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Casing layers
#22157575 - 08/28/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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What is the proper way to apply a casing layer?
Also, how long does everyone usually wait to apply their casing layers?
All of the cubes I have grown in the past have not been cased. Am about to try a PE strain with my next tubs and have heard that a casing layer can help a lot with these.
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Re: Casing layers [Re: JP5082]
#22157603 - 08/28/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Personal preference. But level and even
Personal preference
It might, probably will
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Case your PE.
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Re: Casing layers [Re: taGyo]
#22157753 - 08/28/15 05:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Casing helps "tame" those mutant blobs PE's known to throw out.
That being said.. I also recommended casing.
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Case at 100 percent. Then you can either wait till about 30 percent colonization and open the tub up for fruiting.
Or you can case it at 100 percent and throw directly into fruiting.
Or you can wait till you see knots and pins, late case and then fruit. Like bodhi said, it's personal preference.
Always lay it nice and even and i usually do 1/4 to 1/2" casings
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Dont late case! Case at 100%, and fruit immediately.
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I was just listing his options followed by an "It's personal preference."
Late casing works if done right so why not? He/she can do whatever they like, I'm just laying out the options like they wanted.
Everyone else just commented on how you should definitely case PE, which OP obviously already knew.
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Fair enough,
When you say "late-case".. are you referring to consolidating till pins, then casing? Or late-casing after its already been introduced to fruiting conditions?
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Consolidating until you see pins will take a while, I'd never do that unless I was super busy but I heard it explodes and pushes out a shit ton in the first flush but not so much on consecutive flushes.
Both methods will work though , I'd opt for fruiting immediately or adding a thin layer once primordia start forming but at that point the mushrooms are already telling you if they do or don't like the environment to an extent so why not just add it at fruiting?
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Consolidating till pins, case, then open up for fruiting.
It should be stated that fahtster meant his late case tek to be followed along with his layering method, but it still works well either way
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Re: Casing layers [Re: taGyo]
#22157845 - 08/28/15 06:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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taGyo said: Consolidating until you see pins will take a while, I'd never do that unless I was super busy but I heard it explodes and pushes out a shit ton in the first flush but not so much on consecutive flushes.
Both methods will work though , I'd opt for fruiting immediately or adding a thin layer once primordia start forming but at that point the mushrooms are already telling you if they do or don't like the environment to an extent so why not just add it at fruiting?
You never want to case after fruiting because you end up locking contams to the surface of the sub where they now have a perfect environment to flourish
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Casings are meant to be used as a micro-climate on the surface of a substrate, along side FAE to initiate fruiting/pinning. Casing after pins have form sort of defeats the purpose...
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Re: Casing layers [Re: taGyo]
#22157869 - 08/28/15 06:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's what I said 
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taGyo said: I'd opt for fruiting immediately or adding a thin layer once primordia start forming but at that point the mushrooms are already telling you if they do or don't like the environment to an extent so why not just add it at fruiting?
I thought you were suggesting that as a method.
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Re: Casing layers [Re: taGyo]
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Yeah I'm pretty cool with Faht,
OP the main thing here is there are several different ways to skin a cat. Honestly, start with Coir/Verm and case and fruit immediately. Then work with peat and jiffy and all that other stuff that needs 30% and see what you like.
Cubes grow themselves, we're just here to move them from point A to point B to point C while fluffing their pillows every now and then
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Re: Casing layers [Re: taGyo]
#22157962 - 08/28/15 06:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lol dont forget to tuck them in, mine get angry when I forget. I was also thinking about casing my tub thats just about ready, never tried it so id like to check it out to see if its something id want to continue doing. How would staight verm work? And would pastuerizing be a waste of time since is just verm?
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I'd just sprinkle verm out of the bag 
If you have left over coir/verm/gyp it works better.
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Re: Casing layers [Re: taGyo]
#22157979 - 08/28/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You should still pasteurize/cook your Vermiculite..
Better yet, "bake" in an oven..
Using verm straight out the bag is death..
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Paranoia , it's a mineral and doesn't naturally harbor any contam.
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Fantastic Mr. Fox said: You should still pasteurize/cook your Vermiculite..
Better yet, "bake" in an oven..
