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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: kr0nik0] * 1
    #22161165 - 08/29/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Fuck Big Pharma we need to be able to Harvest our own Medicine evil selfish bastards


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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: BoomerMan420] * 1
    #22161170 - 08/29/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Everyone bitching about big pharma can frankly suck a dick.

Big pharma makes some of the best drugs and you can do them legally with a prescription.


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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22161271 - 08/29/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The one factor that determines who will be addicted far more then any other is simply the decision fo try it for the first time.

No one who didn't ever try heroin ever became addicted to it.

Poor, rich or middle class, abused or happy home - If you never try it you won't ever get hooked .

Of course being abused etc will make you more likely to want to try it but it seems the majority of people try it simply from curiousity or a hedonistic desire for fun and pleasure.

And that simple foolish and short sighted choice is the single greatest risk factor for addiction by far.


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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22161297 - 08/29/15 03:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

read Junky by willam burroughs, you'll change your mind :thumbup:


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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Vsnares.Zappa]
    #22161304 - 08/29/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Good book :thumbup:


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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Rewindicus]
    #22161357 - 08/29/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

My graduating class was about 500 kids.  In the past two or so years, we've lost about 30-40 classmates to this shit.  Now when I see a news story of someone who died in NE Ohio of heroin, I have to check the class roster to see which one of us it was.

I agree with the poster who said to kick your friend in the nuts.  If you want him to live, you'd kick him real hard.


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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Moonshoe]
    #22161359 - 08/29/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Good book :thumbup:



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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #22161369 - 08/29/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Kick your friend really hard in the balls and squeeze his nipples really hard until he promises to never try heroin.


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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Rewindicus]
    #22161537 - 08/29/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Your friend sounds like a smart brave man who doesnt afraid of anything.

Heroin is awesome. hes right to want to try it.


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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Rewindicus] * 1
    #22161650 - 08/29/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I agree with the people who say that not every necessarily becomes an addict, it sounds more like your friend is romanticizing the whole addiction thing and probably being influenced by the people he is supposed to be caring for in his job, which is not a good position to be in.

Who knows though, some people are just curious.  I can say that way before I ever tried heroin I was already convinced that opiates were the answer.  The stigma is well deserved in that it is an uncontrolled street drug and that poses some significant risks from many angles, but opiates in of themselves aren't especially dangerous, it's more the escapist mentality that some people find opiates help foster for them. 

If the dude is reliable and has his life together and is not depressed and using drugs to cope for some obvious inadequacy like social anxiety or stress, I'd say his chances are pretty good and if it were one of my friends and I thought I couldn't talk them out of it, I would give them as much advice as possible on using safely and what to expect in terms of effects both short and long term.

When people hear that it is like a slight twinge of pleasure emanating from your stomach, accompanied by nausea and headaches when you move around too much, unpleasant constipation, itching and being unable to keep your eyes open which might feel good at the time but despite that feeling of security you're looking like a slack-jawed simpleton from the outside, lots of times it loses it's appeal. 

Junkies tend to overblow the positive aspects and diminish the negative ones to justify their use, but no matter how good the dope is and how long you wait in between shots, you're always going to feel let down in the end especially the more you do it, because there is no actual sense of accomplishment and our brains are only capable of making us feel so good before there is some rebound.  There's no ultimate euphoria that will be so profound it changes your life, there is only a temporary sense of relief that if you're already happy will probably surprise you with how mundane it is given all the attention this drug receives.

IV heroin is probably the wrong way to go if he doesn't have a tolerance.  Not only is it more dangerous it's just not that enjoyable given the high likelihood for unpleasant side effects.  I swear the first time I took codeine orally the overall experience was more enjoyable than shooting half-gram bags of dope when I was already hooked. 

It's one of those things that people just have wrong, that heroin is something that is always a pleasure.  It often isn't just disappointing, it is downright unpleasant to those who aren't tolerant.  You could up the dose in tiny increments, but that will defeat the purpose most people see in IVing as it will diminish the rush.  Having no knowledge of your own tolerance and IVing an opiate is kinda dumb and risky.


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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22161661 - 08/29/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Fucking retard. What a fucking cock fucking sucker. Stupid fucking bitch. :thatsaten:


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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22161670 - 08/29/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I agree with the people who say that not every necessarily becomes an addict, it sounds more like your friend is romanticizing the whole addiction thing and probably being influenced by the people he is supposed to be caring for in his job, which is not a good position to be in.

Who knows though, some people are just curious.  I can say that way before I ever tried heroin I was already convinced that opiates were the answer.  The stigma is well deserved in that it is an uncontrolled street drug and that poses some significant risks from many angles, but opiates in of themselves aren't especially dangerous, it's more the escapist mentality that some people find opiates help foster for them. 

If the dude is reliable and has his life together and is not depressed and using drugs to cope for some obvious inadequacy like social anxiety or stress, I'd say his chances are pretty good and if it were one of my friends and I thought I couldn't talk them out of it, I would give them as much advice as possible on using safely and what to expect in terms of effects both short and long term.

