied by nausea and headaches when you move around too much, unpleasant constipation, itching and being unable to keep your eyes open which might feel good at the time but despite that feeling of security you're looking like a slack-jawed simpleton from the outside, lots of times it loses it's appeal.
Junkies tend to overblow the positive aspects and diminish the negative ones to justify their use, but no matter how good the dope is and how long you wait in between shots, you're always going to feel let down in the end especially the more you do it, because there is no actual sense of accomplishment and our brains are only capable of making us feel so good before there is some rebound. There's no ultimate euphoria that will be so profound it changes your life, there is only a temporary sense of relief that if you're already happy will probably surprise you with how mundane it is given all the attention this drug receives.
IV heroin is probably the wrong way to go if he doesn't have a tolerance. Not only is it more dangerous it's just not that enjoyable given the high likelihood for unpleasant side effects. I swear the first time I took codeine orally the overall experience was more enjoyable than shooting half-gram bags of dope when I was already hooked.
It's one of those things that people just have wrong, that heroin is something that is always a pleasure. It often isn't just disappointing, it is downright unpleasant to those who aren't tolerant. You could up the dose in tiny increments, but that will defeat the purpose most people see in IVing as it will diminish the rush. Having no knowledge of your own tolerance and IVing an opiate is kinda dumb and risky.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#22161661 - 08/29/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fucking retard. What a fucking cock fucking sucker. Stupid fucking bitch.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#22161670 - 08/29/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: I agree with the people who say that not every necessarily becomes an addict, it sounds more like your friend is romanticizing the whole addiction thing and probably being influenced by the people he is supposed to be caring for in his job, which is not a good position to be in.
Who knows though, some people are just curious. I can say that way before I ever tried heroin I was already convinced that opiates were the answer. The stigma is well deserved in that it is an uncontrolled street drug and that poses some significant risks from many angles, but opiates in of themselves aren't especially dangerous, it's more the escapist mentality that some people find opiates help foster for them.
If the dude is reliable and has his life together and is not depressed and using drugs to cope for some obvious inadequacy like social anxiety or stress, I'd say his chances are pretty good and if it were one of my friends and I thought I couldn't talk them out of it, I would give them as much advice as possible on using safely and what to expect in terms of effects both short and long term.
When people hear that it is like a slight twinge of pleasure emanating from your stomach, accompanied by nausea and headaches when you move around too much, unpleasant constipation, itching and being unable to keep your eyes open which might feel good at the time but despite that feeling of security you're looking like a slack-jawed simpleton from the outside, lots of times it loses it's appeal.
Junkies tend to overblow the positive aspects and diminish the negative ones to justify their use, but no matter how good the dope is and how long you wait in between shots, you're always going to feel let down in the end especially the more you do it, because there is no actual sense of accomplishment and our brains are only capable of making us feel so good before there is some rebound. There's no ultimate euphoria that will be so profound it changes your life, there is only a temporary sense of relief that if you're already happy will probably surprise you with how mundane it is given all the attention this drug receives.
IV heroin is probably the wrong way to go if he doesn't have a tolerance. Not only is it more dangerous it's just not that enjoyable given the high likelihood for unpleasant side effects. I swear the first time I took codeine orally the overall experience was more enjoyable than shooting half-gram bags of dope when I was already hooked.
It's one of those things that people just have wrong, that heroin is something that is always a pleasure. It often isn't just disappointing, it is downright unpleasant to those who aren't tolerant. You could up the dose in tiny increments, but that will defeat the purpose most people see in IVing as it will diminish the rush. Having no knowledge of your own tolerance and IVing an opiate is kinda dumb and risky.
this captured every single thing i was trying to say but with added experience and anecdtes
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: topdog82]
#22161725 - 08/29/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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IV heroin isn't all it's hyped up to be IME.
