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    #22158748 - 08/28/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:chief:METHOD 1: BOILED WATER SOAK OAT PREP :chief:



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I've been using Fooman's Grain Tek to prepare WBS with a "boiled water bath" with great success. I find this method simple and works well. I wanted to use a similar method with Oat Grain. I also use a 2nd method that involves bringing the grain to a rolling boil then reducing the heat for 25 minutes. The two methods are listed below.

No reason to make anything complicated, so let's skip the background history and descriptions of Whole oats in hopes that you can figure that kind of thing out on your own. Who wants to be a SLAVE TO THE GRAIN? I know I don't.

The intention of this method is to reduce the grain preparation time while making things easy when you have dual loads of work. The less attention and pouring one has to do the better. Each time you fill a pot of water and pour it, creates more work. Lets keep it simple and do one pour.

10 different Oat prep Methods have been attempted(all successful). But none of them seem to be perfect for the situation needed. This involves being able to begin a batch of grain that day, prep it and have the grain pressure cooked and finished cooling within 2-3 hours from start to finish.

For me this method has produced the least amount of burst grains with the least effort.

My stove takes approximately 25 minutes to heat water to a rolling boil. Take the pot off heat. Pour your grain into the boiled water. You then set the timer for 45 minutes. So you won't need to do any paying attention until the timer goes off. I'm not looking at the grain or tending to it. All I do is put the timer on.

This timing and ease may not be your goal, and if not, there are a number of different Oat prep methods. The issue is, in all other methods, the Oats seem to have more moisture on the outside than other grains. The grains also have more bursts than wanted.   

Additionally, this method does not need to be tended to. Waiting a full day for grain to soak is not ideal. Neither is having to take 2.5 hours cooking grain and more than an hour prepping it. This method is the easiest in that regard as all I do is boil water, dump grain in, put a timer on, pour out water, load up jars. Boom done!

Materials:

  • A big metal pot
  • Premium Race Horse oats

  • Wire mesh with Strainer

  • Quart Jars with pp5 lids and SFD's(Synthetic Filter Disks) There is a build write up at the bottom of this thread on how I prepare my lids. Any filters should work. You can use Unmodified Lids or regular lids the way I do them with Synthetic Filter Discs. I prefer the SFD lids for two reasons. 1) When you are shaking your jars you have to tighten unmodified lids then loosen them after the shake. If you are doing 20 plus quart jars that is 40 extra turns of quart jar lids. That will add up after time. I prefer to inoculate with LI(liquid inoculate) and not shake the jars at all. This is far less work than shaking, then twisting lids 40 plus times. If you are doing 100 quarts, that is over 200 jar lid turns every time you shake your jars. This is not ideal for my situation. If you do 10 quarts. It would be easy. The extra effort put up front in building lids with SFD's is definitely worth the time you save in the long run. Add up 200 lid turns every 2 weeks for a full year and you have 5,200 lid turns per year. Where I spent a good 5 hours building a few hundred SFD lids, you spent hour and hours twisting and turning lids. You also have to remember which lids you twisted and turned.

    How Eat Rock's His Lids

    Top view of SFD on lids.



    Bottom view of SFD on lids



    Procedure:

    1. Measure 4.5 dry quarts of Whole Race Horse Oats per 10 quarts jars you want filled.  This will fill your jars 3/4 full after the pressure cooker cycle.


    2. Set the grain aside in a large metal pot.


    3.  Fill a large pot 3/4th full of water or high enough to double over the height of grain. Place the pot on the stove,. Put the stove temp on high. Place the lid on the pot. On my stove, it takes approximately 20 minutes for the water in the pot below to get to a rolling boil. (Stove, pot size, water volumes, temps may vary so adjust settings based on your setup)


    4. Once water is to a rolling boil similar to the picture below you take the pot off the heat source.


    5. Dump your dry grain into the boiled water. Put the lid back on your pot. Set your timer for 45 minutes.


    Smoke a bowl or joint. :gethigh:

    6. After 45 minutes, pour your grain out in the strainer so that you don't burn yourself. I let the grain sit for 10 minutes in the strainer so the outside of each grain is not dripping wet. Grain looks like this.



    7. Load grain into quart jars by eye about 3/4th full. Place the pp5 lids on with about a 1/4 turn. Don't make newb mistakes and twist the lids on too tight or you will not be able to remove them after the pc cycle.  Pressure cook for an hour and 15 minutes. Some people do 90 minutes. Do what works best for you. Jars ready to load into the pressure cooker.



    8. Pressure cook for 90 minutes at 15psi. Once the pressure cooker is cool enough to the touch and the pressure has released you are ready to remove the jars. Using a hot pad, You can tighten the lid a little. Then shake your jars and place them on a shelf. Now the jars are ready for inoculation.

