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Offlinecircastes
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The truth is so simple, the sages were almost tricksters
    #22159279 - 08/29/15 04:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

To intellectualize the truth is to completely eclipse it. There are so many books, scriptures and teachers that one ought to think enlightenment were somehow a hard task.

I think Mooji says something to this effect, then goes on to say, 'it is just this'

...just your ordinary wakefulness.

One is just pretending, 'it is is all a great game of pretending' -Maharshi

I think I've said this a million times, but probably because of my illness or brain injury making it all so convoluted, not so much that I was wrong or confused or struggling with my own bullshit.

But tonight here I am sitting feeling fucking great, wondering how deep this love/ecstasy can go.

All you need to find out is you need a 7/10 or 8/10 ability to control your own mind, then you can stop reading anything you're reading.

Then it's just a matter of 'coming off it', stopping the pretense, and then keeping your mind from straying further than it needs to serve your own goals and interests in life.

You will feel effing great, and realise only you are real, that suffering and mystery are all in the mind (to use more of Maharshi)

It's a total feeling, something like the completeness of childhood, and may go very deep, perhaps I'm just scratching the surface.

No wonder the Buddha is laughing.


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Re: The truth is so simple, the sages were almost tricksters [Re: circastes]
    #22159333 - 08/29/15 05:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So suffering and misery is all in the mind?  Tell that to the kids in Africa that are being recruited to child-armies and if they refuse they get their arms hacked off.  Tell them it's all in their mind. 

Tell the families of the journalist that got his head cut off that his and their suffering is all in the mind.

You honestly think all that is in the mind?  Or is it just "Out of sight, out of mind, therefor it doesn't exist" for you?

No wonder the devil is laughing.


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Re: The truth is so simple, the sages were almost tricksters [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #22159488 - 08/29/15 07:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The truth is anything but simple.  What is interesting is how there is so much going on that 90% (conservative estimate) HAVE to completely ignore in order to continue living how they are living.  To face the truth of what is actually going on in the world is frankly a major bummer, if you let it get to you.

For me, the truth is so amazing, we are being bum fucked every day and people just bend over and take it with a stupid fucking text faced thumb racing blankness.  They have become victims of Facebook and the smart world of things of which they are one thing.  "Is it OK for us to locate you"?  Of course, you know where I am anyway, I can't even turn this fucking phone off with the battery out of it. 

And that's the truth.

Of course, can you blame them?  They gave up their privacy for the promise of security that they actually believed was the truth.  They believed that if they had done nothing wrong, they had nothing to worry about.  They believed that as long as the SS wasn't coming for them, they would be OK.

They believed.


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Re: The truth is so simple, the sages were almost tricksters [Re: circastes]
    #22162660 - 08/29/15 09:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

IIRC, Zen Master Huang Po said the same thing, that although it is as simple as Mind is the Buddha, and if one would simply cease conceptual discourse it would quickly be realized, the Buddha could not say something so simple without people laughing it off.  But neither could the Buddha say nothing, so came up the many formal teachings.


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Re: The truth is so simple, the sages were almost tricksters [Re: syncro] * 1
    #22163246 - 08/30/15 01:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It is simple. If you tell people it's simple though they think "it can't be that simple!"


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In accordance with this it is said, 'Fish should not be taken from (the protection of) the deep waters; the agencies for the profit of a state should not be shown to men.' But those sages (and their teachings) are the agencies for the profit of the world, and should not be exhibited to it. Therefore if an end were put to sageness and wisdom put away, the great robbers would cease to arise. If jade were put away and pearls broken to bits, the small thieves would not appear. If tallies were burned and seals broken in pieces, the people would become simple and unsophisticated.

If pecks were destroyed and steelyards snapped in two, the people would have no wrangling. If the rules of the sages were entirely set aside in the world, a beginning might be made of reasoning with the people. If the six musical accords were reduced to a state of utter confusion, organs and lutes all burned, and the ears of the (musicians like the) blind Khwang stopped up, all men would begin to possess and employ their (natural) power of hearing. If elegant ornaments were abolished, the five embellishing colours disused and the eyes of (men like) Lî Kû glued up, all men would begin to possess and employ their (natural) power of vision.

If the hook and line were destroyed, the compass and square thrown away, and the fingers of men (like) the artful Khui smashed, all men would begin to possess and employ their (natural) skill;-- as it is said, 'The greatest art is like stupidity.' If conduct such as that of Tsang (Shan) and Shih (Khiû) were discarded, the mouths of Yang (Kû) and Mo (Tî) gagged, and benevolence and righteousness seized and thrown aside, the virtue of all men would begin to display its mysterious excellence. When men possessed and employed their (natural) power of vision, there would be no distortion in the world.

