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EAT’S EASY OAT PREP™ * 18
    #22158748 - 08/28/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:chief:METHOD 1: BOILED WATER SOAK OAT PREP :chief:



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I've been using Fooman's Grain Tek to prepare WBS with a "boiled water bath" with great success. I find this method simple and works well. I wanted to use a similar method with Oat Grain. I also use a 2nd method that involves bringing the grain to a rolling boil then reducing the heat for 25 minutes. The two methods are listed below.

No reason to make anything complicated, so let's skip the background history and descriptions of Whole oats in hopes that you can figure that kind of thing out on your own. Who wants to be a SLAVE TO THE GRAIN? I know I don't.

The intention of this method is to reduce the grain preparation time while making things easy when you have dual loads of work. The less attention and pouring one has to do the better. Each time you fill a pot of water and pour it, creates more work. Lets keep it simple and do one pour.

10 different Oat prep Methods have been attempted(all successful). But none of them seem to be perfect for the situation needed. This involves being able to begin a batch of grain that day, prep it and have the grain pressure cooked and finished cooling within 2-3 hours from start to finish.

For me this method has produced the least amount of burst grains with the least effort.

My stove takes approximately 25 minutes to heat water to a rolling boil. Take the pot off heat. Pour your grain into the boiled water. You then set the timer for 45 minutes. So you won't need to do any paying attention until the timer goes off. I'm not looking at the grain or tending to it. All I do is put the timer on.

This timing and ease may not be your goal, and if not, there are a number of different Oat prep methods. The issue is, in all other methods, the Oats seem to have more moisture on the outside than other grains. The grains also have more bursts than wanted.   

Additionally, this method does not need to be tended to. Waiting a full day for grain to soak is not ideal. Neither is having to take 2.5 hours cooking grain and more than an hour prepping it. This method is the easiest in that regard as all I do is boil water, dump grain in, put a timer on, pour out water, load up jars. Boom done!

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  • A big metal pot
  • Premium Race Horse oats

  • Wire mesh with Strainer

  • Quart Jars with pp5 lids and SFD's(Synthetic Filter Disks) There is a build write up at the bottom of this thread on how I prepare my lids. Any filters should work. You can use Unmodified Lids or regular lids the way I do them with Synthetic Filter Discs. I prefer the SFD lids for two reasons. 1) When you are shaking your jars you have to tighten unmodified lids then loosen them after the shake. If you are doing 20 plus quart jars that is 40 extra turns of quart jar lids. That will add up after time. I prefer to inoculate with LI(liquid inoculate) and not shake the jars at all. This is far less work than shaking, then twisting lids 40 plus times. If you are doing 100 quarts, that is over 200 jar lid turns every time you shake your jars. This is not ideal for my situation. If you do 10 quarts. It would be easy. The extra effort put up front in building lids with SFD's is definitely worth the time you save in the long run. Add up 200 lid turns every 2 weeks for a full year and you have 5,200 lid turns per year. Where I spent a good 5 hours building a few hundred SFD lids, you spent hour and hours twisting and turning lids. You also have to remember which lids you twisted and turned.

    How Eat Rock's His Lids

    Top view of SFD on lids.



    Bottom view of SFD on lids



    Procedure:

    1. Measure 4.5 dry quarts of Whole Race Horse Oats per 10 quarts jars you want filled.  This will fill your jars 3/4 full after the pressure cooker cycle.


    2. Set the grain aside in a large metal pot.


    3.  Fill a large pot 3/4th full of water or high enough to double over the height of grain. Place the pot on the stove,. Put the stove temp on high. Place the lid on the pot. On my stove, it takes approximately 20 minutes for the water in the pot below to get to a rolling boil. (Stove, pot size, water volumes, temps may vary so adjust settings based on your setup)


    4. Once water is to a rolling boil similar to the picture below you take the pot off the heat source.


    5. Dump your dry grain into the boiled water. Put the lid back on your pot. Set your timer for 45 minutes.


    Smoke a bowl or joint. :gethigh:

    6. After 45 minutes, pour your grain out in the strainer so that you don't burn yourself. I let the grain sit for 10 minutes in the strainer so the outside of each grain is not dripping wet. Grain looks like this.



    7. Load grain into quart jars by eye about 3/4th full. Place the pp5 lids on with about a 1/4 turn. Don't make newb mistakes and twist the lids on too tight or you will not be able to remove them after the pc cycle.  Pressure cook for an hour and 15 minutes. Some people do 90 minutes. Do what works best for you. Jars ready to load into the pressure cooker.



    8. Pressure cook for 90 minutes at 15psi. Once the pressure cooker is cool enough to the touch and the pressure has released you are ready to remove the jars. Using a hot pad, You can tighten the lid a little. Then shake your jars and place them on a shelf. Now the jars are ready for inoculation.

    This is how the quarts look right after they are taken out of the pressure cooker and shaken. The jars are still warm.

    30 minute bath time    45 minute bath time    60 minute bath time


    This is what the quarts look like a day later.


    Here are the same jars g2ged. There are 2 Burma culture clones growing side by side. Shaken on day 3 colonized on day 6.

    30 Minute Bath prepped grain 6 days growth with a shake on day 3


    To come to the conclusion of a 45 minute soak time. 3 times were tested. 30 mins, 45 mins, 60 mins. All of the times worked. So the compromise was 45 mins to get the grain slightly plumper.

    3 times side by side G2G 6 day growth. Shaken on the 3rd day.



    So far, this method allows for the least amount of burst grain and the least amount of effort.


