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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Rewindicus]
#22160519 - 08/29/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I ended up in hospital after trying fentynal
The problem with some opys like smack is the dose to get high isn't far off the dose to od or die
I ended up on my bathroom floor, nearly lost my arm then woke up in emergency with a respirator shoved down my throat and a cathater in my dick
If he wants that shit, enjoy :p meh, I'd like to help others but theres no helping for people like me, we just do it anyway... enjoy
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: topdog82]
#22160520 - 08/29/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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show me some facts from a credible source.
youtube is not a credible source.
then i will believe your facts that only ten percent get addicted.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Bitter Cactus] 2
#22160523 - 08/29/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Meth and Heroin should never be compared. They are completely different animals, in fact polar opposites.
I'm not sure why you keep comparing the two outside of addiction potential.
I have experience with heroin, you with meth. Being hooked the first time banging meth may be true, although I find that doubtful but I can't counter because I've never done it.
Heroin on the other hand I can speak of, and no, it's not one time and you're addicted. Far from it.
The reason so many people see the needle as "one time and you're a junkie" is because people that use the needle for the first time are already addicts. People that have been using their drug of choice for a long time via a different ROA. The needle is just a bigger plunge into their addiction. Not an introduction to it.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: nice1returns]
#22160527 - 08/29/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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All it takes is one good rush for everything to permanently change.
Topdog maybe if you are a robot in a lab you will not get hooked, but real people in real life situations who try these drugs, especially if they are poor, usually spiral out of control in a matter of months and I have seen it with my eyes again and again. When the needle is involved, for a lot of people it is game over really quick.
And ya, my experience comes from meth. I banged it first time and one good rush from that is absolutely knock off your socks mind blowing. I think the meth rush is way more intense then a heroin rush btw but I have never done heroin.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22160531 - 08/29/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: Whatever man, IV heroin is serious fucking business. I bet most people who shoot up H end up addicted at some point.
IV heroin, coke and meth are not usually something you do once and say "oh that was nice". That never happens.
Part of that is probably that people who don't have impulse control problems are unlikely to try these things in the first place. Many many people receive IV opiates in medical settings and don't become addicts.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: kr0nik0]
#22160556 - 08/29/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: I don't know what circles you are in topdog, but most of the people that shoot up or try one of those hard drugs does get hooked.
Most in my high school who are down the wrong path just drink too much, and pop wayyyyyy too much E. And there are quite a few of them. None who do the same with heroin
But the idea is the same. Doing MDMA didn't kill me. But (contrary to members on the shroomery) it gave me no spiritual experience. Got me high, and then I moved on with life. Makes me feel good, then shitty for a week. I feel the comedown and possible brain damage isn't worth it, so I would rather avoid it or do occasionally
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kr0nik0 said: Meth and Heroin should never be compared. They are completely different animals, in fact polar opposites.
I'm not sure why you keep comparing the two outside of addiction potential.
I have experience with heroin, you with meth. Being hooked the first time banging meth may be true, although I find that doubtful but I can't counter because I've never done it.
Heroin on the other hand I can speak of, and no, it's not one time and you're addicted. Far from it.
The reason so many people see the needle as "one time and you're a junkie" is because people that use the needle for the first time are already addicts. People that have been using their drug of choice for a long time via a different ROA. The needle is just a bigger plunge into their addiction. Not an introduction to it.
This. doing one line of H isn't gonna ruin your life. Its just pointless and kind of a waste of time. Why risk your life for a high?
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22160671 - 08/29/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I agree with bitter cactus that someone who uses IV coke meth or heroin is more likely then not going to develop a crippling struggle with addiction that will most likely derail a substantial part of their lives.
There is simply no reasoning other then abject denial that can tell you using IV hard drugs is anything but one of the most dangerous risky harmful and consequential choices anyone could ever make.
Even being willing to try it indicates you already have a personality that renders you more suceptible to addiction.
Once you have felt that rush the psychological temptation to experience it again will weigh on you for the rest Of your life like a force of gravity.
It must be advised against in the strongest possible terms and in all circumstances . At leas that way those who still choose to do it will have been thoroughly warned and will have no one to blame but themselves .
Sure there will be some outliers who avoid disaster but some people survive plane crashes too.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Moonshoe]
#22160728 - 08/29/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would say once the needle get involved, probably ten percent of people don't end up addicted. I have never met someone do just one shot of heroin before.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22160746 - 08/29/15 01:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The statistic 90% get addicted after first use of meth and heroin gets thrown around a lot online.