    This is how the quarts look right after they are taken out of the pressure cooker and shaken. The jars are still warm.

    30 minute bath time    45 minute bath time    60 minute bath time


    This is what the quarts look like a day later.


    Here are the same jars g2ged. There are 2 Burma culture clones growing side by side. Shaken on day 3 colonized on day 6.

    30 Minute Bath prepped grain 6 days growth with a shake on day 3


    To come to the conclusion of a 45 minute soak time. 3 times were tested. 30 mins, 45 mins, 60 mins. All of the times worked. So the compromise was 45 mins to get the grain slightly plumper.

    3 times side by side G2G 6 day growth. Shaken on the 3rd day.



    So far, this method allows for the least amount of burst grain and the least amount of effort.


    Total prep time for grain to cool:

    20 mins to boil water
    45 mins for grain soak
    10 minutes strain
    90 mins for pressure cook
    2 hours 45 minutes and your jars are cooling.

    :chief:METHOD 2: BOILED OAT PREP :chief:

    Materials:

    [LIST]
  • A big metal pot
  • Premium Race Horse oats

  • Wire Mesh Strainer

  • Quart Jars with pp5 lids and SFD's(Synthetic Filter Disks)



Procedure:

1. Measure 4.5 dry quarts of Whole Race Horse Oats per 10 quarts jars you want filled.  This will fill your jars 3/4 full after the pressure cooker cycle.


2. Dump your grain in a large metal pot.



3.  Fill a large pot with water high enough to double over the height of grain. Place the pot on the stove,. Put the stove temp on high. Place the lid on the pot. On my stove, it takes approximately 20 minutes for the water in the pot below to get to a rolling boil. (Stove, pot size, water volumes, temps may vary so adjust settings based on your setup)


4. Once water is to a rolling boil similar to the picture below you reduce your heat to medium. You want to keep a steady bubble to the top of the grain. Not a violent boil, a rolling boil with light bubbling along the top.


5. Set your timer for 20 minutes. Keep the water at the rolling boil for the duration of the 20 minutes.
****recently i have the dame brand grain but for some reason the latest batch is more heat sensitive. So its been overcooking the grain. I reduced this time to 15 minutes and it has improved everything. If you find you are having too many burst grain, reduce the time to 15 minutes. This hasnt been an issue in 5 years with the same brand but i think seasonal variation may be an issue with grain due to conditions of growth ect. This small adjustment had made a huge difference.

Smoke a bowl or joint. :gethigh:

6. After 20 minutes, pour your grain out in the strainer so that you don't burn yourself. I rinse the grain with cold tap water, then I let the grain sit for 10 minutes in the strainer so the outside of each grain is not dripping wet. Grain looks like this. You could load it immediately after the steam is gone and lower prep time by 10 minutes.



7. Load grain into quart jars by eye about 3/4th full. Place the pp5 lids on with about a 1/4 turn. Don't make newb mistakes and twist the lids on too tight or you will not be able to remove them after the pc cycle.  Pressure cook for an hour and 15 minutes. Some people do 90 minutes. Do what works best for you. Jars ready to load into the pressure cooker.


8. Pressure cook for 90 minutes at 15psi. Once the pressure cooker is cool enough to the touch and the pressure has released you are ready to remove the jars. Using a hot pad, You can tighten the lid a little. Then shake your jars and place them on a shelf. Now the jars are ready for inoculation.

This is how the quarts look a day after they are taken out of the pressure cooker and shaken.


Method 1 has the least grain burst, method 2 is the fastest oat prep method.

Total prep time for grain to cool:
20 mins to boil water
20 mins for grain soak in rolling boiled water
10 minutes strain
90 mins for pressure cook
2 hours 20 minutes and your jars are cooling.

Here is a sample of grows from the grain prepared in this post.

AA+



Here is a sample of grows from the grain prepared in this post.
















Texas Yellow Cap



Texas Orange Cap



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After you are done preparing grain jars it’s time to liquid inoculate.

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Re: Oat Notes [Re: eatyualive]
    #22164178 - 08/30/15 10:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Oats.  They take a lickin' and keep on tickin'.

49 quart jars plus 3 pint jars of whole oats soaked for 2 hours, hard boiled for 29 minutes, cooled, loaded, capped, foiled and ready to throw in the sterilizer.


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Re: Oat Notes [Re: hamloaf]
    #22165323 - 08/30/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

nice hamloaf. ill give yours a go soon on the next batch with the 2 hour soak. so far ive g2ged and liquid inoculated a bunch of jars. i have LI leap off side by side with oats and wbs with the same culture.