    Total prep time for grain to cool:

    20 mins to boil water
    45 mins for grain soak
    10 minutes strain
    90 mins for pressure cook
    2 hours 45 minutes and your jars are cooling.

    :chief:METHOD 2: BOILED OAT PREP :chief:

    Materials:

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  • A big metal pot
  • Premium Race Horse oats

  • Wire Mesh Strainer

  • Quart Jars with pp5 lids and SFD's(Synthetic Filter Disks)



Procedure:

1. Measure 4.5 dry quarts of Whole Race Horse Oats per 10 quarts jars you want filled.  This will fill your jars 3/4 full after the pressure cooker cycle.


2. Dump your grain in a large metal pot.



3.  Fill a large pot with water high enough to double over the height of grain. Place the pot on the stove,. Put the stove temp on high. Place the lid on the pot. On my stove, it takes approximately 20 minutes for the water in the pot below to get to a rolling boil. (Stove, pot size, water volumes, temps may vary so adjust settings based on your setup)


4. Once water is to a rolling boil similar to the picture below you reduce your heat to medium. You want to keep a steady bubble to the top of the grain. Not a violent boil, a rolling boil with light bubbling along the top.


5. Set your timer for 20 minutes. Keep the water at the rolling boil for the duration of the 20 minutes.
****recently i have the dame brand grain but for some reason the latest batch is more heat sensitive. So its been overcooking the grain. I reduced this time to 15 minutes and it has improved everything. If you find you are having too many burst grain, reduce the time to 15 minutes. This hasnt been an issue in 5 years with the same brand but i think seasonal variation may be an issue with grain due to conditions of growth ect. This small adjustment had made a huge difference.

Smoke a bowl or joint. :gethigh:

6. After 20 minutes, pour your grain out in the strainer so that you don't burn yourself. I rinse the grain with cold tap water, then I let the grain sit for 10 minutes in the strainer so the outside of each grain is not dripping wet. Grain looks like this. You could load it immediately after the steam is gone and lower prep time by 10 minutes.



7. Load grain into quart jars by eye about 3/4th full. Place the pp5 lids on with about a 1/4 turn. Don't make newb mistakes and twist the lids on too tight or you will not be able to remove them after the pc cycle.  Pressure cook for an hour and 15 minutes. Some people do 90 minutes. Do what works best for you. Jars ready to load into the pressure cooker.


8. Pressure cook for 90 minutes at 15psi. Once the pressure cooker is cool enough to the touch and the pressure has released you are ready to remove the jars. Using a hot pad, You can tighten the lid a little. Then shake your jars and place them on a shelf. Now the jars are ready for inoculation.

This is how the quarts look a day after they are taken out of the pressure cooker and shaken.


Method 1 has the least grain burst, method 2 is the fastest oat prep method.

Total prep time for grain to cool:
20 mins to boil water
20 mins for grain soak in rolling boiled water
10 minutes strain
90 mins for pressure cook
2 hours 20 minutes and your jars are cooling.

Here is a sample of grows from the grain prepared in this post.

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Here is a sample of grows from the grain prepared in this post.
















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After you are done preparing grain jars it’s time to liquid inoculate.

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Re: Oat Notes [Re: eatyualive]
    #22164178 - 08/30/15 10:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Oats.  They take a lickin' and keep on tickin'.

49 quart jars plus 3 pint jars of whole oats soaked for 2 hours, hard boiled for 29 minutes, cooled, loaded, capped, foiled and ready to throw in the sterilizer.


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Re: Oat Notes [Re: hamloaf]
    #22165323 - 08/30/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

nice hamloaf. ill give yours a go soon on the next batch with the 2 hour soak. so far ive g2ged and liquid inoculated a bunch of jars. i have LI leap off side by side with oats and wbs with the same culture.

Oats Vs WBS Day 2 Same AA+ Culture Liquid inoculated



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Re: Oat Notes [Re: eatyualive]
    #22174921 - 09/01/15 05:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

side by side of days 3-5 LI: Oats Vs WBS


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Re: Oat Notes [Re: eatyualive]
    #22174979 - 09/01/15 05:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Cool bro.

Here goes the 4th time consecutive in a week that whole oats were prepped.  The method's that's being settled upon is a 2 hour hot water soak then a 20 minute hard boil.  Place in colanders top cool, load media vessel, pressure sterilize quart jars for 2 hours A 17 psi.  Oats come out looking like this everytime.



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Re: Oat Notes [Re: hamloaf]
    #22174991 - 09/01/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

looks damn good. when i free up some jars ill give it a go. right now, i filled all the jars and used a 50lb bag of oats already! all that and drove about 15 hours and worked 40 plus.:evil:


with the hot water, is it hot tap? or are you putting the water on the stove?


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Re: Oat Notes [Re: eatyualive]
    #22175000 - 09/01/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hot tap water.  As hot as I can stand it.


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Re: Oat Notes [Re: hamloaf]
    #22203595 - 09/07/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Trying this now sir ham.


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Re: Oat Notes [Re: eatyualive]
    #22203631 - 09/07/15 06:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Oat Grain Prep Methods I've tried:
1. 12 hour soak, boiled water added then soaked. Pced as is
2. 25 minute rolling boil, strain, pc
3. 12 hour soak, 15 minte boil, strain, pc
4. Bring grain to rolling boil, reduce to medium, 25 minute rolling boil, strain, pc.
5. 12 hour soak, add to water that is at a rolling boil , take off heat let sit 15 minutes, strain, pc.
6. Plain room temp 12 hour soak, strain, pc.
7. bring grain and water to rolling boil set timer for 15 minutes strain, load pc.
8. bring grain and water to rolling boil set timer for 10 minutes, strain, load pc.
9. bring water to a rolling boil. remove from heat source. dump grain in. let it bathe for 30 minutes. strain out. load up.


