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Re: Worst part of LSD [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #22168548 - 08/31/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I did not mention anything about cigarettes.  What exactly is your point? Just because my beliefs are different from yours you must assume the worst about me, is that it?

Does it ever occur to you that some medications provided by pharmacies actually help people?


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Re: Worst part of LSD [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
    #22168731 - 08/31/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I did not mention anything about cigarettes.  What exactly is your point? Just because my beliefs are different from yours you must assume the worst about me, is that it?

Does it ever occur to you that some medications provided by pharmacies actually help people?





....when used as prescribed. ...sometimes that is fucked too...side effects ect..

....imo....recreational use is lame O..........ime.....that shit is on a negative arc....u know what I'm sayin?......

.... yeah ketamine was some weird s*** but after we started cooking up bottles from Mexico and doing 16 inch rails and blowing nothing but blood out my nose in the morning I had to take a look in the mirror and go yo this s*** is f***** up! :bigyesnod:

Never touched it again and I was definitely lying to myself if I ever thought it was anything good.:wonka:

.....nothing personal bro....:shrug:

....let's be strong and healthy!...wise beyond our years!....time to RISE UP!:awethumb:


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Re: Worst part of LSD [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #22171651 - 08/31/15 10:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I used to just take 3 or 5 blotters as I woke up then it would last till like 4 or so. Nothing like white fluff to start the day I used to take it to seargent pepers lonely haurts club band and would kick in towreds the middle of this song
fucking brings me back every time. I used to ride my bike around and just look at things to this album those were the best days of my life.


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Re: Worst part of LSD [Re: voodoochild1000] * 2
    #22172202 - 09/01/15 12:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I think it's ignorant of you to generalize a population that uses pills.

Also, there's no right or wrong way on how to use psychedelics.  This is a big fucking problem with the "psychedelic movement".  I hate this way of thinking, it alienates others and weakens the psychedelic movement as a whole.





.... my feeling is that whack is whack...

Ignorant is living in denial. Literally ignoring the facts...pharmacy is crap hole shit playboy... I guess you think cigarettes are awesome too! Lol:wonka:

.... if you want to do em do em ...but let's not pretend that there something that's good for us!

.....I'm open minded....

...but I call a spade a spade...:bigyesnod::wonka:




You do realize that LSD was originally created in a lab by a man working for a pharmaceutical company, right?  Sandoz, Hoffman, ring a bell?  So much for the "PHARMA BAD!"  theory.  Your thinking reeks of irrational hippie fundamentalism and the naturalistic fallacy.     

Drugs are tools, and like any tools they can be dangerous and lead to bad results when misused by imbeciles.  But like tools, when used skillfully and with the right intent, drugs can turn something ordinary into something mystical and sublime, turn the vicissitudes of life into a work of art that connects us to the God-head.

You can still have profound experiences on drugs other than the classic indoles, especially when combined wisely with the classic indoles.  Sometimes you can reach places with a combination where you couldn't go otherwise, and an experienced tripper can go on a varied and life changing journey by using a whole arsenal of drugs to shape the experience as they want it. 

When you know the pharmacology of your drugs and understand clinically how they effect the mind and body, you can experiment with some lovely combinations.  However, that takes knowledge, skill and restraint as you could harm yourself by recklessly throwing too many drugs together.  As with any drug, the people who abuse it and destroy their lives give it a bad reputation, but it is ultimately always the person's fault.   

You can stubbornly cling to your narrow mindset, but me and everybody else that's had a really mind blowing, spiritual candy-flip, hippy flip etc. knows what you're missing.  Fortunately for you, you'll probably never understand what you lose by clinging to your narrow slice of experience and will blissfully continue to call everybody who does anything other than your preferred handful of drugs a junky. 

In that sense, you're no different than the uppity conservatives that call pyschedelic users a bunch of weirdos and get all high and mighty over them while getting drunk, popping prescription pills and smoking cigarettes. 

