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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22160438 - 08/29/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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topdog82 said: perhaps i am misinformed but don't most people who do heroin end up fine?

watch the link i posted above
It's still cut with various other unknown substances/ fillers which makes injecting it into your bloodstream extremely dangerous and detrimental to your body. Now 100% pure heroin is a different story. Most of the shit on the streets is like 70-80% pure, if that much.
thats a valid point. But sadly the OP can't convince his friend to do otherwise. His best bet is to sadly just cross his fingers that he doesnt get addicted. Or cut him off. I don't think anything the OP says to him will change his mind. Unless the person in question is your kids, wife or gf, advice rarely does anything
I am not saying i support heroin use, i am merely stating that things will most likely turn out fine. If they dont, OP will have to see what happens from there
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: rackem] 2
#22160442 - 08/29/15 11:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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as a former heroin addict these kind of posts really grind my gears. there's no way to effectively communicate to people how evil heroin can be. the name, the stigma surrounding it is very real. when you do heroin you get this feeling of wow this isn't bad like people make it out to be at all! it just feels nice. it's not overwhelming, its just nice. then before u know it your doing it again and again and again untill the negative side starts to show.
when u first started it was nice and fun. it made a bad situation good. your problems dissolved into a noddy euphoric blissful state. before you know it, youre hooked. well to be honest you were hooked the first time you tried it. you just didn't know it yet. it doesn't take long before that dreamy euphoria is gone. suddenly it dawns on you that you really need it just to feel normal. it becomes your medicine. what used to get you high costed $5-10 , now your spending literally 20-40 -60-80 100 just to maintain yourself and feel normal. it's a huge monkey on your back. you want to stop but every time you do you're overwhelmed with pain and agony. your body is slowly withering away and your emotions are completely fucked for days. youre shitting massive fecal impactions that built up from binging then it turns to lava squirts ALL DAY. you cold as fuck wearing a sweatshirt and sweatpants in the middle of summer curled up in a ball of pain while your mind races all the while knowing that the only thing that will make you feel better is more heroin. or you could wait it out for a week of agony. even then the cravings will come at you when you're triggered for months,years, some say your whole life and each time you're triggered there's a strong chance that you will fall back into this life destroying cycle.
DONT THINK FOR A GODDAMNED SECOND THAT ANY OF THIS WONT HAPPEN TO YOU.
Everybody thinks they're the exception. you're wrong just count your blessings and stay the fuck away from this drug and the people that are involved with it. that goes for all opiates. STAY AWAY FROM HEROIN AND OTHER OPIATES. THEY WILL SIGNIFICANTLY ALTER YOUR QUALITY OF LIFE. I CANT STRESS THIS ENOUGH
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#22160445 - 08/29/15 11:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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4HO-DMT said: Almost all of them are in jail or dead now.
No, only ten percent get addicted.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: topdog82]
#22160447 - 08/29/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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just because my car can do 140 does that mean its ok do that with traffic around? i did it once, everything was cool
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: rackem]
#22160448 - 08/29/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah meth abuse/addiction will really ravage your body and mind if you get carried away with it
Even now I have a hard time staying clean from it, I mean not when I'm not around it but when someone else has it I can't resist that's why I try to just stay away from that scene nowadays
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22160450 - 08/29/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Everything said is pointless. He obviously knows the risk and dangers, if that's not enough to stop him, nothing is.
This.
OP, there is nothing you can do short of physically restraining him from doing it if he's set his mind to it.
Hopefully H won't be his drug of choice and he ends up getting a nauseated hell ride he wants to get off from but can't. Because if he doesn't, it'll be the most blissful moment of his life and it'll take a long time to come back from that, if ever.
Your friend is a dumbass btw. If you're reading this, "friend" then at least snort it first before committing to banging it! You work in a methadone clinic and you still want to shoot? Yea? Have fun living in your shit covered cardboard box in 6 months. Idiot...
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: kr0nik0]
#22160455 - 08/29/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Put on some boxing gloves and just KO your friend and put him in his place. Heroin is serious business he is gonna be fucked if he tries it just watch.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: rackem]
#22160458 - 08/29/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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rackem said: you are really starting to show your naivety man
i still feel the lasting effects from a major meth habbit over 15 years ago
I haven't really made too many claims. I just stated a handful of indisputable facts that were made by a neuroscientist
I have never tried any of these drugs, and I don't think its worth the risk myself. But the idea that if you try heroin, meth, or crack ONCE your life is over it silliness. If OP's friend wants to do it, there is little one can do to counter this desire
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22160460 - 08/29/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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4HO-DMT said: Almost all of them are in jail or dead now.