Using verm straight out the bag is death..
I never understood this logic.....
You are either applying it to fully colonized contam resistant cakes, or mixing it in with a bulk substrate that's getting pasteurized anyways.
The second the oven door opens the verm is unsterile, so you would have just wasted your time., only to sterilize/pasteurize it again....... 
If someone could explain this logic to me it would be appreciated.
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I've always only ever just used it right from the bag. Besides if you're applying it as a casing (just verm) it being in open air for a few minutes makes it just as dirty or dirtier than it was in the bag.
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Re: Casing layers [Re: taGyo]
#22158071 - 08/28/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Paranoia?? Do you process your Vermiculite yourself?
Theres no way you can tell what it harbours 100%
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Fantastic Mr. Fox said: You should still pasteurize/cook your Vermiculite..
Better yet, "bake" in an oven..
Using verm straight out the bag is death..
I never understood this logic.....
You are either applying it to fully colonized contam resistant cakes, or mixing it in with a bulk substrate that's getting pasteurized anyways.
The second the oven door opens the verm is unsterile, so you would have just wasted your time., only to sterilize/pasteurize it again....... 
If someone could explain this logic to me it would be appreciated.
Oven bag, cheif
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I was thinking the same thing, baking would probably be closer to sterilizing and then putting it in an environment far from being sterile didnt make much sense. I've read verm is pretty contam resistant but no real facts backing it up, so I guess I'll just sprinkle it on top straight out of the bag then give it a good mist and put in fruiting conditions. Thanks for the advice and il try to take some decent pics and start a thread when it pins to show my gratitude
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Brotha, you're talking to two more people who also don't oven or anything their verm. It's really not a necessary step and I'm pretty sure 80-95% of us don't do it 
Vermiculite is sterile and inorganic so the chance of mold grabbing one of these particles and growing on it, especially not to mention it would be on a 100% colonized substrate, is very, very, very, very, very slim.
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Fantastic Mr. Fox said: Paranoia?? Do you process your Vermiculite yourself?
Theres no way you can tell what it harbours 100%
And sterilizing it twice is still illogical....
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Re: Casing layers [Re: taGyo]
#22158110 - 08/28/15 07:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fantastic Mr. Fox said: You should still pasteurize/cook your Vermiculite..
Better yet, "bake" in an oven..
Using verm straight out the bag is death..
I never understood this logic.....
You are either applying it to fully colonized contam resistant cakes, or mixing it in with a bulk substrate that's getting pasteurized anyways.
The second the oven door opens the verm is unsterile, so you would have just wasted your time., only to sterilize/pasteurize it again....... 
If someone could explain this logic to me it would be appreciated.
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taGyo said: Brotha, you're talking to two more people who also don't oven or anything their verm. It's really not a necessary step and I'm pretty sure 80-95% of us don't do it 
Vermiculite is sterile and inorganic so the chance of mold grabbing one of these particles and growing on it, especially not to mention it would be on a 100% colonized substrate, is very, very, very, very, very slim.
Yupp, I rest my case.
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Re: Casing layers [Re: taGyo]
#22158115 - 08/28/15 07:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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taGyo said: Vermiculite is sterile and inorganic
No it's not, and no, it's not.....
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Yupp, I rest my case. 
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If you can't throw some verm from a bag kept dry and sealed up on top of your substrate with your bare hands, your substrate was the problem
It's an inorganic solid but nothing is sterile unless it's red hot or has been sterilized and in a sealed container to keep it that way
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Re: Casing layers [Re: taGyo]
#22158134 - 08/28/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well my bags of verm have holes in them, so they are not sterile......and verm is mined from the earth.....unless there were chemicals added to it, it is organic..
Those sites are wrong....
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Re: Casing layers [Re: taGyo]
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https://books.google.com/books?id=dU7RBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA197&lpg=PA197&dq=vermiculite+sterile+and+inorganic&source=bl&ots=q-oTsdruhP&sig=z4I_pFahZ8ZC0-GgtobmeOLR3KY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCgQ6AEwADgKahUKEwiPo5rTks3HAhXCOj4KHZtaCvg#v=onepage&q=vermiculite%20sterile%20and%20inorganic&f=false
I can actually keep going.
