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When I case my monotubs, how long should I wait before fruiting, and should I patch the top layer?
    #22160035 - 08/29/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I am currently doing an experiment with the efficiency of low spawn ratios (1:4) on coir/verm/gypsum. 

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22133690

I also plan to case two of the four tubs to compare performance.  I understand that casing cubensis isn't necessary, but I have heard that it can help to avoid mutants on first flushes with Penis Envy.  My question is, after I open the lid, case the top of the substrate, then put it back into colonization, how long should I wait before returning to proper fruiting conditions?  I have heard it is usually 4 days, but I have also heard when roughly 20% of the substrate appears to have mycelium poking through.  Also, once I put the cased tubs into fruiting, should I patch the mycelium that has poked through the casing layer?  I have heard that patching can produce a more even pinset.  Is it worth doing in your opionion? 

I plan on casing with pasteurized jiffy mix, if anyone is wondering.


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Re: When I case my monotubs, how long should I wait before fruiting, and should I patch the top layer? [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22160042 - 08/29/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Is this MS or Isolate? Cause if it's MS it means nothing :/


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Re: When I case my monotubs, how long should I wait before fruiting, and should I patch the top layer? [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22160050 - 08/29/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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  My question is, after I open the lid, case the top of the substrate, then put it back into fruiting, how long should I wait before returning to proper fruiting conditions?



Well according to your statement it already is in fruiting....


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Re: When I case my monotubs, how long should I wait before fruiting, and should I patch the top layer? [Re: taGyo]
    #22160052 - 08/29/15 10:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

This is all MS.  I plan on cloning once I get some fruits.  Why do you say that it means nothing?


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Re: When I case my monotubs, how long should I wait before fruiting, and should I patch the top layer? [Re: cronicr]
    #22160056 - 08/29/15 10:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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  My question is, after I open the lid, case the top of the substrate, then put it back into fruiting, how long should I wait before returning to proper fruiting conditions?



Well according to your statement it already is in fruiting....



Sorry, fixed that.  I mean to say colonization.


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Re: When I case my monotubs, how long should I wait before fruiting, and should I patch the top layer? [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22160067 - 08/29/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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This is all MS.  I plan on cloning once I get some fruits.  Why do you say that it means nothing?



Because MS genetics have literally thousands, probably millions or billions, of variables in each syringe :/

For instance if I knocked up one jar with one syringe and then knocked up a seperate jar with that SAME syringe I still have two different genetics, fruiting potentials, etc.

You want a clone that has been tested thoroughly. You haven't locked down the most important variable and that's fruiting potential. If you have a culture that always produces a full canopy then you know if you change something in the environment and it performs worse then it was a negative change.

It's not useless PER SAY but nothing you do will be concrete evidence just yet. I'd use it as a basis for when you get a good clone/isolate :thumbup:


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Re: When I case my monotubs, how long should I wait before fruiting, and should I patch the top layer? [Re: taGyo]
    #22160113 - 08/29/15 10:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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This is all MS.  I plan on cloning once I get some fruits.  Why do you say that it means nothing?



Because MS genetics have literally thousands, probably millions or billions, of variables in each syringe :/

For instance if I knocked up one jar with one syringe and then knocked up a seperate jar with that SAME syringe I still have two different genetics, fruiting potentials, etc.

You want a clone that has been tested thoroughly. You haven't locked down the most important variable and that's fruiting potential. If you have a culture that always produces a full canopy then you know if you change something in the environment and it performs worse then it was a negative change.

It's not useless PER SAY but nothing you do will be concrete evidence just yet. I'd use it as a basis for when you get a good clone/isolate :thumbup:





Okay!  I knew that going into this experiment that since it was MS, the results wouldn't be particularly definitive.  I would definitely like to repeat this experiment once I have a good clone/isolate.  But, that could be a while, considering I am sitting on about 50 quart jars that are close to fully colonized.


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Re: When I case my monotubs, how long should I wait before fruiting, and should I patch the top layer? [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22160135 - 08/29/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:shrug:

I'd be happy as fuck just to have 50 colonizing qt jars. You'll find a keeper somewhere in there. Remember to only clone from first flush.

Pins are great for cloning. Clusters = more yield, big mushrooms = more big mushrooms.


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Re: When I case my monotubs, how long should I wait before fruiting, and should I patch the top layer? [Re: taGyo]
    #22164969 - 08/30/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

MS or not, the question is still valid. How to best utilize a casing layer?

Any real answers, for the OP?


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Re: When I case my monotubs, how long should I wait before fruiting, and should I patch the top layer? [Re: Green Bastard]
    #22164976 - 08/30/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

depends on how it's applied, a simple search will tell you most wait about 30% colonization, patching is optional and anything 1/4 inch or under can be fruited right as it has been applied


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Re: When I case my monotubs, how long should I wait before fruiting, and should I patch the top layer? [Re: cronicr]
    #22164994 - 08/30/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Light layer of CVG and straight to fruit or Jiffy/Peat 1/4"-1/2", 30% then fruit. A lot of options actually.


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