Oats Vs WBS Day 2 Same AA+ Culture Liquid inoculated



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Re: Oat Notes [Re: eatyualive]
    #22174921 - 09/01/15 05:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

side by side of days 3-5 LI: Oats Vs WBS


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Re: Oat Notes [Re: eatyualive]
    #22174979 - 09/01/15 05:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Cool bro.

Here goes the 4th time consecutive in a week that whole oats were prepped.  The method's that's being settled upon is a 2 hour hot water soak then a 20 minute hard boil.  Place in colanders top cool, load media vessel, pressure sterilize quart jars for 2 hours A 17 psi.  Oats come out looking like this everytime.



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Re: Oat Notes [Re: hamloaf]
    #22174991 - 09/01/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

looks damn good. when i free up some jars ill give it a go. right now, i filled all the jars and used a 50lb bag of oats already! all that and drove about 15 hours and worked 40 plus.:evil:


with the hot water, is it hot tap? or are you putting the water on the stove?


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Re: Oat Notes [Re: eatyualive]
    #22175000 - 09/01/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hot tap water.  As hot as I can stand it.


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Re: Oat Notes [Re: hamloaf]
    #22203595 - 09/07/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Trying this now sir ham.


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Re: Oat Notes [Re: eatyualive]
    #22203631 - 09/07/15 06:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Oat Grain Prep Methods I've tried:
1. 12 hour soak, boiled water added then soaked. Pced as is
2. 25 minute rolling boil, strain, pc
3. 12 hour soak, 15 minte boil, strain, pc
4. Bring grain to rolling boil, reduce to medium, 25 minute rolling boil, strain, pc.
5. 12 hour soak, add to water that is at a rolling boil , take off heat let sit 15 minutes, strain, pc.
6. Plain room temp 12 hour soak, strain, pc.
7. bring grain and water to rolling boil set timer for 15 minutes strain, load pc.
8. bring grain and water to rolling boil set timer for 10 minutes, strain, load pc.
9. bring water to a rolling boil. remove from heat source. dump grain in. let it bathe for 30 minutes. strain out. load up.


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Re: Oat Notes [Re: eatyualive]
    #22203893 - 09/07/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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My oats weren't super clean. A good amount of rabbit pellets and corn were in the bag. Also straw chunks and beans.

Quote:


    Hey do you bring yours to a rolling boil then reduce heat for 30mins? Or do you boil on high for 30 mins?




I use a rolling boil for 20 to 25 minutes. Then I  strain and jar while the oats are still fairly wet.

Quote:

when you say 20-25 minutes. do you bring it to the rolling boil, then set the timer for 20-25 mins?





I start the timer once the water gets boiling.


--I believe you would then need to reduce heat to keep the oats at a rolling boil.


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Re: Oat Notes [Re: eatyualive]
    #22515675 - 11/12/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

here is a one hour boiled water soak. then 1 hour 15 minute pressure cooking after the jars were taken out of the pc. jars are still warm.



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Re: Oat Notes [Re: eatyualive]
    #22832178 - 01/27/16 09:24 PM (8 years, 3 days ago)

I think this thread support what I was thinking about recovery time versus colonization times.

Water tends to facilitate recovery and leap off BUT a dryer grain colonizes faster.

The 30 min boiled grains took the lead....but in the end the 45 min jars where not far enough behind that when shook, the recovery resulted in a better colonized jar in the end. The most hydrated of the group, performed the worst

Did you record any of the actual moisture content data!?


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    #22948557 - 02/26/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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    #22948667 - 02/26/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

camplo,

no didn't record the moisture content.


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    #22991819 - 03/10/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

Either way thanks for sharing, these two methods are preferable for someone like me, looking to get grain properly prepped in minimal time.


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    #23018970 - 03/18/16 12:09 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

Oats are awesome


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    #23019308 - 03/18/16 03:03 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

And here I was making my local feed store order rye for me!! Looks like daddy's got a new racehorse to feed lol! I don't know what rock I was living under because oats pop up everywhere when I UTFSE. Thanks for the guide man! My girlfriend will love it now that I don't have to spend as much time taking over the kitchen on grain prep days :thumbup:

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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep [Re: eatyualive]
    #23303938 - 06/03/16 04:16 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

:thumbup:gonna give it a whirl


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23303992 - 06/03/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I'll be running oats this way for tubs and for outdoor spawning. :thumbup:


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Re: Eat's Easy Oat Prep [Re: Adden]
    #23327585 - 06/09/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

:thumbup:

pretty easy methods. both work well. just different ways to achieve the same results.


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