During manufacturing it's sterilized so what you're getting in that bag is just fine to use out of the bag. I think where everyone is getting this confusion is you're implying that I said that if I left a bag of open vermiculite outside it would still be sterile...
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Re: Casing layers [Re: taGyo]
#22158140 - 08/28/15 07:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Organic can have more than one definition. It's an inorganic solid. It's organic if you want to prove a point to the crazy libtards and by proving your point you troll that 100% of everything you can experience is organic including your keyboard.
Verm is inorganic because its glass based. Like rocks and diamonds are inorganic. You could call them organic but 99.8% of the time the context they're inorganic.
Verm being inorganic is less ambiguous than tomato and corn being fruits.
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No offense, but I wont be "throwing" any unpasteurized verm on any of my substrates, so I could care less.
Better safe, than sorry IMO.
Good debate tho,
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So back on topic.
It can be used straight out of the bag.
Thanks.
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I dont know why I didnt think of dnr for the pf tek lol. Its pretty much the same thing and I don't think the tek says to bake it but I may be wrong I haven't done cakes yet but I might to test out isolates.
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Fantastic Mr. Fox said: No offense, but I wont be "throwing" any unpasteurized verm on any of my substrates, so I could care less.
Better safe, than sorry IMO.
Good debate tho, 
You should try it ,
Run a controlled experiment on two tubs and see if it makes a difference. This hobby isn't about being dead set in your ways, look at Eatyu who just bought oats and tried like five different teks day one lol.
@Smokey You also PC that verm so it doesn't matter whether you bake it or not but once air starts moving in through those holes it's no longer sterile and the verm actually stops the mold spores from getting to the nutritious BRF layer.
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Re: Casing layers [Re: taGyo]
#22158169 - 08/28/15 07:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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 Yeah, and all thats fine and dandy... Im all for experimentation. I just dont use straight verm anymoreee. Its always Jiffy enriched with extra vermiculite..
Using straight verm would be like taking a step backwards... Furthermore, I get my bags of jiffy for $3, so the switch from straight verm to jiffy w/verm has saved me.. "$$ wise"
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Re: Casing layers [Re: taGyo]
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I was talking about the dunk and roll part, that would be pretty much the same thing right? Just a flat surface instead of a cake
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And I case with cvg or peat, just saying try not to hold on to beliefs in this hobby 'cause chances are there are more ways to skin a cat or we don't understand it yet. Beliefs are what make people take shit personally, its all about good info.

@Smoky RR has a video where he bakes or microwaves the verm and then runs his dirty fingers through it in open -air. I believe he claims it fluffs up the verm and kills mold spores. Then he rolls the cake. 99% of us skipped that step and just rolled the cake.
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Re: Casing layers [Re: taGyo]
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wait, what? RR doesnt bake his verm. think he's said here you can bake it if something nasty like cob web is growing on it but never seen it in his vids.
whats gonna happen after you spread it over your sub anyway? its exposed to open air and all and will be just as "dirty" as before you baked it.
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11760457
He advocated it as far as I can remember. I swore I saw a video of him baking or microwaving it somewhere.
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Wait, I'm confused, should you bring the verm to field capacity before applying it. I would think adding dry verm right out of the bag would dry up the surface of a fully colonized mono.
Never really understood why you would do that for pf cakes either. Seems counterproductive adding dry verm to a cake, then misting it afterwards. Why not just add field capacity verm?
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Dry verm sticks to wet surfaces. Wet verm doesn't stick as well.
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Re: Casing layers [Re: taGyo]
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that's weird. he doesnt do it in his vids. also I have just brought my CV to field capacity without pasteurizing or adding hot water and never had the problems he described. muda's been doign verm straight out the bag for a yr or so..
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Yeah, Muda's a fucking badass , he also does a lot of shit that people say you shouldn't like pour obscene amounts of LI into jars and shit.
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50% seedling soil 50% verm apply 1/4 inch imo, creates a better texture than just verm, or just coir, or coir and verm
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Re: Casing layers [Re: taGyo]
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He advocated it as far as I can remember. I swore I saw a video of him baking or microwaving it somewhere.