Check your hypocrisy and drug elitism, try a hippy flip sometime and loosen up.  You'll like it. 
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Re: Worst part of LSD [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #22172215 - 09/01/15 12:58 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:lol: well said. MDMA and LSD combo has to be my all time favorite drug combination. Such an amazing eye opening experience :aweyeah:


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Re: Worst part of LSD [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22172254 - 09/01/15 01:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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:lol: well said. MDMA and LSD combo has to be my all time favorite drug combination. Such an amazing eye opening experience :aweyeah:




My last experience combining the two got too intense for me but I feel it was because I had to babysit newbies and I dosed a bit too high on the mdma.

I will give the combination another change eventually .


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Re: Worst part of LSD [Re: ShroomyBudz]
    #22172300 - 09/01/15 01:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Worst part of Acid... obsessing about it


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Re: Worst part of LSD [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #22173460 - 09/01/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I think it's ignorant of you to generalize a population that uses pills.

Also, there's no right or wrong way on how to use psychedelics.  This is a big fucking problem with the "psychedelic movement".  I hate this way of thinking, it alienates others and weakens the psychedelic movement as a whole.





.... my feeling is that whack is whack...

Ignorant is living in denial. Literally ignoring the facts...pharmacy is crap hole shit playboy... I guess you think cigarettes are awesome too! Lol:wonka:

.... if you want to do em do em ...but let's not pretend that there something that's good for us!

.....I'm open minded....

...but I call a spade a spade...:bigyesnod::wonka:




You do realize that LSD was originally created in a lab by a man working for a pharmaceutical company, right?  Sandoz, Hoffman, ring a bell?  So much for the "PHARMA BAD!"  theory.  Your thinking reeks of irrational hippie fundamentalism and the naturalistic fallacy.     

Drugs are tools, and like any tools they can be dangerous and lead to bad results when misused by imbeciles.  But like tools, when used skillfully and with the right intent, drugs can turn something ordinary into something mystical and sublime, turn the vicissitudes of life into a work of art that connects us to the God-head.

You can still have profound experiences on drugs other than the classic indoles, especially when combined wisely with the classic indoles.  Sometimes you can reach places with a combination where you couldn't go otherwise, and an experienced tripper can go on a varied and life changing journey by using a whole arsenal of drugs to shape the experience as they want it. 

When you know the pharmacology of your drugs and understand clinically how they effect the mind and body, you can experiment with some lovely combinations.  However, that takes knowledge, skill and restraint as you could harm yourself by recklessly throwing too many drugs together.  As with any drug, the people who abuse it and destroy their lives give it a bad reputation, but it is ultimately always the person's fault.   

You can stubbornly cling to your narrow mindset, but me and everybody else that's had a really mind blowing, spiritual candy-flip, hippy flip etc. knows what you're missing.  Fortunately for you, you'll probably never understand what you lose by clinging to your narrow slice of experience and will blissfully continue to call everybody who does anything other than your preferred handful of drugs a junky. 

In that sense, you're no different than the uppity conservatives that call pyschedelic users a bunch of weirdos and get all high and mighty over them while getting drunk, popping prescription pills and smoking cigarettes. 

Check your hypocrisy and drug elitism, try a hippy flip sometime and loosen up.  You'll like it. 
:trippinbawelz:





........Elitist? ......GTFO..... I got a message from the mushroom and it basically said f*** that s***! Narrow minded? How about f*** you!:bigyesnod:


.....keep believing in the man....!.....sheesh....

.... I gave a disclaimer for L if you took time to read the post. Seems like people that want to use a bunch of pharmalogical b******* like to call other people close minded if for some reason they don't think slamming some heroin smoking some crack or crazy pill popping to be what's good! I also said if you want to do them go ahead and do them!

... I'm just a strong believer in plant teachers! I also believe in organic agriculture and avoiding processed foods! Same b*******!!

... I'll stick with my natural rhythm you can go do whatever the f*** you want dude...

.... my opinion is go with plant teachers and your opinion is pop some pills so go do what you want dude!:bigyesnod:


.....closed minded?.....

    EAT A BOWL OF DICK!:firstladyofapproval:

.....no offense......:wonka:


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Re: Worst part of LSD [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #22173466 - 09/01/15 10:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Sorry.... I have just been dying to say that:ducklol:


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Re: Worst part of LSD [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #22173490 - 09/01/15 10:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:


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Re: Worst part of LSD [Re: voodoochild1000] * 1
    #22174701 - 09/01/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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........Elitist? ......GTFO..... I got a message from the mushroom and it basically said f*** that s***! Narrow minded? How about f*** you!:bigyesnod:


.....keep believing in the man....!.....sheesh....