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Re: Oat Notes [Re: eatyualive]
    #22203893 - 09/07/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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My oats weren't super clean. A good amount of rabbit pellets and corn were in the bag. Also straw chunks and beans.

Quote:


    Hey do you bring yours to a rolling boil then reduce heat for 30mins? Or do you boil on high for 30 mins?




I use a rolling boil for 20 to 25 minutes. Then I  strain and jar while the oats are still fairly wet.

Quote:

when you say 20-25 minutes. do you bring it to the rolling boil, then set the timer for 20-25 mins?





I start the timer once the water gets boiling.


--I believe you would then need to reduce heat to keep the oats at a rolling boil.


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Re: Oat Notes [Re: eatyualive]
    #22515675 - 11/12/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

here is a one hour boiled water soak. then 1 hour 15 minute pressure cooking after the jars were taken out of the pc. jars are still warm.



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Re: Oat Notes [Re: eatyualive]
    #22832178 - 01/27/16 09:24 PM (8 years, 3 days ago)

I think this thread support what I was thinking about recovery time versus colonization times.

Water tends to facilitate recovery and leap off BUT a dryer grain colonizes faster.

The 30 min boiled grains took the lead....but in the end the 45 min jars where not far enough behind that when shook, the recovery resulted in a better colonized jar in the end. The most hydrated of the group, performed the worst

Did you record any of the actual moisture content data!?


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    #22948557 - 02/26/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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    #22948667 - 02/26/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

camplo,

no didn't record the moisture content.


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    #22991819 - 03/10/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

Either way thanks for sharing, these two methods are preferable for someone like me, looking to get grain properly prepped in minimal time.


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    #23018970 - 03/18/16 12:09 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

Oats are awesome


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    #23019308 - 03/18/16 03:03 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

And here I was making my local feed store order rye for me!! Looks like daddy's got a new racehorse to feed lol! I don't know what rock I was living under because oats pop up everywhere when I UTFSE. Thanks for the guide man! My girlfriend will love it now that I don't have to spend as much time taking over the kitchen on grain prep days :thumbup:

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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep [Re: eatyualive]
    #23303938 - 06/03/16 04:16 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

:thumbup:gonna give it a whirl


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    #23303992 - 06/03/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I'll be running oats this way for tubs and for outdoor spawning. :thumbup:


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep [Re: Adden]
    #23327585 - 06/09/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

:thumbup:

pretty easy methods. both work well. just different ways to achieve the same results.


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep [Re: eatyualive] * 1
    #24002319 - 01/11/17 08:22 PM (7 years, 18 days ago)

Quote:

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Using a heating pad, You can tighten the lid a little.






What did ya mean here?

Awesome tek! Gonna be doing oats soon!


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep [Re: RolledUhhp]
    #24107355 - 02/21/17 05:06 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

If the lid comes loose after the pressure cook. Once jars have cooled and you are about to shake them, you can use a hot pad not heating pad..so that you dont burn your hands. I generally allow the jars to fully cool. But at times you may not have the time to wait. So if you shake the jars while they are still warm use proper protection.


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep [Re: eatyualive]
    #24111287 - 02/22/17 03:29 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Awesome, thanks for the clarification!


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    #24172214 - 03/18/17 12:18 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

:takingnotes:

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    #24265981 - 04/23/17 10:24 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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    #24317348 - 05/13/17 07:05 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks dude. Just did about 80 quarts using this method! 4 days in



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    #24317434 - 05/13/17 07:50 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Still got it :rockon:


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #24352814 - 05/26/17 10:39 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

day 7.



day 9



spawn time.



another batch. so far 100% success! im a little rusty but its still working. love oats!

batch 2 day 3


day 7



the above jars were all done with liquid inoculants. they were all prepared using the rolling boil method.  the first batch had a ratio of 1 plate per 1/4 pint water, blended up and inoculated 20 quarts each. these colonized in 14-15 days.

the 2nd batch had 1 plate per 1/4 pint water blended up and poured into 10 quarts. these colonized in 7 days.


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    #24352949 - 05/27/17 12:05 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Hell ya man i been using your oat tek works great in case you want to use li or lc without over saturating the grain... i started using another dudes boiling oat tek but the grains always were on the wetter side thanks man


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    #24353471 - 05/27/17 07:37 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

you could let them sit in the strainer longer and allow all of the water to run off.  even wait an hour or two and that might solve the issue. ive seen people run fans on their grain. its really not necessary.
it could speed up the time, but you can make some small adjustments to the way you prep the grain and do away with that step. personally i don't want to wait longer. time is of the essence. :thumbup:

i use this method the same way for LI, a2g, p2g, inoculation, injection of stem tissue ect.



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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: eatyualive]
    #24376692 - 06/04/17 01:20 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

The only whole oats I have found locally so far contain a preservative called propionic acid. Does anyone know how that would affect mycelium growth?


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: eatyualive]
    #24376766 - 06/04/17 01:52 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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you could let them sit in the strainer longer and allow all of the water to run off.  even wait an hour or two and that might solve the issue. ive seen people run fans on their grain. its really not necessary.
it could speed up the time, but you can make some small adjustments to the way you prep the grain and do away with that step. personally i don't want to wait longer. time is of the essence. :thumbup:

i use this method the same way for LI, a2g, p2g, inoculation, injection of stem tissue ect.