It all depends on how you define things I think.
Dr. Carl Hart says the vast majority of drug users, even meth crack and heroin, never get addicted or develop problems.
That's hard for me to believe but he is a cool and credible person.
By the way BC I finally got to try an adderal and I love it . Would be so awesome to get a prescription but I don't see it happening . I can maybe get a benzo script but no way I can get a stim. It's way too obvious that I don't have any form of ADHD or ADD.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22160759 - 08/29/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I agree with that.
I remember a scene from that show Californication that relates to this topic well.
What was said was something along the lines of "No, I don't want to do heroin with you. People don't socially inject heroin, You fucking junkie!"
Anyways, when done for the first time via a different ROA, it's not a death sentence whereas with the needle it may be. That's what I was trying to explain in my previous post.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Moonshoe]
#22160773 - 08/29/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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ADD is probably the easiest condition to fake ever.
Oh and moon, holy fucking shit, the difference between ritalin and vyvyanse (i can never spell it) is fucking night and day.
Addy, dex, and vy, all have little to no side effects and a clear mental stimultation. Ritalin is like all the side effects and feeling cracked out with no net positives.
But if you have two brain cells you can get an ADD script. You get referred to an adult ADD doc, fill out the exam appropriately, then boom you are ADD nobody can dispute it. I do have real ADD though so I never had to lie.
Life with an amphetamine script is way better. Everybody is on something to keep them stimulated. Caffeine, nicotine, kratom, ect. Our society is designed for it to be necessary to be awake more and be focused all the time. Just like in sports, people use every advantage they can get to have a one up over their competition. If you are not taking advantage of it then you are behind the game.
ADD scripts are dope cause unlike being prescribed benzos, you never are physically addicted and you are mostly getting all the positives without any long term consequences.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: kr0nik0]
#22160781 - 08/29/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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who wants to shoot up for their first time using heroin? thats retarded. everyone ive seen who tried the needle did it out of desperation, because you get so much higher on a small dose compared to snorting or smoking it
i'm suprised your friend was able to became a nurse, because hes clearly a reckless dumbass
Edited by Adolin (08/29/15 01:28 PM)
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Rewindicus]
#22160789 - 08/29/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Rewindicus said: He's 23 has done a lot of E and a couple of the more popular psychs lile L and Mush. He tried meth a few times an didn't like it. I asked him why and his response is he just wants to see how it is. He's curious.
He knows all about the high addiction potential and how it can easily ruin your life. The real irony in all of this is he sees the effects of heroin use everyday since he's a nurse at a methadone clinic.
Anyone got advice for my bud? I'm gonna have him read this thread.....
Ok if anything try to tell him about Kratom let him try Kratom first jumping straight into heroin is a terrible Idea I think to get hooked on one of the strongest forms of opiate, im just saying if anything tell him to try Kratom or even codeine if he is really insistent upon using an opiate not to just free fall right into the deepest pits you know? It's really really hard to dissuade someone from doing what they want. Or even possibly a psychedelic experience perhaps like mescaline to try and open up opportunities to pursue what they want instead of just looking for an escape which is probably the case.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: qman]
#22160812 - 08/29/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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qman said: Maybe sniff it instead of shooting it
haha, that's laughable, exact way I got into dope. I got into it by snorting it, all that did is make me want to shoot it, and inject it I did, lost a decade of my life to that stuff.
I will not lie, heroin is the fucking tits, my favorite drug, it caresses you in its warm grip taking away all worries. A shot of heroin never made me feel high, it made me feel supreme, the ruler of my domain, like there was no wrong. Heroin is, and always will be, my favorite drug. I no longer use now though, took me about 5 years to get totally clean, I struggled for a while, used suboxone/methadone as a crutch to continue my use.
Tell your friend to proceed with caution. Heroin is a slippery slope. One often starts by enjoying the feeling, then researching how long then can use it everyday and not get addicted to it, then just not caring if they get some minor withdrawals, then just not caring about a damn thing and being a full blown junkie pawning shit for a fix.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Lucis]
#22160818 - 08/29/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Tell you friend to try kratom lol he will get lots of good effects from it and won't fuck up his tolerance. If he is not happy with kratom then tell him to move along.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Bitter Cactus] 1
#22160980 - 08/29/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Everyone I know that has tried heroin has been able to do it responsibly,except for one who still shoots up. I've done it a couple dozen times insufflated and haven't had any problems stopping. The high was ok but I much preferred oxycodone. It's weird that there are lots of junkies in my area but everyone I know personally have just dabbled in it.