When they possessed and employed their (natural) power of hearing, there would be no distractions in the world. When they possessed and employed their (natural) faculty of knowledge, there would be no delusions in the world. When they possessed and employed their (natural) virtue, there would be no depravity in the world. Men like Tsang (Shan), Shih (Khiû), Yang (Kû), Mo (Tî), Shih Khwang (the musician), the artist Khui, and Lî Kû, all display their qualities outwardly, and set the world in a blaze (of admiration) and confound it;-- a method which is of no use!




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So suffering and misery is all in the mind?  Tell that to the kids in Africa that are being recruited to child-armies and if they refuse they get their arms hacked off.  Tell them it's all in their mind. 

Tell the families of the journalist that got his head cut off that his and their suffering is all in the mind.

You honestly think all that is in the mind?  Or is it just "Out of sight, out of mind, therefor it doesn't exist" for you?

No wonder the devil is laughing.




It is in your mind. How you look at it is up to you. The world does not feel this way and certainly not that way thus you decide how it feels.


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Suffering is forgetting who you really are.

We suffer when we don’t see this completeness – this intimacy – within the present experience. When we don’t see that every wave that’s presently appearing is part of the ocean and therefore allowed in the ocean, we start trying to escape this moment to attempt to reach the next moment. We experience ourselves as not whole or somehow broken so we attempt to move away from this moment. In truth, that movement is not actually possible but we try anyway because that’s how we are programmed. We try to move away from this moment to get to the next moment, to tomorrow or next year or to ten years time. We start to use time to achieve this. This is the origin of suffering. We try to escape what’s happening now. We try to run away from aspects of our present experience. We try to escape these thoughts, sensations and feelings and get to a future place where things will be better. That’s the movement of suffering.

Within suffering you’ll always find seeking. Seeking is the basic mechanism behind all of our suffering. We label certain elements of experience ‘bad’ or ‘negative’ or ‘dark’ or ‘dangerous’ or ‘unhealthy’ and that’s because of our conditioning. We have been conditioned to label things as ‘fear’, ‘sadness’, ‘anger’, and do on, and to judge these as negative, or not-okay, or bad, or sinful – basically as expressions of incompleteness, as threats to completeness. Because we don’t seethe completeness in these waves, because we can’t find the ocean within these so-called ‘negative’ waves, we try to escape them and that movement ‘away from’ creates the suffering. Then we create stories and identities around this suffering: ‘Oh, I’m a victim of my suffering. I’m a victim of fear and pain! Why is this happening to me? How can I escape this experience?‘

Suffering is a great teacher. Maybe it’s the best teacher but we often don’t see that, because we don’t realise what suffering really is. Normally, we do all sorts of things to avoid, deny and numb our suffering. We take medication, drink alcohol or try to distract ourselves. Of course, there’s ultimately nothing with doing these things either! But suffering is always an opportunity; it’s an invitation to discover the completeness in what you are running away from. Which aspects of your experience right now are not okay? Which waves (thoughts, sensations, and feelings) of the ocean are being rejected right now? Which waves are not being seen as part of the ocean? Basically, what are you at war with? This is always the question that suffering leads you to.

Within the experience of suffering you’ll always find seeking. You can believe as much as you like that you’re not seeking, or that you are free from the self, but whenever there’s suffering there’s seeking. It’s the story of ‘me’ looking for something, escaping something; it’s the story of incompleteness or of feeling that there’s something wrong with you. So, the invitation – not a demand – is to take a look at what you are at war with right now. What’s the story? What are the images you are trying to hold up? What are you defending? What are you rejecting? What are you running away from? Look a little deeper. Perhaps these images of yourself are not who you really are. Maybe these stories don’t define you.

We suffer when we try to hold up images of ourselves – ‘I’m strong, I’m enlightened, I’m a success, I’m loving, I’m kind, I’m happy’ – which conflict with life as it is. And in the end, all images conflict with life as it is – no image can match this moment. This moment is the fire that burns up all images. In this moment there could be pain, sadness, fear –any image that says that what’s appearing shouldn’t be appearing, that you should be happy, or free from pain, is a false image.





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Re: The truth is so simple, the sages were almost tricksters [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22163843 - 08/30/15 09:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Affirmed in me from Mooji's talk above is that, if it can be perceived, then it can be dismissed (as being something I can take hold of).