I was trying to say your way is better then the way i used to run oats id boil till the grain was jellied in the middle i notice your way they are still some what white and i can load still a little wet and they come out perfect


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: Boogieman47]
    #24376792 - 06/04/17 02:04 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

:thumbup: cool. yeah if you cook for long periods of time your still cooking the grain.

best part of this method is i can do 3-4 batches in one full day. no soaking, no waiting. less than 3 hours and my jars are cooling on the shelf. i only have a 10 quart pc and can do 30-40 quarts in a day using this method. no switching out pressure cookers or anything. if i had to wait 8 hours or more for grain it wouldn't work into the daily schedule.

this method is convenient for free weekend and evening work. you can do a batch before you go to sleep and its ready in the morning. or start friday evening and do an all day run on saturday and have enough quart jars for plenty of myco work.

ive used oats this way with a2g, g2g, tiger drop, p2g, and liquid inoculation. it all works well and i don't adjust anything in the prep. if im limited on time. i do the slightly faster method.


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: eatyualive]
    #24376840 - 06/04/17 02:23 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Ya i just started getting back into things like i did before.. i have 2 23qt can push 60 qts a day but ive been using bags can do 6 bags in each presto per run so im trying to figure out what to do with my 200 extra jars haha..



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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: Boogieman47]
    #24376919 - 06/04/17 02:45 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

:lol: mason jars make excellent drinking cups.


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: eatyualive]
    #24376926 - 06/04/17 02:47 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Its funny my grandma asked what i want for xmas and i said i need 1 qt wide mouth jars for my shrooms she bought me 4 cases and then was bugging me about growing haha.. she was cool as fuck ... youre righ and with 4 bad ass kids who use a cup every drink i need that many cups haha


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: Boogieman47]
    #24377335 - 06/04/17 05:30 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

they are cheaper than the glasses you get at the store and if they break its like 1$ a piece. opposed to 3-4$ per cup you buy at ikea or crate and barrel.


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep [Re: eatyualive]
    #24471286 - 07/09/17 09:30 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Just tried method 1 yesterday, let the jars cool down over night. Stoked to see how it works out. Can't beat 50lbs of grain for $13!


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: Boogieman47]
    #24471296 - 07/09/17 09:33 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

woah sick, you just drilled a ton of small holes in the bottom? Ive been struggling to find good strainers I never really thought of making my own. :thumbup:


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: mrsa]
    #24471312 - 07/09/17 09:38 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Ya i had like 10 strainers arpund the house at once drying and seen my unused sgfv sitting there works great for oats if youre gonna use smaller grain youbwould need a window screen to prevent them from falling through or just drill a bunch of tiny holes


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    #24471371 - 07/09/17 10:20 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

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woah sick, you just drilled a ton of small holes in the bottom? Ive been struggling to find good strainers I never really thought of making my own. :thumbup:




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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: Boogieman47]
    #24472573 - 07/10/17 12:59 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Haha I have a nice collection of strainers. One might say I'm a strainer conniseur.


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: eatyualive]
    #24540767 - 08/09/17 06:43 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: Steevo]
    #24590037 - 08/30/17 04:42 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

I'm giving the 45 minute soak a try as well.

Have a stupid question though....With the PP5 lids, you don't have to use foil? I would love that.


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: ShroomyToons]
    #24590309 - 08/30/17 08:50 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

It depends. The foil is said to keep water from wetting your filter, PP5 lids are often used without filters, as you can just unscrew them half an inch or so and that will allow for gas exchange.

I don't use PP5 lids though, so don't take my word on it. That's just what I've made up from whatever I read here.


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: LizardWizard]
    #24590614 - 08/30/17 11:25 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

No. I use synthetic filter discs cut into circles using a dime as a template. Although I would suggest cutting square pieces so you don't waste pieces of sfd. The holes drilled in the lids are down the center and 1/4". I'll update the op with the way I do lids for clarity.

Some of the filters get wet after the initial PC. But by the time they cool the next morning they are dry. This is before I take them out of the pc. It hasn't caused me any issues.


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: eatyualive]
    #24591438 - 08/30/17 06:48 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Well that is super cool. I started saving my aluminum foil, but one more thing to store and keep track of is still a bit of a pain. It's worth the $25 to have one less step and a solid lid instead of two pieces. I got sixteen lids for about $11, so I'll need some more, but it's a start.

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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: ShroomyToons]
    #24591497 - 08/30/17 07:07 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)


THIS IS HOW EAT ROCKS HIS LIDS:



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I use RTV(high temp automotive) silicone to attach my SFD's(Synthetic Filter Discs) to my Ball Wide Mouth Quart lids.  I think it would be better to cut the pieces into squares. when you use a circle template(I use a nickel or dime) you get wasted pieces. I drill 1/4" holes down the center in the lids.  The lids do crack so keep a consistent speed till you push through the lid.

To me using these filters over other lids and filters is like the difference between riding a crappy old motor cycle and driving a brand new harley.

you could drive either and get from point A to point B. but which one would you want to drive or be seen in public driving? Also for the comfort and ease it provides having a brand new motorcycle.



Disregard the two filters. I used to have Whatman ports and SHIPS(self healing injection ports) in my lids. so all the old converted jars have two SFD's on them. This is how you want the lids to look. One filter right down the center.