When people hear that it is like a slight twinge of pleasure emanating from your stomach, accompanied by nausea and headaches when you move around too much, unpleasant constipation, itching and being unable to keep your eyes open which might feel good at the time but despite that feeling of security you're looking like a slack-jawed simpleton from the outside, lots of times it loses it's appeal. 

Junkies tend to overblow the positive aspects and diminish the negative ones to justify their use, but no matter how good the dope is and how long you wait in between shots, you're always going to feel let down in the end especially the more you do it, because there is no actual sense of accomplishment and our brains are only capable of making us feel so good before there is some rebound.  There's no ultimate euphoria that will be so profound it changes your life, there is only a temporary sense of relief that if you're already happy will probably surprise you with how mundane it is given all the attention this drug receives.

IV heroin is probably the wrong way to go if he doesn't have a tolerance.  Not only is it more dangerous it's just not that enjoyable given the high likelihood for unpleasant side effects.  I swear the first time I took codeine orally the overall experience was more enjoyable than shooting half-gram bags of dope when I was already hooked. 

It's one of those things that people just have wrong, that heroin is something that is always a pleasure.  It often isn't just disappointing, it is downright unpleasant to those who aren't tolerant.  You could up the dose in tiny increments, but that will defeat the purpose most people see in IVing as it will diminish the rush.  Having no knowledge of your own tolerance and IVing an opiate is kinda dumb and risky.



this captured every single thing i was trying to say but with added experience and anecdtes


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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: topdog82]
    #22161725 - 08/29/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

IV heroin isn't all it's hyped up to be IME. 

Last time I shot heroin I was wishing I was on kratom instead, and this stuff was pure.


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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Hobozen]
    #22162001 - 08/29/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I always hated the nob from opiates.  Maybe that's why I preferred oxy to anything else because it gave a twinge of stimulation. The few times I took too much and started to nod I was always pissed and felt that I wasted it.  I hear people saying they love nodding and I just don't get it.  Maybe that was why I was always able to keep my doses moderately low and never really got deep into addiction.  Seems like alot of people I know who liked the nod was trying to escape from something or forget something and they always seemed to get worse and worse.


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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: DTCharlieB]
    #22162031 - 08/29/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I call all drugs that aren't psychedelics 'one dimensional'. I mean, some make great heroin art, but you are risking enslavement with things that give very little back, and are really the candyof drugs: unhealthy and briefly a decent time, maybe


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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: DTCharlieB]
    #22162034 - 08/29/15 06:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That's kinda how I see it.  I think depressed or dysfunctional types are most likely to get addicted.  It's not that big a deal for an emotionally healthy person with good self control IMO.  Honestly, I enjoy those oral morphine tabs from the hospital more than IV heroin.  Unless it's some crazy heroin... but with most heroin, even the pure stuff, it's kind of an empty and depressing high for me.  Kratom has much more a "full" euphoria.


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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Hobozen] * 1
    #22162042 - 08/29/15 06:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Emotional health in America? Why not look for water in California, there is  more of that


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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22162055 - 08/29/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:lolsy:


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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22162786 - 08/29/15 10:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Emotional health in America? Why not look for water in California, there is  more of that




:lol: It's sad but true.  I hate hearing people say shit like "I'm never going to try heroin because I know I'll get addicted", because it is basically acknowledging how fragile and insecure so many people are.  Most every young person is scrambling for easy self-assurance, and having actual substance and things they can be proud of in their life are considered accessories which can be acquired somewhere down the road.  The catch is that worthwhile things don't come easy, and opiates have a long history of making people think otherwise.

I get probably a better escape from my troubles now from exercising than I usually did from heroin.  It's just having that thing to focus on, being able to shut down the more obnoxious parts of my brain, and being above people's shitty drama and expectations that bring me down.  Heroin isn't really so much about the pleasure as it is that for me, so if you have something like that in life that helps you cope you pretty much know what it is all about without needing to try heroin.

I don't know if it is the same for everyone, but the warm feeling people describe is similar to the feeling I get taking a shot of liquor on an empty stomach.  That kinda queasy, but enjoyable warm feeling.  That is really it, not really much better than that IMO.  For years I tried to get high like they do in movies, where you do the shot and then just lie back and sigh totally relaxed, but like I've said I always kinda had the feeling like "this is it?" still feeling slightly on edge and dissatisfied even when I was semi-conscious. 

For a while I would tell myself that I didn't do enough, or it wasn't quality enough, or I didn't wait long enough between shots, but really I think it's just not that great unless falling asleep standing up and cracking your head on the ground is your idea of a good time.


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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22162910 - 08/29/15 10:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The thing about heroin, or actually any good opiate is that you never know until you have tried it if you are one of the unlucky ones whose chemistry is set in a way that makes all of life seem a bitch after trying it. Everything you do becomes unbearable unless you have that opiate in your system then everything is fun. Until one day you realize that all the fun is gone now all you do all day is live to get that feeling not enjoying the feeling while you live. Some people are just born like that but it’s no big deal until one day you try an opiate, heroine being the worst (but you think it’s the best) it taints life’s flavor after trying it FOREVER. No going back. If your friend wants to trade places with the clients she medicates every single damn day then go for it. There's always room for one more moron in the methadone line.:syringe:


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