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Is it ethically wrong
#22159275 - 08/29/15 04:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Let's just assume you've been totally candid about the condition of a car, all it's problems and issues, the fact you bought a new car because you didn't think the one for sale was going to last much longer, basically hiding absolutely 0 in an effort to make the sale of a car you know is on it's last legs.
Is it ethically wrong to sell it? I mean generally speaking, how could it be, they've been told everything and know "what they're getting into". But there are a lot of people out there who don't really know what they're getting into. They look at a car that's falling apart (but still running) and think it'll probably last them awhile.
Only reason I'm even considering it is to offer someone a very cheap car that could get them from A to B when they might not be able to really afford anything better. (We're talking a few hundred dollars).
As of this moment, the car runs, runs like shit, but it moves. I can pass inspection and has recently. It's just a 20 year old car that has been consistently neglected.
I put up an entire page ad for it on Craigslist, and was very explicit int he details and encouraged them to come check it out themselves, bring someone mechanically inclined and even made the worst sales pitch in history, but still somehow I kinda feel guilty in offering it up. It could go another 50k miles, it could break down tomorrow, I really don't know. Yet this is true with all used cars.
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Re: Is it ethically wrong [Re: Shroomslip]
#22159278 - 08/29/15 04:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you're clear about it and the price is accordingly low, yes thats ethical.
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Re: Is it ethically wrong [Re: Asante]
#22159289 - 08/29/15 04:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Somehow I still feel like a piece of shit for doing it. I also feel like a piece of shit for just junking a running car that I'd be happy getting rid of for next to nothing (I'm not really charging more than the junkyard would pay). I'm not willing to just give it away, whether from someone else or a junkyard, the money could be useful. But I'm selling a piece of shit.
It really just comes down to, am I doing right by giving someone the chance to have a car that runs, but has tons of issues, or should I just prevent putting anyone in that situation for their own good I dunno I have some pretty deep internal conflict about it. All of our cars have been highly used and cheap, and they've all came with issues. The only thing that sets me apart, is that I'm asking a reasonable price. Short of a giant stroke of luck or some friend/family running to the rescue, no one is going to find a running car that was a daily driver this cheap.
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Re: Is it ethically wrong [Re: Shroomslip]
#22159297 - 08/29/15 04:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm glad to see that you have a robustly developed conscience, that seems to become ever rarer.
If the buyer knows he buys an uncertain future its really OK - if you are clear about it it becomes his responsibility.
Its his responsibility to hear you out and check it out. If you are honest, it's up to him.
Maybe you get a guy who wants it for parts or who buys cars for monstertruck events or just to Tannerite the fuck out of it.
Maybe a turbo Christian buys it and the thing drives for 10 years more on ducktape and a prayer 
Do it right, if you do it right, its on him.
Really, I'm glad you are so damn decent about this, in used cars most people are liars.
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Re: Is it ethically wrong [Re: Asante]
#22159316 - 08/29/15 05:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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As much as I'd like to take credit for being that good of a person, it probably has more to do with me being ripped off on cars more than anything else. Every single car we've bought has "been great" until a week or so in. Then you start noticing a lot of problems. People go out of their way to make sure a car runs good and seems fine just to sell it faster. (Though I've never been ripped off on a dirt bike, but when I sold mine on Craigslist, I left it cold, so they'd know exactly how it was acting, it was the mother of all bitches to get started cold.)
The latest car, I didn't go by that. I looked for actual signs of it's condition you can't hide. I ran tests in the driving to determine it's issues (opposed to just calmly driving to "check"). I purposely went out of my way to make the car show issues. In the end, it showed little more than the obvious ones I made in the inspection, and the one issue the owner fully disclosed. We paid almost 1k less than it was actually worth in it's condition. We got it home, and I started in fixing it up, and ran into some issues, but they were all minor. After a few bucks on fuses and tracing electrical connections, it was back to the shape it was in when we bought it, and then went ahead with the rest of the repairs. I'm | | this close to getting it to pass inspection.
Not everyone has the experience I do though. I'm not even a guru on it, I just know enough now to not get ripped off. While what I offer isn't a rip off by any stretch, I kinda can't help but put myself in their shoes. They're optimistic about getting a cheap running car, and then turns out it's a total piece of shit. I dunno if me being up front with that, matters, because I was never afforded that information. Every car we've gotten has been a "great daily driver with no issues" and priced accordingly.