For all the new jars I drill 1 hole right down the center.

Here we go, this has an assortment of old and new jar lids. The 1 hole central filtered jars are newer lids. The older double filters are old lids. You can see one blue SHIP in the image that was missed along the way. That will have to be switched out when i can remember haha.



This batch has more of the newer lids with holes down the center. You can see my rusted ass regular mouth 1/2 pint bands with pour lids with magnets on them. Another reason I prefer the cleanliness of the plastic lids.



In 8 years I have never had to change these filters once. I knocked off a few SFD's from a few lids by accident. I RTVed them back on. Maybe 3 total fell off of hundreds of jars. They do last. And I prefer the RTV because its sturdier and holds a better seal than the clear SHIT


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    #24591589 - 08/30/17 07:48 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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    #24591665 - 08/30/17 08:20 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

hey eat have you ever had problems with oats of a certain brand or oats with anti fungal/anti bacterial added? Im trying to narrow down where my contams are coming from and i cant tell if its my oats or agar at 4 transfers.


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: JHOVA]
    #24591670 - 08/30/17 08:23 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

no. ive used about 8 different brands of oats.

some of them have hay, pet food, corn, rabbit food in them. i just pour it off the top and minimize any floaters. are you using different types of grain with luck or just oats? if your grains have a high percentage of burst grains and are clumpy. that is bad. you want the grain to roll over each other easily when you turn the jar.

after a day my grain jars or not too glossy and not too dull. just midway. there usually is no visible water on the grain. it looks consistent throughout.


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    #24591779 - 08/30/17 09:26 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Just oats for a while now. i guess ill give wbs a whirl again. since you have no problems it must be my agar culture or technique.:shrug:


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    #24591792 - 08/30/17 09:31 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

It either all that, a compoundment of the aforementioned issues plus improper sterilize time, poor gas exchange, as well as hydration content of grains.


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: hamloaf]
    #24592475 - 08/31/17 07:00 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Hey Eat, those jars look great. Neat clean, and pleasing to look at. I'll get mine soon. But I have another question for you. :smile:

Since you only use one hole now, if you were to use a LC do you inoculate through the filter? And I am not going to be doing that right now, but hopefully once I get all my ducks in a row I can do that in the future.

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    #24592485 - 08/31/17 07:07 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Hi, Shroomy.  To inoculate LC When lids aren't fitted with self injection healing ports the Lid is removed inside of sterile conditions, then replaced once you've squirted LC into the jar.  I use an adaptation of a few oat teks.  I'll write my own easy oat Tek here in a few days as been planning.  Thanks.


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    #24592582 - 08/31/17 07:54 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Okay. That makes perfect sense.

Next prep I am trying is going to be the 45 minute boiling soak. I'm also hoping to get one of those swanky colanders that goes over the sink. That's perfect!

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    #24592585 - 08/31/17 07:57 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

The 45 minute hard boil is what I do.  Only I do a half an hour.  Past a half an hour, kernels start busting, and no thank you, please.  Good luck, brother, but you're not going to need it.  Whole oat prep is very very simple/black & white.


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    #24593097 - 08/31/17 11:08 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Right on. Thanks, man. I will check the oats at the 30 minute point. Appreciate the tip!

I really think the problems I have been having are grain prep and GE related. So addressing those two things should help. Also environmental contams have been out of this world, but adding a little bleach to my soap water spray and using Lysol improve my agar success. I'll get it.

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    #24594484 - 08/31/17 08:32 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

yeah like ham said. i flame the needle,  lift the lid, squirt some lc in. put the lid back on.

johhova,

are your grain jars all clumpy and mostly burst grain when you are done prepping it? do you have any images of what it looks like after your pressure cooked it? if so, it could be your over cooking it.

yeah i do the 25 minute rolling boll and no more.

also oats are fairly forgiving compared to other grain.

ham don't you have another older oat tek? i think we were discussing it when i first made this thread in my journal a while back.


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    #24594554 - 08/31/17 08:59 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

The grains looked really good. I'm a noob but from what i have seen in others grows the grain looks properly hydrated. I had maybe 4 or 5 total per jar of burst grains.
These were g2g on 8/9 and finished on 8/24 if i remember correctly.

No green, no wet spot bacteria. The grains are really hard to break up and a thick white non mycelium seems to bind on the oats. I've done 4 batches of jars and they all are about the same.

These are from my last batch.  4 jars of the 12 smelled bad and i chucked them. Another 4 didn't pass the shake test at 90%. They took about 14 days to fully colonize.

I go to grain after 4 transfers but maybe im transferring too large a piece of agar and including bacteria.

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    #24595670 - 09/01/17 10:36 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Smells like bacteria. Do you have any grain shots without growth?

Yeah I don't think its the grain.


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    #24597351 - 09/02/17 12:54 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Where are you getting your Oats? I got a 50 lb bag from Tractor Supply and they were shit! 20 jars all contaminate. I went to Rural King and got their Premium cleaned oats, and they are so much better. I had heard the Nutrena Racing Horse Oats are very good. Thanks for this.


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    #24597842 - 09/02/17 08:34 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

back when oat preps were new and everybody was trying it, a bunch of folks seemed to notice that plain old dusty oats seemed to be a bit more troublesome than the triple cleaned race horse oats. i dont think there is any post making a hard line the sand about why or how it happens, but a lot of folks seemed to see the same issues with non-race horse oats. over time, people had less issues just using triple cleaned oats.