.... I gave a disclaimer for L if you took time to read the post. Seems like people that want to use a bunch of pharmalogical b******* like to call other people close minded if for some reason they don't think slamming some heroin smoking some crack or crazy pill popping to be what's good! I also said if you want to do them go ahead and do them!

... I'm just a strong believer in plant teachers! I also believe in organic agriculture and avoiding processed foods! Same b*******!!

... I'll stick with my natural rhythm you can go do whatever the f*** you want dude...

.... my opinion is go with plant teachers and your opinion is pop some pills so go do what you want dude!:bigyesnod:


.....closed minded?.....

    EAT A BOWL OF DICK!:firstladyofapproval:

.....no offense......:wonka:




Read about the Dunning-Kruger effect.  It appears you are too full of shit to ever realize just how full of shit you are, and as such arguing with you is futile because even if I did prove your points idiotic you wouldn't be able to understand that you'd lost.  You've officially passed the point of being an entertaining knucklehead and moved on to being an antagonistic and aggressive knucklehead.  Flame me all you want buddy, you clearly don't understand much of what I've said and that angers you, I can accept that. 
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Re: Worst part of LSD [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #22175323 - 09/01/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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........Elitist? ......GTFO..... I got a message from the mushroom and it basically said f*** that s***! Narrow minded? How about f*** you!:bigyesnod:


.....keep believing in the man....!.....sheesh....

.... I gave a disclaimer for L if you took time to read the post. Seems like people that want to use a bunch of pharmalogical b******* like to call other people close minded if for some reason they don't think slamming some heroin smoking some crack or crazy pill popping to be what's good! I also said if you want to do them go ahead and do them!

... I'm just a strong believer in plant teachers! I also believe in organic agriculture and avoiding processed foods! Same b*******!!

... I'll stick with my natural rhythm you can go do whatever the f*** you want dude...

.... my opinion is go with plant teachers and your opinion is pop some pills so go do what you want dude!:bigyesnod:


.....closed minded?.....

    EAT A BOWL OF DICK!:firstladyofapproval:

.....no offense......:wonka:




Read about the Dunning-Kruger effect.  It appears you are too full of shit to ever realize just how full of shit you are, and as such arguing with you is futile because even if I did prove your points idiotic you wouldn't be able to understand that you'd lost.  You've officially passed the point of being an entertaining knucklehead and moved on to being an antagonistic and aggressive knucklehead.  Flame me all you want buddy, you clearly don't understand much of what I've said and that angers you, I can accept that. 
:raisemyglass:



Who cares how it was made lets just be happy it was I dont trust most pharmaceuticals but to not trust them all is dumb. But lets focus on the molecule not the fact its made by man. Plants contain chemicals and the plants that are teachers (in my opinion) are structurally similar to serotonin, LSD is no different and its withheld the test of time for at least one and a half generations it seems ok. I will do any drug man made or not as long as the effects have been tested for a generation then I know what im signing up for and if its negative the last generation will know. The new pharmaceuticals are not to old some 50 years old some 5 and some since the dawn of man but still the ones that worry me are the ones less than 20 because im the one doing the test of time. If its been used heavily we would know if it was bad because no one would still do it after 20 to 50 years that's why no tribe is out there eating poisonous mushrooms and why no one wants to do things like K2 anymore its because we get thier bad since some idiots just blindly took some. Fourtonly LSD is ok.


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Re: Worst part of LSD [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #22175384 - 09/01/15 07:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

"Read about the Dunning-Kruger effect.  It appears you are too full of shit to ever realize just how full of shit you are, and as such arguing with you is futile because even if I did prove your points idiotic you wouldn't be able to understand that you'd lost.  You've officially passed the point of being an entertaining knucklehead and moved on to being an antagonistic and aggressive knucklehead.  Flame me all you want buddy, you clearly don't understand much of what I've said and that angers you, I can accept that."

Wouldn't it be funny if the Dunning-Kruger effect also applied to you in this context? Not saying it is, but I thought about it when I read your post and it made me chuckle.