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Re: The truth is so simple, the sages were almost tricksters [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22163955 - 08/30/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Within the experience of suffering you’ll always find seeking. You can believe as much as you like that you’re not seeking, or that you are free from the self, but whenever there’s suffering there’s seeking. It’s the story of ‘me’ looking for something, escaping something; it’s the story of incompleteness or of feeling that there’s something wrong with you. So, the invitation – not a demand – is to take a look at what you are at war with right now. What’s the story? What are the images you are trying to hold up? What are you defending? What are you rejecting? What are you running away from? Look a little deeper. Perhaps these images of yourself are not who you really are. Maybe these stories don’t define you.

We suffer when we try to hold up images of ourselves – ‘I’m strong, I’m enlightened, I’m a success, I’m loving, I’m kind, I’m happy’ – which conflict with life as it is. And in the end, all images conflict with life as it is – no image can match this moment. This moment is the fire that burns up all images. In this moment there could be pain, sadness, fear –any image that says that what’s appearing shouldn’t be appearing, that you should be happy, or free from pain, is a false image.



Fuckin' right on man.


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Re: The truth is so simple, the sages were almost tricksters [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22166189 - 08/30/15 07:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Good stuff there Eggtimer!!:thumbup:


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Re: The truth is so simple, the sages were almost tricksters [Re: Boomertown]
    #22166860 - 08/30/15 09:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Eggtimer said:
Within the experience of suffering you’ll always find seeking. You can believe as much as you like that you’re not seeking, or that you are free from the self, but whenever there’s suffering there’s seeking. It’s the story of ‘me’ looking for something, escaping something; it’s the story of incompleteness or of feeling that there’s something wrong with you. So, the invitation – not a demand – is to take a look at what you are at war with right now. What’s the story? What are the images you are trying to hold up? What are you defending? What are you rejecting? What are you running away from? Look a little deeper. Perhaps these images of yourself are not who you really are. Maybe these stories don’t define you.

We suffer when we try to hold up images of ourselves – ‘I’m strong, I’m enlightened, I’m a success, I’m loving, I’m kind, I’m happy’ – which conflict with life as it is. And in the end, all images conflict with life as it is – no image can match this moment. This moment is the fire that burns up all images. In this moment there could be pain, sadness, fear –any image that says that what’s appearing shouldn’t be appearing, that you should be happy, or free from pain, is a false image.



Fuckin' right on man.




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Good stuff there Eggtimer!!:thumbup:




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Re: The truth is so simple, the sages were almost tricksters [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #22167830 - 08/31/15 06:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

LE you seem to be talking about the relative truth of the world, OP seems to be talking about the simplicity of absolute truth, neither should be ignored. A fundamental part of what's going on in this world is distracting us from the absolute truth of ourselves, imo its realization is the most powerful remedy to the suffering in the world.

It's beyond simple really, beyond all ideas, beyond everything.


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Re: The truth is so simple, the sages were almost tricksters [Re: Chronic7] * 1
    #22170556 - 08/31/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I would still like some clarification on the existence of child armies in Africa that cut the hands off of children who won't conform.

Is it your position that:

They only exist inside my head, therefor they don't exist in your reality since you've somehow transcended suffering.
The suffering they experience is only in their head and a result of "seeking" something (mainly freedom)?
The don't really suffer if I don't think they're suffering?

I'm still confused as to how atrocities in the world that I know very little about yet still exist is somehow the result of my own personal thought process.  I don't personally suffer as a result of the existence of child armies, but I can promise that the 8 year old who got their arm cut off certainly is.  And to say it is simply a product of their own mind is nonsense.  To deny their existence is deplorable.


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Re: The truth is so simple, the sages were almost tricksters [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #22170748 - 08/31/15 07:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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MrBlueYoMind said:
I would still like some clarification on the existence of child armies in Africa that cut the hands off of children who won't conform.

Is it your position that:

They only exist inside my head, therefor they don't exist in your reality since you've somehow transcended suffering.
The suffering they experience is only in their head and a result of "seeking" something (mainly freedom)?
The don't really suffer if I don't think they're suffering?

I'm still confused as to how atrocities in the world that I know very little about yet still exist is somehow the result of my own personal thought process.  I don't personally suffer as a result of the existence of child armies, but I can promise that the 8 year old who got their arm cut off certainly is.  And to say it is simply a product of their own mind is nonsense.  To deny their existence is deplorable.