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    #24598073 - 09/02/17 10:01 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

I have shitty oats and they ended up getting infested with bugs. I'm considering tossing the bag and sucking it up. Although I am thinking of using them because once boiled and pc'd there'll be nothing left of them :shrug:


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    #24598364 - 09/02/17 12:13 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm intrigued. What does that do? edit: oh that's for the bugs not the grains.


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I was thinking about doing that. Luckily I have a bag of DE on hand because of a flea infestation. Fenway doesn't have fleas they said, he's had his drops this month they said. Well why the f&c$ is my house infested then :facepalm3:


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    #24598939 - 09/02/17 05:25 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

I'm getting my ass kicked in rye right now...either all my strains are all contaminated with everything imaginable or it's the grain.

Are oats easier to work with than rye? Is it just whole oats..No hull is what I'm assuming...

Thanks in advance..I'm getting frustrated watching jars sweat and then turn colours...

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    #24599098 - 09/02/17 07:05 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

I've heard great things about them myself. I plan on using rye in things that are harder to fuck up moisture content like pp5 bottle grows but using oats in jars, just as an extra layer of insurance. I believe the hulls MUST still be on the oats or they are worthless.


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: Crispykoot]
    #24599174 - 09/02/17 07:43 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

I would think rye would be less prone to contam than whole osts.  I never had any problems with rye, really.  Have you changed anything, new lids?


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: eatyualive]
    #24599524 - 09/02/17 11:45 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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yeah like ham said. i flame the needle,  lift the lid, squirt some lc in. put the lid back on.

johhova,

are your grain jars all clumpy and mostly burst grain when you are done prepping it? do you have any images of what it looks like after your pressure cooked it? if so, it could be your over cooking it.

yeah i do the 25 minute rolling boll and no more.

also oats are fairly forgiving compared to other grain.

ham don't you have another older oat tek? i think we were discussing it when i first made this thread in my journal a while back.



Hi, eat.  Hope you are well, brother.  I remember what you are talking about.  What you are referring to wasn't a Tek, technically.  More of a research article over whole oats.  This was back when whole oats were becoming the rage.
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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: Crispykoot]
    #24599529 - 09/02/17 11:49 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm getting my ass kicked in rye right now...either all my strains are all contaminated with everything imaginable or it's the grain.

Are oats easier to work with than rye? Is it just whole oats..No hull is what I'm assuming...

Thanks in advance..I'm getting frustrated watching jars sweat and then turn colours...

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Hi crispy.  Sorry about your luck, brother.  Try longer sterilization cycles.  With oats you are correct.  Whole oats are with the hulls.  Hulled oats are oats with the hull/husk removed.  Whole oats are what ya want.


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: Mycolorado]
    #24599855 - 09/03/17 06:03 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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I would think rye would be less prone to contam than whole osts.  I never had any problems with rye, really.  Have you changed anything, new lids?





The only changes have been the brand of rye...All my rye is organic so it can have a high endospore load from what I understand... I also soak for 24 hours. More potential issues there...My prep is solid... I dry on a screen before pc cycle...
I can't switch back to the old brand because its all gone until the new crop is in...Hence the oats idea.

The other change is an a/c unit in my spawn room to keep temps stable. I use SFD's and plastic lids and spawn bags...All of them have had contam issue at different times...I don't think the a/c could cause them.


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: Crispykoot]
    #24599908 - 09/03/17 07:09 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Damn.  Tried a control jar or two?  Maybe up the pc time?  That's frustrating, koot.


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: Mycolorado]
    #24599924 - 09/03/17 07:20 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Its allgood...Has to be figured out.

Skipping the soak, going to conventional rye and whole oats to see...and doing control jars.


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: Crispykoot]
    #24606949 - 09/05/17 07:59 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

you know i had been using one brand of wbs for over 10 years with no issues. pennington finch seed. one year, i had a horrible batch at the local walmart. i tried 10 different 50lb bags and everything i did contaminated like hell.

i ended up going to another walmart and getting the finch seed. this walmart was about 40 miles away. never had a contam again.

pretty crazy. you know if it were a batch or two i might say bad spawn. but consistently throwing out 100 quarts at a time. then making the switch and no problems at all after that. :facepalm:

i had to switch to popcorn for a while because of it lol..

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race horse oats(whole oats)




you could also add a dash of pickling lime(found in the canning section of your local mart) during your soak or boil.

that always worked well for me with dirty grain like wbs. i would rinse it off after the boil or warm water bath.


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: eatyualive]
    #24606971 - 09/05/17 08:07 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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I have shitty oats and they ended up getting infested with bugs. I'm considering tossing the bag and sucking it up. Although I am thinking of using them because once boiled and pc'd there'll be nothing left of them :shrug:




i have premium race horse oats and they got infested with meal bugs. last bag i bought already had the meal bugs. in the dead heat of the summer, your not going to find the other 50lb bags at the same supply store they have on hand clean either. i bought a bag a month before and the oats were fine. but once the summer heat hit. boom, bug city.

this is common. the eggs are already present in most grain, meal, flours.

its just a matter of temperature you store it at in order for germination.

you may not want to look this up, but if you look at the "allowed bug parts" per box of cereal and such. it is something like 50,000 insect parts per box. and i think x amount of rat hairs.

the seeds are there. its just a matter of storage.

one thing i recently found to repel meal bugs is a simple one. duct tape the bag shut. they get stuck to the duct tape. and i wrap the outside of the bag with a plastic bag tied tight.

i pour the oats into the boiled water and walla. kills all the meal bugs. then just pour those nasty floater fuckers off the top down the drain. or you can colonize them. colonized grain jars with them no problems. just some extra protein. i try to pour it off though.

also, i don't have any big issues with oats. i find them easier to prep and forgiving compared to many other grains. and my first trial with oats was 4-50lb bags. no contams! so i don't think its oats in general. maybe the shittier quality oats. i always tried race horse oats so that is all i can comment on. the shitty dirty oats must be pretty nasty. i saw some rolled oats once and didn't get them.

ive also had numerous items in my "triple cleaned" race horse oats.

rabbit food, straw, meal bugs, chunks of what looks like bird food ect ect.

i just pour off any of those floaters. which is very seldom that i see these things in a bag of oats. but it does happen.