Last time I shot heroin I was wishing I was on kratom instead, and this stuff was pure.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Hobozen]
#22162001 - 08/29/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I always hated the nob from opiates. Maybe that's why I preferred oxy to anything else because it gave a twinge of stimulation. The few times I took too much and started to nod I was always pissed and felt that I wasted it. I hear people saying they love nodding and I just don't get it. Maybe that was why I was always able to keep my doses moderately low and never really got deep into addiction. Seems like alot of people I know who liked the nod was trying to escape from something or forget something and they always seemed to get worse and worse.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: DTCharlieB]
#22162031 - 08/29/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I call all drugs that aren't psychedelics 'one dimensional'. I mean, some make great heroin art, but you are risking enslavement with things that give very little back, and are really the candyof drugs: unhealthy and briefly a decent time, maybe
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: DTCharlieB]
#22162034 - 08/29/15 06:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's kinda how I see it. I think depressed or dysfunctional types are most likely to get addicted. It's not that big a deal for an emotionally healthy person with good self control IMO. Honestly, I enjoy those oral morphine tabs from the hospital more than IV heroin. Unless it's some crazy heroin... but with most heroin, even the pure stuff, it's kind of an empty and depressing high for me. Kratom has much more a "full" euphoria.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Hobozen] 1
#22162042 - 08/29/15 06:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#22162055 - 08/29/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#22162786 - 08/29/15 10:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: Emotional health in America? Why not look for water in California, there is more of that
It's sad but true. I hate hearing people say shit like "I'm never going to try heroin because I know I'll get addicted", because it is basically acknowledging how fragile and insecure so many people are. Most every young person is scrambling for easy self-assurance, and having actual substance and things they can be proud of in their life are considered accessories which can be acquired somewhere down the road. The catch is that worthwhile things don't come easy, and opiates have a long history of making people think otherwise.
I get probably a better escape from my troubles now from exercising than I usually did from heroin. It's just having that thing to focus on, being able to shut down the more obnoxious parts of my brain, and being above people's shitty drama and expectations that bring me down. Heroin isn't really so much about the pleasure as it is that for me, so if you have something like that in life that helps you cope you pretty much know what it is all about without needing to try heroin.
I don't know if it is the same for everyone, but the warm feeling people describe is similar to the feeling I get taking a shot of liquor on an empty stomach. That kinda queasy, but enjoyable warm feeling. That is really it, not really much better than that IMO. For years I tried to get high like they do in movies, where you do the shot and then just lie back and sigh totally relaxed, but like I've said I always kinda had the feeling like "this is it?" still feeling slightly on edge and dissatisfied even when I was semi-conscious.
For a while I would tell myself that I didn't do enough, or it wasn't quality enough, or I didn't wait long enough between shots, but really I think it's just not that great unless falling asleep standing up and cracking your head on the ground is your idea of a good time.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22162910 - 08/29/15 10:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The thing about heroin, or actually any good opiate is that you never know until you have tried it if you are one of the unlucky ones whose chemistry is set in a way that makes all of life seem a bitch after trying it. Everything you do becomes unbearable unless you have that opiate in your system then everything is fun. Until one day you realize that all the fun is gone now all you do all day is live to get that feeling not enjoying the feeling while you live. Some people are just born like that but it’s no big deal until one day you try an opiate, heroine being the worst (but you think it’s the best) it taints life’s flavor after trying it FOREVER. No going back. If your friend wants to trade places with the clients she medicates every single damn day then go for it. There's always room for one more moron in the methadone line.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22162948 - 08/29/15 11:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22163040 - 08/29/15 11:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: I was like him once upon a time. Now on the flipside, if I could go back in time, I would probably knock out the person that shot me up the first time with IV meth.
Do not do it, you are pretty much ruining a life if you help him do this.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: TNK]
#22163533 - 08/30/15 06:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If I did heroin it would be to kill myself
I wouldn't even do it twice, I would buy enough to kill myself the first time and then do it withen the next century, decade, year, holiday vacation, commercial break.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Konyap] 1
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: psi]
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Konyap]
#22164220 - 08/30/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I didn't read the whole thread but I would rather try smoking h than shooting it up if it was my first go.