You have never seen that man near a microwave....lol.
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I've read through some of RRs latest quotes on it and he keeps refering to the cobweb he saw in his bag of moist verm. I have fae in my tubs, bet most others too have more fae in a tub than in a bag of verm so cob web isnt really a big problem IMO..
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Re: Casing layers [Re: taGyo]
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taGyo said: Dry verm sticks to wet surfaces. Wet verm doesn't stick as well.
Why would you need it to stick tho? Wouldn't the field capacity verm be creating a better microclimate by sitting on the surface (allowing more gaps throughout the casing layer), and not being absorbed completely like dry verm.
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taGyo said: Dry verm sticks to wet surfaces. Wet verm doesn't stick as well.
Why would you need it to stick tho? Wouldn't the field capacity verm be creating a better microclimate by sitting on the surface (allowing more gaps throughout the casing layer), and not being absorbed completely like dry verm.
It won't do that if it falls off the cakes right after u apply it.....lol
You are supposed to roll them in dry verm and let them sit for a few hours before misting, so the misting doesn't knock the verm off.....
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taGyo said: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11760457
He advocated it as far as I can remember. I swore I saw a video of him baking or microwaving it somewhere.
You have never seen that man near a microwave....lol.
Must have been the oven 
@Psilo Well the goal is not to have wet verm, it's to have that microclimate. You don't want the verm to be sopping wet, you want it to be trapping moisture between the cake and itself, creating a humid environment between the two that tells the mushrooms where it's acceptable to put primordia. This is why we have side pins, because the space between the tub and the substrate traps that extra moisture and evaporation occurs there.
Does that make sense? I think you're thinking of verm as a substrate and not for what it is, an additional component to your coir or a casing layer for your cakes. For coir it's to help retain water, add a little nutrients and fluff up the coir in general. For cakes it's literally just to be the "side of the tub" if you understand my jist. Therefore field capacity and all those other requirements are not the same as it would be for a bulk substrate.
Also dry things just stick to wet things better. Ever try to stick a wet piece of tape on something? Not as easy as a dry one.
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taGyo said: Dry verm sticks to wet surfaces. Wet verm doesn't stick as well.
Why would you need it to stick tho? Wouldn't the field capacity verm be creating a better microclimate by sitting on the surface (allowing more gaps throughout the casing layer), and not being absorbed completely like dry verm.
It won't do that if it falls off the cakes right after u apply it.....lol
You are supposed to roll them in dry verm and let them sit for a few hours before misting, so the misting doesn't knock the verm off.....
What about a mono tho? I'm never going back to making cakes
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Same thing, add on dry, mist till glistening.
Also, I think by sterile in those links they didn't mean clean, they meant sterile as in will not support life on it's own. Like how a woman can be sterile.
But then again RR said he saw cobweb and other molds but I think for the most part verm is sterile as in it won't support life without something else like being wet .
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Re: Casing layers [Re: taGyo]
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If you have bag a vermiculite that has been sitting open for a long time dust will build up in it. Oven sterilizing not only kills the mold spores in the dust, it pretty much incinerates the dust itself so it's not a nutrient source for contaminants. If it hasn't been sitting open in a dusty place though there's really no point IMO.
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Re: Casing layers [Re: Kizzle]
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Re: Casing layers [Re: Kizzle]
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Good enough for me.
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Re: Casing layers [Re: JP5082]
#22160911 - 08/29/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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What is the usual recipe for a casing layer?
Should I set some of my bulk substrate of coir/verm from the bucket tek aside then apply it once everything looks fully colonized and fruit the tub?
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Re: Casing layers [Re: JP5082]
#22160935 - 08/29/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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coir verm at 50/50, peat and verm at 50/50 with 10% lime(only 10 % of the peat), just coir, just verm...lots of options
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Re: Casing layers [Re: JP5082]
#22209080 - 09/08/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hiiiiiiiiii guys
How long does the casing layer usually take to fully colonize once applied? Just put a casing layer on one of my tubs, this is my 1st time experimenting with casing layers and I am unsure what to expect
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Re: Casing layers [Re: JP5082]
#22209113 - 09/08/15 07:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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you dont' want it fully colonized, only 30% max
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