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: eatyualive]
    #24607855 - 09/06/17 06:29 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Commodity grade oats can be seriously dirty. And have bits of whatever else in them. Burs, corn, soybeans, rabbit pellets, floor sweepings, straw. Other then the dust, it's mostly fibrous matter, so I was just cleaning and cleaning them prior to PC.

Bought a bag of cleaned oats, and much to my surprise, they aren't even dusty and I couldn't find a piece of corn. So we shall see if the new lids and new oats help with my issues.

I think the little gap on my plexi window in the SAB is a pretty big contributor to the contamination issues I have been having. Doing the 45 minute boiling soak on the grains and then 1:15 in the pc.

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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: ShroomyToons]
    #24607915 - 09/06/17 07:15 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Where is the gap? I have a gap in mine. But I flip the tub upside down so the lid acts as the floor of my sab. It also allows more work space as this tub is wider at the top than bottom.  I think the gap is ok. I have open arm holes in mine. If the gap is on top. Flip your sab.


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: eatyualive]
    #24607926 - 09/06/17 07:25 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Just finished the 45 minute bath, and I have a fair amount of burst grain. Should I just toss them and do a 30 minute soak on the next batch?

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Where is the gap? I have a gap in mine. But I flip the tub upside down so the lid acts as the floor of my sab. It also allows more work space as this tub is wider at the top than bottom.  I think the gap is ok. I have open arm holes in mine. If the gap is on top. Flip your sab.




I put a plexi window in the bottom of the tub, and used silicone to seal it. I wanted to be able to see agar isolations better by having a clear view instead of translucent, so the gap is at the top of the box, over my work area. I put strong shipping tape around the full window on top and bottom, so I think it's all good now.


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: ShroomyToons]
    #24607934 - 09/06/17 07:28 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Man, the burst grains will be ok if you sterilize the crap out of them.  Mushroom myclium enjoys the extra starch generated by burst grains also.  To avoid the noid (burst grains) with whole oats, I would strongly suggest going with 20-25 minute hard boil instead of 45 minutes.  45 minutes is too long.


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: hamloaf]
    #24607944 - 09/06/17 07:31 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks, Ham. I didn't boil them for 45, but poured them into boiling water and removed from heat and covered them. There may be 1% burst. Next time I will do the 25 minute roiling boil. Just trying to get this down and find what will work consistently for me.


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: ShroomyToons]
    #24607962 - 09/06/17 07:41 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

The 45 is not a hard boil. You bring the water to a rolling boil. Remove from heat, then pour the grain in. Its a boiled water bath like foomans wbs tek. I only boil for 25 like you do ham.


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: eatyualive]
    #24608232 - 09/06/17 09:30 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Hey Eat,
I spread a handful of diatomacious earth over the top layer of my bag a few days ago and rolled it back up. I don't see anything moving around in there anymore
I did use a few jars worth of bug infested oats for my last round. They worked out just fine. In hindsight I don't know why I assumed they were lost :shrug:
Yeah, the wife and I were discussing the eggs being laid in the grain well before it was bagged however I didn't know the part about the "allowed bug parts" lol. I'll be looking that up for sure


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: Steevo]
    #24608304 - 09/06/17 09:55 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Looking into that will make you want to grow all of your own food.

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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: ShroomyToons] * 1
    #24634954 - 09/16/17 10:59 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

ok I updated the OP with how I do my lids. This has a link with procedure attached for anyone who was asking. good luck.


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: eatyualive]
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    #24657292 - 09/24/17 09:20 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

OK, just finished my 45 min bath but I'll have to wait til tomorrow a.m. to finish in PC. Do you think it will matter to wait that long?


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: lynerd]
    #24657300 - 09/24/17 09:25 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

the grain might be really dry by the morning.


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    #24657316 - 09/24/17 09:35 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Worth soaking again or no?


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: lynerd]
    #24657321 - 09/24/17 09:39 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

ive never tried it twice. id have to see how the grain looks in the morning to be honest.

you may be able to give it a 10 minute boiled water soak. then pc it. but that is me guessing as ive never tried this. and i would have to judge it by how the grain looks in the morning.

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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep (moved) [Re: eatyualive]
    #24657327 - 09/24/17 09:42 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks Eat. Good advice. I don't have the right size PC tonight.


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    #24790948 - 11/18/17 06:07 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I forgot to mention. I use the 30 minute boiled water bath method for LI. It makes the grain a bit drier so the Li and grain have the perfect water content. If you have alot of issues with Li and bacteria you may be over cooking your oats. Going slightly Lower than perfect moisture content can be beneficial with the use of liquids if your inoculating with more than 5cc of Li solution. I had prepped my Las batch with the boiling method and the bottoms of the jars got a little overly wet than I like after my initial Li pour. After I inoculate then pour my Li, I like shaking to where the Li coats all grains. You wouldn't see any pooling water at the bottom of the jars afterwards. If you see this, you may be pouring too much or you may want to adjust the moisture content in your jars by cooking less.


