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Re: Casing layers [Re: taGyo]
    #22158185 - 08/28/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I was talking about the dunk and roll part, that would be pretty much the same thing right? Just a flat surface instead of a cake


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Re: Casing layers [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox]
    #22158186 - 08/28/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

And I case with cvg or peat, just saying try not to hold on to beliefs in this hobby 'cause chances are there are more ways to skin a cat or we don't understand it yet. Beliefs are what make people take shit personally, its all about good info.

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@Smoky RR has a video where he bakes or microwaves the verm and then runs his dirty fingers through it in open -air. I believe he claims it fluffs up the verm and kills mold spores. Then he rolls the cake. 99% of us skipped that step and just rolled the cake.


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Re: Casing layers [Re: taGyo]
    #22158236 - 08/28/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

wait, what? RR doesnt bake his verm. think he's said here you can bake it if something nasty like cob web is growing on it
but never seen it in his vids.

whats gonna happen after you spread it over your sub anyway? its exposed to open air and all and will be just as "dirty" as before you baked it.


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Re: Casing layers [Re: spacechildo]
    #22158256 - 08/28/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11760457

He advocated it as far as I can remember. I swore I saw a video of him baking or microwaving it somewhere.


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Re: Casing layers [Re: spacechildo]
    #22158278 - 08/28/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Wait, I'm confused, should you bring the verm to field capacity before applying it. I would think adding dry verm right out of the bag would dry up the surface of a fully colonized mono.

Never really understood why you would do that for pf cakes either. Seems counterproductive  adding dry verm to a cake, then misting it afterwards. Why not just add field capacity verm?

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Re: Casing layers [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22158283 - 08/28/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Dry verm sticks to wet surfaces. Wet verm doesn't stick as well.


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Re: Casing layers [Re: taGyo]
    #22158286 - 08/28/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

that's weird. he doesnt do it in his vids. also I have just brought my CV to field capacity without pasteurizing or adding hot water and never had the problems he described.
muda's been doign verm straight out the bag for a yr or so..


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Re: Casing layers [Re: spacechildo]
    #22158296 - 08/28/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, Muda's a fucking badass :lmafo:, he also does a lot of shit that people say you shouldn't like pour obscene amounts of LI into jars and shit.


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Re: Casing layers [Re: spacechildo]
    #22158304 - 08/28/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

50% seedling soil 50% verm
apply 1/4 inch
imo, creates a better texture than just verm, or just coir, or coir and verm

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Re: Casing layers [Re: taGyo]
    #22158308 - 08/28/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11760457

He advocated it as far as I can remember. I swore I saw a video of him baking or microwaving it somewhere.



You have never seen that man near a microwave....lol.


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Re: Casing layers [Re: PussyFart]
    #22158318 - 08/28/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've read through some of RRs latest quotes on it and he keeps refering to the cobweb he saw in his bag of moist verm.
I have fae in my tubs, bet most others too have more fae in a tub than in a bag of verm so cob web isnt really a big problem IMO..


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Re: Casing layers [Re: taGyo]
    #22158323 - 08/28/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Dry verm sticks to wet surfaces. Wet verm doesn't stick as well.



Why would you need it to stick tho? Wouldn't the field capacity verm be creating a better microclimate by sitting on the surface (allowing more gaps throughout the casing layer), and not being absorbed completely like dry verm.


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Re: Casing layers [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22158342 - 08/28/15 08:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Dry verm sticks to wet surfaces. Wet verm doesn't stick as well.



Why would you need it to stick tho? Wouldn't the field capacity verm be creating a better microclimate by sitting on the surface (allowing more gaps throughout the casing layer), and not being absorbed completely like dry verm.



It won't do that if it falls off the cakes right after u apply it.....lol

You are supposed to roll them in dry verm and let them sit for a few hours before misting, so the misting doesn't knock the verm off.....


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Re: Casing layers [Re: PussyFart]
    #22158345 - 08/28/15 08:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11760457

He advocated it as far as I can remember. I swore I saw a video of him baking or microwaving it somewhere.



You have never seen that man near a microwave....lol.



Must have been the oven :shrug:

@Psilo Well the goal is not to have wet verm, it's to have that microclimate. You don't want the verm to be sopping wet, you want it to be trapping moisture between the cake and itself, creating a humid environment between the two that tells the mushrooms where it's acceptable to put primordia. This is why we have side pins, because the space between the tub and the substrate traps that extra moisture and evaporation occurs there.

Does that make sense? I think you're thinking of verm as a substrate and not for what it is, an additional component to your coir or a casing layer for your cakes. For coir it's to help retain water, add a little nutrients and fluff up the coir in general. For cakes it's literally just to be the "side of the tub" if you understand my jist. Therefore field capacity and all those other requirements are not the same as it would be for a bulk substrate.

Also dry things just stick to wet things better. Ever try to stick a wet piece of tape on something? Not as easy as a dry one.


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Re: Casing layers [Re: PussyFart]
    #22158354 - 08/28/15 08:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Psilosoulful said:
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taGyo said:
Dry verm sticks to wet surfaces. Wet verm doesn't stick as well.



Why would you need it to stick tho? Wouldn't the field capacity verm be creating a better microclimate by sitting on the surface (allowing more gaps throughout the casing layer), and not being absorbed completely like dry verm.



It won't do that if it falls off the cakes right after u apply it.....lol

You are supposed to roll them in dry verm and let them sit for a few hours before misting, so the misting doesn't knock the verm off.....



What about a mono tho? I'm never going back to making cakes :lol:


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Re: Casing layers [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22158451 - 08/28/15 09:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Same thing, add on dry, mist till glistening.

Also, I think by sterile in those links they didn't mean clean, they meant sterile as in will not support life on it's own. Like how a woman can be sterile.

But then again RR said he saw cobweb and other molds but I think for the most part verm is sterile as in it won't support life without something else like being wet .


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Re: Casing layers [Re: taGyo]
    #22158547 - 08/28/15 09:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If you have bag a vermiculite that has been sitting open for a long time dust will build up in it. Oven sterilizing not only kills the mold spores in the dust, it pretty much incinerates the dust itself so it's not a nutrient source for contaminants. If it hasn't been sitting open in a dusty place though there's really no point IMO.


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Re: Casing layers [Re: Kizzle]
    #22158628 - 08/28/15 10:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: Casing layers [Re: Kizzle]
    #22158645 - 08/28/15 10:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:thumbup:

Good enough for me.


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Re: Casing layers [Re: JP5082]
    #22160911 - 08/29/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What is the usual recipe for a casing layer?

Should I set some of my bulk substrate of coir/verm from the bucket tek aside then apply it once everything looks fully colonized and fruit the tub?


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