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name of the MILF? * 2
    #22159286 - 08/29/15 04:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: name of the MILF? [Re: x7x_x7x] * 3
    #22159296 - 08/29/15 04:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Why the fuck do people always bring this shit here? There is seriously like at least one a month. Wtf. You know they have very active porn forums with "identify that slut" sections right?

That said, I did a preliminary search on it, and found nothing. Neither of them are hot enough to warrant the time needed to identify them with so little to go on, at least IMO. So I'm not going to devote a bunch of time towards it.

I can basically find anything, if I put my mind to it, it's just usually time consuming. It's going through thousand of thumbnails finding one that is close to matching and see if it's right. Usually when a video is one site, it's on a few others. If it's not on the comments on one site, it's almost always in the comments of another.

So go with the vaguest terms and go through thumbnail after thumbnail (nudevista is good for this) and find the video on another server. Then check the comments.

Short of the above mentioned, you're asking for a miracle. I'm obviously well versed in porn, and neither look even vaguely familiar. The chances that someone here is just going to know them are pretty low. Either join a site dedicated to that shit, or do it the old fashioned way.

EDIT: Yes I know this makes me sound pathetic as hell.. :rofl: But at least I'm willing to admit to it. Most people like stand back and act like they don't do it.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: name of the MILF? [Re: Shroomslip] * 2
    #22159317 - 08/29/15 05:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Most people like stand back and act like they don't do it.



As far as I know most people don't do this lol


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Re: name of the MILF? [Re: RainyWA] * 3
    #22159319 - 08/29/15 05:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Most people do, they just won't admit it. Everyone has their tastes in what is attractive and when that one person fits that bill so perfectly, they get consumed by it.

If this weren't the case, the porn industry wouldn't be constructed as it is. It would just be a bunch of random, nameless people. If it weren't the case, people wouldn't have favorite porn stars. If it weren't the case, most everyone would just be happy seeing a dick shoved in a pussy. If it were solely based on anatomy, it wouldn't matter who was attached to what. If it weren't the case, there wouldn't be countless forums dedicated solely to identifying a single person. If it weren't the case, these posts would not exist here.

Like I said, most just won't admit it.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: name of the MILF? [Re: Shroomslip] * 2
    #22159337 - 08/29/15 06:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Meh, guess i'm not into porn enough to know this was common practice


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Re: name of the MILF? [Re: Shroomslip] * 1
    #22159362 - 08/29/15 06:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Most people do, they just won't admit it. Everyone has their tastes in what is attractive and when that one person fits that bill so perfectly, they get consumed by it.




:rofl: what?

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If this weren't the case, the porn industry wouldn't be constructed as it is. It would just be a bunch of random, nameless people.



I thought they where?!!
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If it weren't the case, people wouldn't have favorite porn stars.



There's millions of women on film out there, and I'll be damned if I stick with just one!
Has monogamy gone too far? Science and Turtletotem say yes :lol: 

Sorry Shroomslip, I bet that plenty of people think you're normal, but you had me rolling on the floor in a fit of laughter and confusion with your posts. :lol:
Kudoes for being so open about it, tho!


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Re: name of the MILF? [Re: Shroomslip] * 2
    #22159369 - 08/29/15 06:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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...Neither of them are hot enough to warrant the time needed to identify them with so little to go on, at least IMO. So I'm not going to devote a bunch of time towards it...

And yet you find the time to type all that out.
You got the diarrhea of the fingertips geezer?


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Re: name of the MILF? [Re: deucedbi9] * 2
    #22159379 - 08/29/15 06:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

1. They do. Again, most just don't want to admit it.

2. The porn industry is built around names. Not sure how you're confused on that aspect. Porn stars have fucking IMDB pages for fuck's sake. What is nameless about that?

3. No one said limiting yourself to just one. I'm not saying someone focuses all their attention on one person. I'm saying when they find that "perfect one" they fixate on it. They didn't why are threads like this so common and why are there multiple forums dedicated to finding that person? Why do porn stars need names?

This is all pretty basic shit. I mean by all means act like what I'm saying is ridiculous to stroke your ego, it really doesn't bother me (much), but these are all simple facts. Not opinions, facts. Opinions don't come with a metric fuck ton of correlating evidence.
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...Neither of them are hot enough to warrant the time needed to identify them with so little to go on, at least IMO. So I'm not going to devote a bunch of time towards it...

And yet you find the time to type all that out.
You got the diarrhea of the fingertips geezer?



I get bored at night and as Burke has already pointed out numerous times, I'm verbose. Sue me.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: name of the MILF? [Re: Shroomslip] * 1
    #22159381 - 08/29/15 06:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Dude this is the first time I'm ever hearing of this phenomenon, give me a break man, Jesus.