No, only ten percent get addicted. 
Regardless of what you say, anecdotes say otherwise
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: topdog82]
#22160466 - 08/29/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah dude, meth took me to some pretty shitty places man.
of course that shit doesnt happen overnight.. you dont go from fully functioning person to someone who is robbing cheating and stealing, but its def a slippery slope once someone does start.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22160473 - 08/29/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was gonna say beat the shit out of him
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: topdog82]
#22160475 - 08/29/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Whatever man, IV heroin is serious fucking business. I bet most people who shoot up H end up addicted at some point.
IV heroin, coke and meth are not usually something you do once and say "oh that was nice". That never happens.
I was hooked before the needle was even taken out of my arm. I sprung from my seat and was on a three or four day bender the first time I did it.
Give him tough love OP. Call his dad and tell him to kick the shit out of his kid for even considering doing that.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: topdog82]
#22160477 - 08/29/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't think you understand the term indisputable.
The Sun is powered by fusion is an indisputable fact. Brain chemistry and addiction and everything pertaining to it, is still in dispute to this very day.
I'll be honest, I haven't read whatever you claim to be indisputable, but just reading between the lines, you've offered no indisputable fact.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: topdog82]
#22160484 - 08/29/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have snorted it. I am never putting a needle in of any street shit. It made me puke but after that it was nice. Not great but nice. I have also had real dose of morphine injected by med techs for a kidney stone. THAT was wonderful. Oh yeah. Let me say again, Oh yeah
I understand the appeal. I also think it is way too dangerous. There are a lot of other people here who will back that up
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: topdog82]
#22160486 - 08/29/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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4HO-DMT said: Almost all of them are in jail or dead now.
No, only ten percent get addicted. 
Regardless of what you say, anecdotes say otherwise
Dude, what I said is an anecdote. Sure it is qualitative. But, I bet that these anecdotes are a dime a dozen on the website. People do get addicted from their first time. That same neuroscientist is probably far removed from anybody that actually uses heroin.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#22160506 - 08/29/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Meth and heroin are not like alcohol. I have never heard of anyone having their first drink and being a full blown alcoholic right away. It is a slow process for most people that happens over the course of years.
IV meth and H, straight up, you are hooked the first time if you get a good rush. It's a done deal.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22160508 - 08/29/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: I don't think you understand the term indisputable.
The Sun is powered by fusion is an indisputable fact. Brain chemistry and addiction and everything pertaining to it, is still in dispute to this very day.
I'll be honest, I haven't read whatever you claim to be indisputable, but just reading between the lines, you've offered no indisputable fact.
watch the vid I posted. All I am saying is that as demonstrted by the video, most people who do crack, heroin, and meth end up moving on with their lives. MOST as in 80-90% (this is a FACT. Not up for dispute or arguement)
That fact was all I stated. You are free to interpret that fact. I never said heroin was good and/or bad. All OP can tell his friend is the facts and hope he makes the wise decision. I have interpreted this fact and choose to abstain. the 10% that do get addicted have it horrible.
So like I said, getting your panties in a bunch because I state facts is silly. I have stated a fact. You are free to take that fact and make an informed decision. Say whatever you want, that fact will reign true forever
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: topdog82]
#22160513 - 08/29/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't know what circles you are in topdog, but most of the people that shoot up or try one of those hard drugs does get hooked.
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#22160514 - 08/29/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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4HO-DMT said: Almost all of them are in jail or dead now.
No, only ten percent get addicted. 
Regardless of what you say, anecdotes say otherwise
Dude, what I said is an anecdote. Sure it is qualitative. But, I bet that these anecdotes are a dime a dozen on the website. People do get addicted from their first time. That same neuroscientist is probably far removed from anybody that actually uses heroin.
the neuroscientist grew up in an impoverished background and tried/was around many substances. He stands for decriminalization, proper rehab and treatment for drug use, and informed/educated use
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Re: I have a friend who WANTS to try shooting up heroin............. [Re: topdog82]
#22160517 - 08/29/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you shoot up heroin or meth first time, I guarantee you are most likely hooked and addicted and doing it again and again.
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