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Re: Worst part of LSD [Re: Sagescruffy]
    #22175412 - 09/01/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The world is round everything flows like a circle. Once you get involved with something it will eventually come back around. Everyone does what the guy said but about different things that's why I like psychedelics, it makes you realize just how close minded you are. Dont judge anyone for not accepting your point of view because they have their own as well the only real way to get everyone to realize what's right and what's wrong is to give them a strong ego shattering compound then they will no longer care about their point of view and neither will you. Then when its just two nonjudgmental beings the solution is a simple discussion but till then it won't work your ego and his will taint both your views like a fogged pair of glasses so no one will see the truth.


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Re: Worst part of LSD [Re: Sagescruffy]
    #22175747 - 09/01/15 08:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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"Read about the Dunning-Kruger effect.  It appears you are too full of shit to ever realize just how full of shit you are, and as such arguing with you is futile because even if I did prove your points idiotic you wouldn't be able to understand that you'd lost.  You've officially passed the point of being an entertaining knucklehead and moved on to being an antagonistic and aggressive knucklehead.  Flame me all you want buddy, you clearly don't understand much of what I've said and that angers you, I can accept that."

Wouldn't it be funny if the Dunning-Kruger effect also applied to you in this context? Not saying it is, but I thought about it when I read your post and it made me chuckle.



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Aye, there's the rub.  Kind of like Socrates' suggestion that all he knew was that he knew nothing.  Though I think that in truth, Dunning-Kruger is more in line with Yeat's quote "the best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity."

I don't claim any privilege to some great truth in this case, but I can certainly spot hypocrisy when I see it. 

Another downside of LSD, to bring us back to topic, is that it tends to give me some megalomania and delusions of grandeur that mushrooms never do.  It can unravel the mind and connect you to the God-head, but it seems to often leave the ego intact, and sometimes even magnify it. 

While that makes for a pleasant experience, that tendency to fill you with feelings of psychic powers, omniscience and delusions of grandeur can be dangerous for those users with a weaker constitution that might choose to believe what the drug is telling them on those points.


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Re: Worst part of LSD [Re: thewanderer25]
    #22175816 - 09/01/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I take messages from the Devine spirit of the mushroom god....

.....Isn't that pretty open minded....?

...I'm into meta physics and chakras....

....do what ya want.....but don't say Im closed minded cuz I don't fuck with whack shit!

...heroin sucks!...it destroys lives....!.....is that closed minded?

.....really?

U can do whatever.....and I will not do what is whack imo....:bigyesnod:


.....everyone's a winner...!...:pipesmoke:

....but I'll tell ya what playboy......:wonka:


.... I spend a lot of time in the wilderness and I primarily do my mushroom trips in the 8 + gram range in wilderness settings. I have built a deep reverent connection with nature.

.....The hand of man is corrupted....

... only fools would trust the hand of man over the multitude of nature's blessings.....

...what is the chemists intent?:shrug:

....FUCK THE MANS BULLSHIT!....

..THE MUSHROOM MADE ME PROMISE TO DEFEND NATURE AND CAST ASIDE THE NEGATIVE HURTFUL THINGS AND TO SPEAK AND ACT STRONGLY FOR THAT CAUSE .....

...on the ground sobbing...praying....I PROMISED. ....!.

... I f****** know people that have died from whack drugs!

.....THIS IS WHAT I BELIEVE....AND THATS MY OPINION.!...:mindexpanding:

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Re: Worst part of LSD [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #22175827 - 09/01/15 09:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Also.......:wonka:


..... I don't know s*** about anything!:bigyesnod:


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Re: Worst part of LSD [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #22175841 - 09/01/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So if a human such as albert Hoffman synthesized psilocybin does that make it a devil drug? It's the same chemical produced naturally by the mushrooms just that a human figured out how to produce it in a lab. What about mescaline hcl that's made in a lab? Does that make it a horrible substance?

It's all about your intent with the chemical not where it originates from IMO


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Re: Worst part of LSD [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #22175867 - 09/01/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Worst part of LSD [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22175875 - 09/01/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

There's no point in arguing with him.  He'll tell you he has an open mind when really his beliefs are set in stone.


It's like trying to convince a white collar conservative that pot isn't harmful like alcohol is


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