And that after +1ing everyone in this thread :tongue:


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Re: name of the MILF? [Re: Turtletotem] * 2
    #22159390 - 08/29/15 06:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Dude this is the first time I'm ever hearing of this phenomenon



Right?:laugh:


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Re: name of the MILF? [Re: Turtletotem] * 2
    #22159391 - 08/29/15 06:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:shrug: all I'm doing is stating things and defending my position. It's pretty wide spread, I find it kind of hard to believe anyone has existed on the internet, much less here, and not ran into it countless times before. Someone finds a picture of video of something and just has to know who that woman is. It's pretty common.

There is literally nearly 1 post a month on this in the pub alone, by members who joined up specifically to ask. That should give you some kind of idea how widespread it is.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: name of the MILF? [Re: Shroomslip] * 1
    #22159392 - 08/29/15 06:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not attacking your position, tho. It's just very baffling to me :lol: But I believe you!

I see that on pornsites sometimes, yeah, people asking.. but never gave it a second thought.
I mean, why would you do that?

Eh whatever.
If there is one thing we can take away from all of this, I guess, it's that if you see a hot woman in a porno you can ask Shroomslip who she is :wink:


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Re: name of the MILF? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22159394 - 08/29/15 06:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's an off topic forum. You know, people talk, ask random questions. If you're concerned with the current subject matter of this thread or the Pub overall, then maybe try one more geared towards telling people what they can and can't say.


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Re: name of the MILF? [Re: Turtletotem] * 1
    #22159396 - 08/29/15 06:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I once heard a song.  And I liked it.  So I went to look it up.  And the particular artist said, "I dont have a name because everyone just likes to hear noise".. I said :mindblown: and haven't looked up another artist again.. true story.


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Re: name of the MILF? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22159400 - 08/29/15 06:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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It's an off topic forum. You know, people talk, ask random questions. If you're concerned with the current subject matter of this thread or the Pub overall, then maybe try one more geared towards telling people what they can and can't say.



I'm not really concerned with it. I mean I find it strange how often it's asked here. As I said above, most of the id requests are literally by people with only that post. If you're gonna go through the trouble of signing up somewhere to ask that, wouldn't it make more sense to join one of the numerous porn forums that specialize in IDing that? You wouldn't go to a porn forum asking an ID on mushrooms, would you?

The only time I can even remotely understand it is when the OP is long established (like this one), but me asking why this keeps coming up here, isn't really a disbelief in why he'd ask. It's in a general sense in why people choose this place above all others to ask.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: name of the MILF? [Re: Turtletotem]
    #22159405 - 08/29/15 06:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Eh whatever.
If there is one thing we can take away from all of this, I guess, it's that if you see a hot woman in a porno you can ask Shroomslip who she is :wink:



I'm not a jedi master. :sad: I wouldn't count on it. I'm not afraid to admit I know my way around porn, but I'm no where near the level of other people.

Also when I said I can usually find anything, it wasn't porn alone. It means songs, movies, tv shows and everything in between that has proven elusive. To date the only thing I've really seen brought up here that I dedicated time to find and couldn't, was Bill O's weird ass movie about mookies.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


Edited by Shroomslip (08/29/15 07:00 AM)


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Re: name of the MILF? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22159410 - 08/29/15 07:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's because he wants to know the person who helps him with this better than he would a stranger on some weird fetish porn site. Who wouldn't want to see your green-yang and say, "Fuck yeah that guy helped me jack it!"


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Re: name of the MILF? [Re: Amanita86]
    #22159411 - 08/29/15 07:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I once heard a song.  And I liked it.  So I went to look it up.  And the particular artist said, "I dont have a name because everyone just likes to hear noise".. I said :mindblown: and haven't looked up another artist again.. true story.




Allright, allright, Jezus Christ man, from now on I'll pretend new things and ideas where common knowledge and normal to me all along instead of shockingly hillarious, ok man?



@Shroomslip: don't worry, I was just joking. I won't really bother you with that :wink:
And I didin't think any of this was really weird, until SOME people started defending it a bit too passive agressively.
That is always how shit gets weird.


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Re: name of the MILF? [Re: larry.fisherman] * 1
    #22159430 - 08/29/15 07:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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XLCaps said:
It's because he wants to know the person who helps him with this better than he would a stranger on some weird fetish porn site. Who wouldn't want to see your green-yang and say, "Fuck yeah that guy helped me jack it!"



I am pretty awesome. We need 5 dick ratings. I'd be the master of that shit.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: name of the MILF? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22159435 - 08/29/15 07:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I am pretty awesome. We need 5 dick ratings. I'd be the master of that shit.




Done.


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Re: name of the MILF? [Re: Shroomslip] * 1
    #22159436 - 08/29/15 07:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Shroomslip, to answer your question in your first post in this thread: a lot of these threads are made by people who just reged and will only ever make one post, which is asking who a porn person is, with a link.  These are spammers, they know that people will click the link and go to the site.  From there, it's a numbers game, I guess.  If you put the word "porn" in the title of a pub thread, it gets lots and lots of views.  A percentage of those views will follow the link.  Some of those people will look around the site more, probably in a masturbatory frenzy.  A frenzied jerker or two may even buy something.  Or the site installs malware.  But it's spam.