With that said, I love opiates but have never touched heroin for that reason. I would have a hard time letting go.
Shooting up dope is a terrible idea.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Detached]
#22164357 - 08/30/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am saving opiates for when I am old sick or dying. Once my body starts breaking down and I am in Pain etc I will enjoy the hell out of opium, poppy pods,poppy seeds, Pharmaceutical opiates and heroin.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: psi]
#22164911 - 08/30/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: Whatever man, IV heroin is serious fucking business. I bet most people who shoot up H end up addicted at some point.
IV heroin, coke and meth are not usually something you do once and say "oh that was nice". That never happens.
Part of that is probably that people who don't have impulse control problems are unlikely to try these things in the first place. Many many people receive IV opiates in medical settings and don't become addicts.
Late, but that's because the majority of IV'd opiates in medical settings aren't enough to reach the bliss Heroin provides it's users. One of (if not THE) most common one used is morphine. I've talked to several people who had surgeries who were not opiate users, and felt pretty much nothing on it. I felt nothing on it and I was getting the "max dose" as often as was possible. However few years later I got my hands on 2 Oxycontins and damn if I wasn't high as hell. If I had any idea how to get my hands on them still, I would be.
If the hospitals were shooting people up with recreational doses of heroin for pain, we'd probably see a lot more addicts being formed from medical treatment than you do with morphine.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22165102 - 08/30/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Trust me, heroin users do not achieve bliss. It's a temporary sense of relief, which when you're feeling like death can seem like bliss. The reason some people don't report that opiates made them feel amazing is that they're not as great as some people make them out to be. It's one of those things where you kinda have to tell yourself it is amazing in order for it to be amazing.
I think if you shot up 10 people who never took an opiate before with heroin that they did not know was heroin, they would not report that they felt intense bliss. Some kid who hears that heroin is the end-all be-all of drugs, and is looking for such a thing, will do heroin and experience the objective effects as well as placebo effects on top of that.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#22165116 - 08/30/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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it's just a sedative high without dizzying alcohol effects most likely lol
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#22165119 - 08/30/15 02:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Heroin is like any drug, some people love them some people don't. Opiates make me feel great, just not the weak ones like Morphine or Vicodin. Oxys were like being wrapped in a blanket of comfort and awesome.. A wool blanket though.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22165121 - 08/30/15 02:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hard to say with these hypotheticals I guess, but I think a lot of people have had enough of a taste of opiates/opioids to know that they enjoy them, but still have the presence of mind not to pursue them for recreation because they're aware of the risks.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22165159 - 08/30/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Heroin is like any drug, some people love them some people don't. Opiates make me feel great, just not the weak ones like Morphine or Vicodin. Oxys were like being wrapped in a blanket of comfort and awesome.. A wool blanket though.
Heroin and morphine are essentially interchangeable. Heroin can be used at a lower dose to achieve the same effect in the short term. Personally I preferred morphine I just needed a larger dose to get high. I loved the pins and needles feeling, which lots of people find excruciating, but other than that they are both morphine and as far as I know have the same profile of effects aside from differences in speed of onset and halflife. Lots of tar heroin, or anything that has sat around to long will contain morphine.
Oxycodone is known to have a more selective action from my understanding in what receptors it hits. It was originally billed as having less side effects as well as being less addictive, but it's very similar. Like if you took a percocet you might think it is weak, but 2 oxycontins would be at least 40mg oxycodone which is a pretty hefty dose for someone without a tolerance.
They don't use opiates to get people high in hospitals, they use them to treat pain. Those sorts of doses pose unnecessary risks and they're not necessary to effectively treat pain. The goal is not to eliminate pain entirely, it is to manage it.