I think addiction potential varies alot from person to person. Environment, income, past physical or mental abuse, genetics, how someone was raised, etc all seem to be big factors. Everyone I know who only did it a few times have grown up with a strong support system from their families and live comfortably middle class. The addicts I know seem to have had bad childhoods, grown up poor, past trauma, and things of that nature.
To say this or that percentage got addicted after one use or several seems extremely inaccurate. There's just way too many variables to get an accurate reading.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: DTCharlieB]
#22161006 - 08/29/15 02:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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DTCharlieB said: The addicts I know seem to have had bad childhoods, grown up poor, past trauma, and things of that nature.
To say this or that percentage got addicted after one use or several seems extremely inaccurate. There's just way too many variables to get an accurate reading.
I grew up poor, had a dad who was addicted to cocaine, and people that loved booze throughout my fam, so I think addiction is genetic for me.
But now that I think about it, 9/10 of the junkies I used to use with came from broken homes.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: DTCharlieB]
#22161065 - 08/29/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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DTCharlieB said: Everyone I know that has tried heroin has been able to do it responsibly,except for one who still shoots up. I've done it a couple dozen times insufflated and haven't had any problems stopping. The high was ok but I much preferred oxycodone. It's weird that there are lots of junkies in my area but everyone I know personally have just dabbled in it.
I think addiction potential varies alot from person to person. Environment, income, past physical or mental abuse, genetics, how someone was raised, etc all seem to be big factors. Everyone I know who only did it a few times have grown up with a strong support system from their families and live comfortably middle class. The addicts I know seem to have had bad childhoods, grown up poor, past trauma, and things of that nature.
To say this or that percentage got addicted after one use or several seems extremely inaccurate. There's just way too many variables to get an accurate reading.
This
Heroin is simply one chemical factor in an ocean of factors that create a living hell for addicts
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: DTCharlieB]
#22161129 - 08/29/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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DTCharlieB said: Everyone I know that has tried heroin has been able to do it responsibly,except for one who still shoots up. I've done it a couple dozen times insufflated and haven't had any problems stopping. The high was ok but I much preferred oxycodone. It's weird that there are lots of junkies in my area but everyone I know personally have just dabbled in it.
I think addiction potential varies alot from person to person. Environment, income, past physical or mental abuse, genetics, how someone was raised, etc all seem to be big factors. Everyone I know who only did it a few times have grown up with a strong support system from their families and live comfortably middle class. The addicts I know seem to have had bad childhoods, grown up poor, past trauma, and things of that nature.
To say this or that percentage got addicted after one use or several seems extremely inaccurate. There's just way too many variables to get an accurate reading.
This is a great post and I agree with just about everything you said except that this is the norm:
"Everyone I know who only did it a few times have grown up with a strong support system from their families and live comfortably middle class."
I grew up comfortably in the middle class and started dabbling with painkillers in my teens. It took about 2 years of taking opioids sparingly before I became an addict. It was destined to be for me. I just like the feeling way too much and ended up throwing away 4 years of my life. Jobs, friends, girlfriends, and family were thrown on the back burner for that time, and what a sad time it was. Luckily after 8 years of staying away from that stuff now, I've gotten my life back to where I'm quite content.
Anyways, my point is that if you look at all states in the Northeast right now that have been for the past decade dealing with thousands upon thousands of new heroin addicts, it's always the same story. Caucasian teen to early 20's from a nice home with a loving family tragically starts injecting heroin. I hear this story over and over and over. Always the same. Once upon a time heroin was considered a poor man's drug. Mainly in the 70's and early 80's in NYC. Ever since the pill mill boom in the early 00's here in FL, the demographic of painkiller and eventually heroin abuse is composed of mainly white kids living comfortably.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Rewindicus]
#22161146 - 08/29/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Rewindicus said: He's 23 has done a lot of E and a couple of the more popular psychs lile L and Mush. He tried meth a few times an didn't like it. I asked him why and his response is he just wants to see how it is. He's curious.
He knows all about the high addiction potential and how it can easily ruin your life. The real irony in all of this is he sees the effects of heroin use everyday since he's a nurse at a methadone clinic.
Anyone got advice for my bud? I'm gonna have him read this thread.....
Looks like you have one stupid friend my friend...
I haven't read the thread but I assume people are telling you to try and convince him otherwise or just stop being friends with him; which are two wonderful advice.
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