I think we're talking about two different kinds of suffering here. As the Buddha [supposedly] said:

"Life is pain, the world is full of suffering, but the path to release from suffering has been found. There is salvation for those who go the way of the Buddha."

See how he mentions the world being full of suffering aside of the path of your own release from suffering?

Two different things man. Suffering always goes on in the world, always has. You suffer by those events if you choose to. You also suffer through simply being a human and dealing with your emotions. As was suggested in the OP:

"All you need to find out is you need a 7/10 or 8/10 ability to control your own mind"

I think he's onto something there personally. Perhaps with a greater level of control (actually I don't like the word control, as I don't think it's possible to 'control' the mind) focus the suffering decreases further. I suspect this to be the case.


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Re: The truth is so simple, the sages were almost tricksters [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #22170750 - 08/31/15 07:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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MrBlueYoMind said:
I would still like some clarification on the existence of child armies in Africa that cut the hands off of children who won't conform.

Is it your position that:

They only exist inside my head, therefor they don't exist in your reality since you've somehow transcended suffering.
The suffering they experience is only in their head and a result of "seeking" something (mainly freedom)?
The don't really suffer if I don't think they're suffering?

I'm still confused as to how atrocities in the world that I know very little about yet still exist is somehow the result of my own personal thought process.  I don't personally suffer as a result of the existence of child armies, but I can promise that the 8 year old who got their arm cut off certainly is.  And to say it is simply a product of their own mind is nonsense.  To deny their existence is deplorable.




My sentiments exactly. Thank you for saying that, Mister.


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Re: The truth is so simple, the sages were almost tricksters [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22170777 - 08/31/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Jsb, I think he's saying it's a little, well, off for comparatively rich white kids with computers to make declarations about suffering when there is very palpable and tangible suffering going on at multiple levels, at multiple locations.  I agree with him.  Everything is not all right.


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Re: The truth is so simple, the sages were almost tricksters [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22170799 - 08/31/15 07:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ah I see. I missed the underlying subtlety there!

Thanks for pointing that out man. Yeah, I think the world is one big 'ol fuckin' ball of suffering myself, and I'm certainly not doing a lot to make it better (although I really try where I can). I guess I think that making a start on at least managing one's own suffering to the best of one's ability is a good a start as any!! Then you can spread love (why does that sound so fucking cliche?) as much as you can!


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Re: The truth is so simple, the sages were almost tricksters [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22170822 - 08/31/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, I feel you there.  As they say, the best way to help others is to help oneself first.  A lot of people try to extend their sympathies and aid to others, when in fact they have not done enough work on themselves to qualify for that.  I also do what I can, when I can.

Frankly, I think participating in the Shroomery is putting a little bit of good into the world, honestly.  And at the very least it puts us in good stead as citizens of democracies.  It doesn't get a whole lot more democratic than this place! :smile:


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Re: The truth is so simple, the sages were almost tricksters [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #22170851 - 08/31/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Frankly, I think participating in the Shroomery is putting a little bit of good into the world, honestly.



Yeah man, fuckin right on. I dream of a life where everything I do is putting a bit of good into the world, striving for anything less than that seems like a bloody wasted life to me. I feel quite secure in the fact I'll never make it there, but it's the trying with every breath that counts right?


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Re: The truth is so simple, the sages were almost tricksters [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22170884 - 08/31/15 07:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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A lot of people try to extend their sympathies and aid to others, when in fact they have not done enough work on themselves to qualify for that.



I've also seen this come out in the most incredible ways. So often entirely non-conducive to what one is trying to achieve!


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Re: The truth is so simple, the sages were almost tricksters [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #22171518 - 08/31/15 09:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

HALP I'm a victim of my own suffering.
Help I'm suffering help help I"M suffering.

Stop trying to save the world and just start being. Sure if you see someone who needs help then help them. Trying to "civilize" and control peoples is what has caused this suffering.
"The white man's burden" and all the bullshit.
We are nature we come from the earth we are not civilizations. There's nothing wrong with that but the farther we get from our innate nature the more blind we become. 
My meaning of life is found by looking inward not outward. You will never find it out there until you find it in yourself. Once you do then it's everywhere you look.