Trying to conflate your understanding of what opiates got you high and how effective different opiates are has kinda lead you to have some misconceptions I think. You'll figure it out after you waste a dozen years of your life thinking that chasing that high is worth what it will bring you in the end It doesn't get better than what you've already experienced. Stronger opiate =/= better feeling for unaddicted people, it is only like that for addicts.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#22165379 - 08/30/15 04:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey guys been off the site a couple days. Crazy amount of responses! Some very strong opinions too. I think I should at least try to dissuade him but I realize it probably won't do anything. I COULD threaten him by telling his folks or gf. But that's not something I'm interested in doing and likely wouldn't work anyways.
To give you a bit more background I met him a few years ago. He had just gotten into electronic music and was curious about E. I told him ahead of time about safety and risks - not to do more than once a week (better even to wait two weeks!) Proper hydration, eating, bad mixtures, tolerances, ect.
He didn't listen to any of it. Rolled haaard multiple times a week. Within the first couple months he was plugging pills on a weeknight just trying to get high. And even when his tolerance was through the roof he was still rolling taking more and more to feel something and even then it wasn't even enjoyable to him.
Over the past few years he's changed. He's OBSESSED with his phone his attention is always on it and he doesn't smile and laugh much. He's real apathetic about like everything.
Based on my own experience I think he's pretty prone to addictive behaviors and I think he fried his brain from too much E.
I think this whole idea is bad bad bad. But its his choice ultimately.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#22165477 - 08/30/15 04:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: Trust me, heroin users do not achieve bliss. It's a temporary sense of relief, which when you're feeling like death can seem like bliss. The reason some people don't report that opiates made them feel amazing is that they're not as great as some people make them out to be. It's one of those things where you kinda have to tell yourself it is amazing in order for it to be amazing.
I think if you shot up 10 people who never took an opiate before with heroin that they did not know was heroin, they would not report that they felt intense bliss. Some kid who hears that heroin is the end-all be-all of drugs, and is looking for such a thing, will do heroin and experience the objective effects as well as placebo effects on top of that.
So many people thinking heroin is shit lel. Because they buy garbage tar or %5 powder. Obvs going to be shit. You get the GOOD STUFF and thats when you get the bliss. I literally get an endorphin rush when I listen to "perfect day" because it has such a strong association with heroin. Now some people may not like heroin or downers. But its still opioids and if you take enough you WILL feel a warm fuzzy all encompassing bliss.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Rewindicus]
#22165490 - 08/30/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rewindicus said: Hey guys been off the site a couple days. Crazy amount of responses! Some very strong opinions too. I think I should at least try to dissuade him but I realize it probably won't do anything. I COULD threaten him by telling his folks or gf. But that's not something I'm interested in doing and likely wouldn't work anyways.
To give you a bit more background I met him a few years ago. He had just gotten into electronic music and was curious about E. I told him ahead of time about safety and risks - not to do more than once a week (better even to wait two weeks!) Proper hydration, eating, bad mixtures, tolerances, ect.
He didn't listen to any of it. Rolled haaard multiple times a week. Within the first couple months he was plugging pills on a weeknight just trying to get high. And even when his tolerance was through the roof he was still rolling taking more and more to feel something and even then it wasn't even enjoyable to him.
Over the past few years he's changed. He's OBSESSED with his phone his attention is always on it and he doesn't smile and laugh much. He's real apathetic about like everything.
Based on my own experience I think he's pretty prone to addictive behaviors and I think he fried his brain from too much E.
I think this whole idea is bad bad bad. But its his choice ultimately.
I would say bring it up 1-3 times but no more than that.
I found the best way to give advice is "Hey buddy...(insert positive compliment here)"
Then begin explaining the issue in an objective manner
Sadly he mst likely wont listen so thats really that
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Rewindicus]
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kakashi68 said: ... So many people thinking heroin is shit lel. Because they buy garbage tar or %5 powder. Obvs going to be shit. You get the GOOD STUFF and thats when you get the bliss. I literally get an endorphin rush when I listen to "perfect day" because it has such a strong association with heroin. Now some people may not like heroin or downers. But its still opioids and if you take enough you WILL feel a warm fuzzy all encompassing bliss.