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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way. I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today. Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear. I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear. You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline
Edited by Shroomslip (08/29/15 05:36 AM)
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Re: Is it ethically wrong [Re: Shroomslip]
#22159856 - 08/29/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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i'm selling my old shitty car too and advertising it with honesty
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Re: Is it ethically wrong [Re: Shroomslip]
#22160193 - 08/29/15 11:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes in my opinion it's definitely ethically wrong to fuck your dad even if it is consensual.
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Re: Is it ethically wrong [Re: Moonshoe]
#22160201 - 08/29/15 11:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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As long as you are not hiding the fact that it'll break down soon, it's ethical
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Re: Is it ethically wrong [Re: Moonshoe]
#22160221 - 08/29/15 11:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Yes in my opinion it's definitely ethically wrong to fuck your dad even if it is consensual.
What the hell does that have to do with anything? You might as well of said it's ethically wrong to strangle someone to death during anal sex, even if they consented. Neither really have anything to do with the question.
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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way. I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today. Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear. I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear. You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline
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Re: Is it ethically wrong [Re: Shroomslip]
#22160280 - 08/29/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Last year I bought a subaru from a dealership. It had 100k miles on it and it test drove great. Of course they didn't tell me that it had any problems. I took out a loan and bought it. I drove it for a week and a half and then the reverse gear stopped working. It is manual transmission and when I put it in reverse, it would always pop out. I had to figure out ways to park where I didn't need to use reverse. Well, I was shitting bricks because I hadn't even made one payment on it and a car that can't go in reverse is fucking useless. So, I went back to the dealership and layed into them. They rebuilt the transmission with new parts for free. Now it runs like a champ. I just hope that it continues to run well.
Anyway, I was pissed that they tried to hide its problems when I bought it so that they could get the full retail price. I think if they were upfront and honest, I wouldn't have bought it.
OP, I think you are being ethical by stating the true conditions of the car. As long as the buyer knows what he is getting into, you have nothing to worry about.
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Re: Is it ethically wrong [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#22160292 - 08/29/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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dude, you putting that on the dealership is kinda fucked up.
your asking the techs that did the used car inspection to have a magic wand.
it may have been shady, but chances are it was working when they took it in on trade.. plus they made it right.
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Re: Is it ethically wrong [Re: rackem]
#22160321 - 08/29/15 11:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Maybe it was fine when they got it. It could have been coincidence, I don't know. But, the way they fixed it without question made me suspect. I do commend them for fixing it though and I would buy from the again, because they clearly wanted to keep the customer happy.
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Re: Is it ethically wrong [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#22160332 - 08/29/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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maybe it was covered under powertrain warranty... whos to say. but a fresh rebuild is always nice either way.
9 times out of ten a salesperson doesnt know exactly what was done to the vehicle all he knows its another seat for him to fill.
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Re: Is it ethically wrong [Re: rackem]
#22160357 - 08/29/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I suppose you're right. I am happy with the outcome. I would go so far as to recommend this dealer to other prospective drivers because they had excellent customer service.
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Re: Is it ethically wrong [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#22160373 - 08/29/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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thats a solid statement
most dealers do not
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Re: Is it ethically wrong [Re: Shroomslip]
#22160923 - 08/29/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is it ethically wrong to sell it? Hell no. It's called an As Is sale and they happen all the time. The fact that you're disclosing it's piece of shit status just means you're a decent person.
Just don't let the poor bastard that buys it haggle you down.

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Re: Is it ethically wrong [Re: Shroomslip]
#22160991 - 08/29/15 02:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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My gramps was all about buying new cars, he used to say used cars were full of another persons problems, which makes sense.
Anyway, as long as you're honest about the car, and I do mean totally honest, then you have nothing to worry about.
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Re: Is it ethically wrong [Re: Shroomslip]
#22161095 - 08/29/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The only ethical thing to do is spend your own money and time to find out everything you possibly can that is wrong with the car and type it all up. You then have to take the car and leave it somewhere with the keys and problems list in it so that someone can take it for free if they want to.
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