I know it's a lot to read but if you want to understand this will help.
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The filial son who does not flatter his father, and the loyal minister who does not fawn on his ruler, are the highest examples of a minister and a son.
When a son assents to all that his father says, and approves of all that his father does, common opinion pronounces him an unworthy son; when a minister assents to all that his ruler says, and approves of all that his ruler does, common opinion pronounces him an unworthy minister. Nor does any one reflect that this view is necessarily correct.
But when common opinion (itself) affirms anything and men therefore assent to it, or counts anything good and men also approve of it, then it is not said that they are mere consenters and flatterers;-- is common opinion then more authoritative than a father, or more to be honoured than a ruler?
Tell a man that he is merely following (the opinions) of another, or that he is a flatterer of others, and at once he flushes with anger. And yet all his life he is merely following others, and flattering them. His illustrations are made to agree with theirs; his phrases are glossed:-- to win the approbation of the multitudes.
From first to last, from beginning to end, he finds no fault with their views. He will let his robes hang down, display the colours on them, and arrange his movements and bearing, so as to win the favour of his age, and yet not call himself a flatterer.
He is but a follower of those others, approving and disapproving as they do, and yet he will not say that he is one of them. This is the height of stupidity.

He who knows his stupidity is not very stupid; he who knows that he is under a delusion is not greatly deluded. He who is greatly deluded will never shake the delusion off; he who is very stupid will all his life not become intelligent.
If three men be walking together, and (only) one of them be under a delusion (as to their way), they may yet reach their goal, the deluded being the fewer; but if two of them be under the delusion, they will not do so, the deluded being the majority.
At the present time, when the whole world is under a delusion, though I pray men to go in the right direction, I cannot make them do so;-- is it not a sad case?

Grand music does not penetrate the ears of villagers; but if they hear 'The Breaking of the Willow,' or 'The Bright Flowers,' they will roar with laughter. So it is that lofty words do not remain in the minds of the multitude, and that perfect words are not heard, because the vulgar words predominate.
By two earthenware instruments the (music of) a bell will be confused, and the pleasure that it would afford cannot be obtained. At the present time the whole world is under a delusion, and though I wish to go in a certain direction, how can I succeed in doing so?
Knowing that I cannot do so, if I were to try to force my way, that would be another delusion. Therefore my best course is to let my purpose go, and no more pursue it. If I do not pursue it, whom shall I have to share in my sorrow?

If an ugly man have a son born to him at midnight, he hastens with a light to look at it. Very eagerly he does so, only afraid that it may be like himself.


'In the age of perfect virtue they attached no value to wisdom, nor employed men of ability. Superiors were (but) as the higher branches of a tree; and the people were like the deer of the wild.
They were upright and correct, without knowing that to be so was Righteousness; they loved one another, without knowing that to do so was Benevolence; they were honest and leal-hearted,
without knowing that it was Loyalty; they fulfilled their engagements, without knowing that to do so was Good Faith;
in their simple movements they employed the services of one another, without thinking that they were conferring or receiving any gift. Therefore their actions left no trace, and there was no record of their affairs.'

'I should like to hear about (the government of) the kindly, virtuous men,' (continued Yüan Fung). The reply was, 'Under the government of the virtuous, when quietly occupying (their place), they have no thought, and, when they act, they have no anxiety; they do not keep stored (in their minds) what is right and what is wrong, what is good and what is bad.
They share their benefits among all within the four seas, and this produces what is called (the state of) satisfaction; they dispense their gifts to all, and this produces what is called (the state of) rest.

(The people) grieve (on their death) like babies who have lost their mothers, and are perplexed like travellers who have lost their way. They have a superabundance of wealth and all necessaries,
and they know not whence it comes; they have a sufficiency of food and drink, and they know not from whom they get it:-- such are the appearances (under the government) of the kindly and virtuous.'

'I should like to hear about (the government of) the spirit-like men,' (continued Yüan Fung once more).

The reply was, 'Men of the highest spirit-like qualities mount up on the light, and (the limitations of) the body vanish. This we call being bright and ethereal. They carry out to the utmost the powers with which they are endowed, and have not a single attribute unexhausted.
Their joy is that of heaven and earth, and all embarrassments of affairs melt away and disappear; all things return to their proper nature:-- and this is what is called (the state of) chaotic obscurity.'







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Re: The truth is so simple, the sages were almost tricksters [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22172266 - 09/01/15 01:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)




^^^This is pretty much spot on, eggtimer knows what's up.
We only truly suffer when we run from the pain.

Otherwise it's just pain...a part of life.
Once you accept the ups AND the downs of life, the swings aren't so bad.

enlightenment isn't being in some permanently happy or euphoric state--it's simply accepting everything, without resistance. it's a deep deep awareness of our infinite nature.

the possibilities are limitless.


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