How would you know what I get?
It totally doesn't sound like your romanticizing the drug at all I'll trust your judgement in that listening to Lou Reed is similar to doing heroin. I'm just saying that people ideas and preconceptions about heroin do make a difference in the experience they have, and people who have an attitude that disregards the potential consequences for momentary relief are oftentimes shortsighted and prone to being overly dramatic when it comes to the supposed greatest feeling ever. If that is the best thing you can imagine, I feel bad for you. Things can only get worse, and hopefully you learn to cope without downers before they ruin your body and life.
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Rewindicus said: ... I think this whole idea is bad bad bad. But its his choice ultimately.
Your post certainly isn't reassuring. I think he should have access to enough harm reduction information working at a methadone clinic. Some people just get it in their head that disregarding their own long-term well-being is a sacrifice they're willing to make for heroin, because it's supposedly that good. I don't think there's any point in investing alot of energy to talk them out of it, they'll just end up resenting you, and it can create an unhealthy co-dependent relationship.
I always kinda compared it to the feeling you get when you wake up early with things to do, and getting in bed just feels so good. Then you wake up later that day and feel like shit because you missed out. For some people it's worth it, they'll fuck up a good job just because that bed feels so good, but the longer you lay there the worse it feels. That isn't what life is about, and only someone immature with no vision or integrity would think that sleeping in is a valid excuse to miss out on something you otherwise feel is important.
If you're a weak-willed person who has a hard time prioritizing things for yourself, heroin will fuck with your life. If you're not, you'll most likely find that it's not all it's cracked up to be.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: moonrockmushy]
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I dont think its realistic to imagine that heroin and other opiates are based even moderately on any kind of placebo effect. They quite obviously have the reputation of providing a transcendent rush of relaxation, euphoria, and bliss, transcending the potential of many/most other drugs, precisely because they do indeed provide that for a substantial majority of users and possibly every user at adequate doses.
To me denying the "amazingness" of a good opiate rush is a bit like holocaust denial in the sense of being totally unbelievable to most based on the amazing preponderance of anecdotal and experiential/factual/medical evidence.
If you say "its really just a meh sedating feeling" I would assume that would refer to a lower dose or lower quality, and suspect that if you took a high enough dose of opium, heroin, oxycontin etc you would be drooling with obscene pleasure like everyone else.
That said I have never done any opiates except kratom, and kratom has given me some of the greatest euphoria of my life that is no means "meh" , and opiates other then kratom would obviously be stronger.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Moonshoe]
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Moonshoe said: I dont think its realistic to imagine that heroin and other opiates are based even moderately on any kind of placebo effect. They quite obviously have the reputation of providing a transcendent rush of relaxation, euphoria, and bliss, transcending the potential of many/most other drugs, precisely because they do indeed provide that for a substantial majority of users and possibly every user at adequate doses.
To me denying the "amazingness" of a good opiate rush is a bit like holocaust denial in the sense of being totally unbelievable to most based on the amazing preponderance of anecdotal and experiential/factual/medical evidence.
If you say "its really just a meh sedating feeling" I would assume that would refer to a lower dose or lower quality, and suspect that if you took a high enough dose of opium, heroin, oxycontin etc you would be drooling with obscene pleasure like everyone else.
That said I have never done any opiates except kratom, and kratom has given me some of the greatest euphoria of my life that is no means "meh" , and opiates other then kratom would obviously be stronger.
I think if you talked to someone who is being treated with opiates for chronic pain, you would find that they perceive it completely differently than people who use it to get high. I know there are some objective effects to opiates, but I also know that there is some level of placebo on top of that for many, and people who expect it to be the best feeling ever often end up chasing something that isn't even really that great. I did it myself is the main thing I'm basing this on.