In the case of this OP, I suspect that he isn't a member of any porn specific forums, and knows this to be a well-trafficked general discussion place, and figured it to be the best place to ask.  Or maybe he's secretly spamming, idk.  The most effective spammers do it in a way that makes people not realize they're dealing with spam.


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Re: name of the MILF? [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #22159440 - 08/29/15 07:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Shroomslip, to answer your question in your first post in this thread: a lot of these threads are made by people who just reged and will only ever make one post, which is asking who a porn person is, with a link.  These are spammers, they know that people will click the link and go to the site.  From there, it's a numbers game, I guess.  If you put the word "porn" in the title of a pub thread, it gets lots and lots of views.  A percentage of those views will follow the link.  Some of those people will look around the site more, probably in a masturbatory frenzy.  A frenzied jerker or two may even buy something.  Or the site installs malware.  But it's spam.

In the case of this OP, I suspect that he isn't a member of any porn specific forums, and knows this to be a well-trafficked general discussion place, and figured it to be the best place to ask.  Or maybe he's secretly spamming, idk.  The most effective spammers do it in a way that makes people not realize they're dealing with spam.




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Re: name of the MILF? [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #22159452 - 08/29/15 07:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Shroomslip, to answer your question in your first post in this thread: a lot of these threads are made by people who just reged and will only ever make one post, which is asking who a porn person is, with a link.  These are spammers, they know that people will click the link and go to the site.  From there, it's a numbers game, I guess.  If you put the word "porn" in the title of a pub thread, it gets lots and lots of views.  A percentage of those views will follow the link.  Some of those people will look around the site more, probably in a masturbatory frenzy.  A frenzied jerker or two may even buy something.  Or the site installs malware.  But it's spam.

In the case of this OP, I suspect that he isn't a member of any porn specific forums, and knows this to be a well-trafficked general discussion place, and figured it to be the best place to ask.  Or maybe he's secretly spamming, idk.  The most effective spammers do it in a way that makes people not realize they're dealing with spam.



:mindblown: I have literally never thought about it that way. I don't care enough to go digging into all the past threads to confirm or deny it, but it makes sense. I do remember the majority are 1 post accounts who never come back. It's kinda crafty though. I don't remember them ever really linking to an ad ridden site or anything. A lot, as I recall, are just screen grabs. But that doesn't make what you said less true.

I imagine a lot of the porn sites are all intermingled as far as ads. So it doesn't really matter what site you go through to find them. If someone forces you to go digging through a bunch of sites to find the shit, it's going to generate traffic, maybe not to a specific site, but it really doesn't need to be.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


Edited by Shroomslip (08/29/15 07:26 AM)


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Re: name of the MILF? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22159477 - 08/29/15 07:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Surreptitious spam is everywhere these days.  If you pay attention for it, you'd be amazed at what the mods here unknowingly allow.


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Re: name of the MILF? [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #22159490 - 08/29/15 07:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Burke Dennings for mod! He will ban the Surreptitious spammers!


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: name of the MILF? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22159494 - 08/29/15 07:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Burke Dennings for mod! He will ban the Surreptitious spammers!




I can get behind this, and surreptitious is an amazing word. I'm struggling to say it out loud.


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Re: name of the MILF? [Re: Turtletotem]
    #22159497 - 08/29/15 07:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Imagine my surprise. I'm supposed to the verbose one and I'd never heard of that word. :lol:


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: name of the MILF? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22159508 - 08/29/15 07:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I have heard it before, and everytime I smile and nod, and pretend I know what it means :lol:


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Re: name of the MILF? [Re: Turtletotem] * 1
    #22159519 - 08/29/15 07:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That is a weird weird word to say. I dunno if I'm pronouncing it right, but it's kinda coming across as me addressing a knight of the reptilian titty order. :ilold:


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Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: name of the MILF? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22159608 - 08/29/15 08:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Shroomslip said:
Why the fuck do people always bring this shit here? There is seriously like at least one a month. Wtf. You know they have very active porn forums with "identify that slut" sections right?





no shit, he'd probably get faster responses if he shared this on facebook


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Re: name of the MILF? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22159775 - 08/29/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Her name is Katerina Hartlova


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Re: name of the MILF? [Re: Janky Tits]
    #22159790 - 08/29/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Stop trying to push that bitch off on everyone. Her tits make her look disgusting. If you're really into that shit, then look up Letha Weapons.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: name of the MILF? [Re: Janky Tits]
    #22159791 - 08/29/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Everyone take it easy on OP. He appears to be a foreigner.

Maybe he doesn't know any better :shrug:


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Re: name of the MILF? [Re: Janky Tits]
    #22159801 - 08/29/15 09:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

But in all honesty I think the milf in question is Aubrey Star


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Re: name of the MILF? [Re: Janky Tits] * 1
    #22160823 - 08/29/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

YEAAAAAAAAAH ITS PO-OOOORN

YA FEEELIN IT BRONCO?




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