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep [Re: eatyualive]
    #24791013 - 11/18/17 07:08 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I let my oats dry a bit more for LI too...Makes sense. Oats are by far the easiest I've tried...Loving them right now...Thanks eat.


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    #24791017 - 11/18/17 07:12 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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They are bulletproof. I dont understand why so many people have had issues with them lately.


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    #24791024 - 11/18/17 07:18 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Wudup fellas!  Gettin ready to prep some oats myself.


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    #24791027 - 11/18/17 07:20 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I sterilize mine at 20-22PSI for 2.5-3 hours in jars and have no issues...Yet...


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    #24791061 - 11/18/17 07:44 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

wow crispy thats a long time lol..

i probably should prep some and LI tomorrow. But im on vacation now. not motivated with fam coming into town. but i definitely think im putting this stropharia to grain again. i love the color of the caps on these. its like several different shades of orange and they look like the sunset. its a good saturday to prep grain for sure. im still waiting on my workout partner for some light sparring..:rofl:


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    #25351640 - 07/28/18 04:00 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Hey... I am just wondering if I can dry the oats before loading them into jars in the first method or if their slight wetness serves a purpose during the sterilization?


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I forgot to mention. I use the 30 minute boiled water bath method for LI. It makes the grain a bit drier so the Li and grain have the perfect water content. If you have alot of issues with Li and bacteria you may be over cooking your oats. Going slightly Lower than perfect moisture content can be beneficial with the use of liquids if your inoculating with more than 5cc of Li solution. I had prepped my Las batch with the boiling method and the bottoms of the jars got a little overly wet than I like after my initial Li pour. After I inoculate then pour my Li, I like shaking to where the Li coats all grains. You wouldn't see any pooling water at the bottom of the jars afterwards. If you see this, you may be pouring too much or you may want to adjust the moisture content in your jars by cooking less.





Great advice. I've been experimenting with getting my WBS just right for LI and finding that leaving it dryer than normal works well.

I think I am going to try oats soon though. I've never done oats but they seem like the next step forward from WBS.

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i definitely think im putting this stropharia to grain again. i love the color of the caps on these. its like several different shades of orange and they look like the sunset.




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    #26755843 - 06/18/20 10:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

My oats came out pretty dark after the soak and seemed pretty wet after the PC, will they still be ok to use?


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    #26757445 - 06/19/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Shake em once cool. Should be fine but its hard to tell if you dont have a picture. They shouldnt be too wet. Let them strain in the strainer longer.


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I'll figure out how to post a pic and put one up as soon as I get a chance, thanks!


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    #26762425 - 06/21/20 07:54 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Ive overcooked grain before and Had it turn dark in color. This udually happens if there isnt enough water in the pc snd it runs out during the cook. The grain csn get toasty looking. But it hasnt caused issues iF you had your full pc cycle in.


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    #26773906 - 06/22/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Hey I just gave this a shot. Boiled water then took it off heat and added oats. Let sit for 45 minutes. However I seem to have a lot of burst grain. Does this look OK?



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    #26774042 - 06/22/20 11:08 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Are you using whole oats? They look off to me and there shouldnt be that many burst grain. They dont look hydrated enough. You want whole race horse oats. Triple washed.



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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep [Re: eatyualive]
    #26774172 - 06/22/20 12:08 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yup. These were hulled. I'm a dummy


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep [Re: eatyualive]
    #26869149 - 08/07/20 09:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Recently i had a trich outbreak. My grain was clumping and bursting quite a bit more with the recent bag of grain i bought. So what i did was adjust my prep temps on the oats 5 minutes less than i have been for a total of 15 minute cook instead of 20 on method 2 and it has worked wonders. Different types of grain and even seasonal grain may vary slightly. This wasnt ever an issue for me in the last 5 years but only my last bag of grain. This new batch seems to be more heat sensitive and easily bursts. Its the same brand ive been using foe the last 5 years also.


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Re: EAT’S EASY OAT PREP™ [Re: eatyualive]
    #26983470 - 10/13/20 02:24 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for posting this bro.

I soaked over night with the hottest water from my tap and then drained and PC today.



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Re: EAT’S EASY OAT PREP™ [Re: nogoodnamesleft]
    #26988460 - 10/16/20 01:27 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Do you soak the grain? Slightly different but i prefer no soak as i find it less work in the end. Im not prepping for the soak and waiting til the next day. I can pretty much start grain and be done in 2.5 hours and jars are cooling.


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Re: EAT’S EASY OAT PREP™ [Re: eatyualive]
    #27019054 - 11/03/20 09:47 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Got some Pro'douchers Pride whole oats and am giving it ago! I know it might not be the best brand although it does seem very clean compared to WBS.  45 min soak after rolling boil produced a very nice hydrated oat...it was cooked enough that it would smash out the internals when trying to cut with fingernail.

90 min PC run @17 PSI and they looked fantastic coming out.

They are sweating a bit while cooling, which has me mildly concerned.

Does it go away like WBS sweat does after a day or so?


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    #27025029 - 11/06/20 01:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Once jars are cool you can shake to redistribute moisture.


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Re: EAT’S EASY OAT PREP™ [Re: eatyualive]
    #27756448 - 04/29/22 11:24 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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