You guys clearly haven't taken high-dose opiates for extended periods if you think they're always fun. They're definitely not. You can only get so far with them, and then they are not only "meh", they become an unpleasant burden even when you're high. I think "euphoria and bliss" does not accurately describe the high. Like I said I associate it with a sense of relief and comfort, but in terms of intensity once you're taking enough for that intense feeling that people expect, you're in the realm of high risk of addiction, death, and unpleasant side effects. That's just the truth.
The rush is overrated in my opinion. It's not something you can really depend on every time, even if the quality is consistent, and chasing that is one of the biggest reasons why people have an issue with tolerance skyrocketing, as well as overdoses. It's just not a life-changing experience, at least not in any positive sense. It's not worth it on any level, and the idea that stronger opiates = better is a huge and dangerous misconception.
It's just a sensation with no greater significance or meaning in terms of your life, and if you look at it as such it kinda loses it's magic. Some people need it to be more, because their own personal lives are lacking in things they find rewarding, but that is how addicts are made.
It's not just the quality that is an issue, there are a complex set of circumstances that lead to how euphoric an opiate is, and it can be really hard to predict how good it will feel at a given time. If you abuse it, it will let you down when you need it. I am totally convinced that in addition to people who inadvertently get addicted not being aware of the danger, there are people who sell themselves the experience and pursue opiates because they have been lead to believe that they offer a solution to whatever issues they have. In the case of severe chronic pain this is understandable, but for a socially awkward young person seeking relief from stress, it's just foolish.
It fulfills the romantic and melodramatic fantasies of alot of immature and frustrated people, my adolescent self included. Nobody using wants to admit that though, because it feels alot less cool and romantic to be aware of that. I believe if it were made legal/regulated, and doled out by doctors in a controlled way for maintenance as it should be, young people would be much less inclined to get into heroin.
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Im not saying its always perfect all the time, nor do i deny that tolerance and the harms and costs of addiction rapidly outweigh any benefits, just that the romanticized extreme of transcendent euphoria and relaxation does indeed occur and is reliably available to almost everyone at least a few times. It wont happen every time and it will stop happening at all, and opiate addiction is generally a living hell. But that rush is real, just not reliable and may only occur the first few times.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Moonshoe]
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I've done it twice now...never could find a better show....sigh
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Rewindicus]
#22168417 - 08/31/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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say goodbye to your friend.
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#22168438 - 08/31/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Breaking Bad hell yeahh!!
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@Ranout, do you think someone else would not get as far as just trying it twice? I've heard and seen its really addictive, but knowing my addictive personality never thought about doing it.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: abductee]
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Withdrawl looks like a bitch, I get antsy when I dont have smokes.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: moonrockmushy]
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Watch (Heroin testimony like 3 minutes):
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I'd try it once and only once. I don't get addicted to things
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
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Really? You have no addictions?
Skeptical but willing to believe, but suspect you may have a few you are not fully recognizing. Do you eat candy, sugar, pop? Drink beer or wine regularly? Smoke? Smoke weed daily? Ever tried to quit meat for six months? Or dairy? Or sugar? Or carbs?
Ever go without TV, internet, cell phone or sex for six months?
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Moonshoe]
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I honestly have no addictions right now.
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Bullshit you are dependent on ADHD meds
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Not really. I have skipped days using them and am fine. It's not like a physical addiction like with kratom or anything.
Also, using your prescription medically is not really an addiction to me.
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#22168571 - 08/31/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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i was addicted to sex.. but now not so much.. I like growing.
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I find the difference between being 20 and 18 is actually my impulse control is way better.
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i'm turing 38.. it comes in waves those impulses.lol
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You obviously don't have a valid definition of addiction if you think being prescribed the drug or not makes any difference.
If you need stimulants to function properly (and you do) you are addicted.
If you take benzos or pharmaceutical opiates daily medically you are still very much addicted.
Even someone on a daily antidepressant is an addict.
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Moonshoe said: Really? You have no addictions?
Skeptical but willing to believe, but suspect you may have a few you are not fully recognizing. Do you eat candy, sugar, pop? Drink beer or wine regularly? Smoke? Smoke weed daily? Ever tried to quit meat for six months? Or dairy? Or sugar? Or carbs?
Ever go without TV, internet, cell phone or sex for six months?
I basically eat nothing but tubers like sweet potatoes, organs like liver, and cooked green veggies. I basically stopped eating fruit as well
No sugar intake besides maybe a banana post workout. I dont drink alcohol, or smoke weed daily. I smoke maybe once a week maybe twice. I was vegatarian most my life, I am currently more high-starch paleo atm. No dairy at all. I do eat carbs but that isn't really an addiction?
I dont watch TV, and I have no regular sex because I am single. I rarely use my phone
So the two things I have left are green tea in the morning, porn, and the shroomery
But moonshoe; it is completely possible to not be addicted to anything. One has to bubble oneself to do this though
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Moonshoe said: Im not saying its always perfect all the time, nor do i deny that tolerance and the harms and costs of addiction rapidly outweigh any benefits, just that the romanticized extreme of transcendent euphoria and relaxation does indeed occur and is reliably available to almost everyone at least a few times. It wont happen every time and it will stop happening at all, and opiate addiction is generally a living hell. But that rush is real, just not reliable and may only occur the first few times.
I genuinely don't think it's that great, but then again I have alot less problems with opiates than most other people who I got into it with, though I did and still do suffer greatly because of it. The problem is the more you like it, the more it becomes a problem, and when people have it in their head that it makes them cool like their role models who do heroin, or it will make them a more complete person somehow, it adds a whole 'nother level of problems.
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topdog82 said: ... I dont watch TV, and I have no regular sex because I am single. I rarely use my phone
So the two things I have left are green tea in the morning, porn, and the shroomery
But moonshoe; it is completely possible to not be addicted to anything. One has to bubble oneself to do this though
I don't see why so many people here are convinced they are above addiction having or not having addictions doesn't really make you a good or bad person. Everyone develops unhealthy habits at some point in their life, and to try and deny that is really only possible when you pick and choose what is and isn't an addiction, which is pointless really and in my opinion setting yourself up for trouble.
Sitting around jerking off and posting on the shroomery all day isn't exactly healthy habits
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Moonshoe said: Im not saying its always perfect all the time, nor do i deny that tolerance and the harms and costs of addiction rapidly outweigh any benefits, just that the romanticized extreme of transcendent euphoria and relaxation does indeed occur and is reliably available to almost everyone at least a few times. It wont happen every time and it will stop happening at all, and opiate addiction is generally a living hell. But that rush is real, just not reliable and may only occur the first few times.
I genuinely don't think it's that great, but then again I have alot less problems with opiates than most other people who I got into it with, though I did and still do suffer greatly because of it. The problem is the more you like it, the more it becomes a problem, and when people have it in their head that it makes them cool like their role models who do heroin, or it will make them a more complete person somehow, it adds a whole 'nother level of problems.
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topdog82 said: ... I dont watch TV, and I have no regular sex because I am single. I rarely use my phone
So the two things I have left are green tea in the morning, porn, and the shroomery
But moonshoe; it is completely possible to not be addicted to anything. One has to bubble oneself to do this though
I don't see why so many people here are convinced they are above addiction having or not having addictions doesn't really make you a good or bad person. Everyone develops unhealthy habits at some point in their life, and to try and deny that is really only possible when you pick and choose what is and isn't an addiction, which is pointless really and in my opinion setting yourself up for trouble.
Sitting around jerking off and posting on the shroomery all day isn't exactly healthy habits 
I know. I just feel that mmoonshoe was implying it to be impossible. I was stating most of his preconcieved notions are wrong. One can not be addicted to much at all
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