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Amanita Muscaria Musrhoom "Latvian" strain?????
#22157082 - 08/28/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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So I've tried the Washington strain which were more of a meditative expereience. Then I tried the European strain and it was more of an energetic experience. Now my supplier sent me this Latvian strain to make up for a messed up order and was wondering if anyone knew the difference with this strain?
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Musrhoom "Latvian" strain????? [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#22159212 - 08/29/15 02:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Where the fly agaric comes from doesn't matter. Ibotenic acid and muscarine content varies from mushroom to mushroom. And for the record the muscarine is not present in an amount enough to have any effect. If your anecdotal experience differed with mushrooms from different origins, it can be explained by: 1. Potency (ibotenic acid content) of specific mushroom 2. Set and setting 3. Method of consumption (strained tea, freshly fried or dry chew) 4. Placebo (Having preconcieved notions of "strains")
Psilocybe strains is another matter entirely.
Always make strained tea btw, the fly agaric is loaded with heavy metals which are bound to the flesh and are successfully avoided with a water extraction.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Musrhoom "Latvian" strain????? [Re: Beel-Zebub]
#22159269 - 08/29/15 04:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes it does make a difference it comes from. Washington aminitas tend to produce a more narcotic or drunken trip, whereas the european mushrooms are speedy and clear headed and more visual.
Now the latvian for me personally I found to be the weakest, but it could just be my source. It is more similar to the european than the washington.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Musrhoom "Latvian" strain????? [Re: Deviate]
#22159290 - 08/29/15 04:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The only thing I'm tryin' to say here is that, it's a load of crap. Ibotenic Acid and muscimol from Australia, Siberia and Washington produce the same effects. The difference lies in set and setting. Your set is obviously compromised by your fantastical notions, Deviate.
By propagating a significant difference by geographical origin, you're denying the fact that the only variable determing the mushroom's effects, is the amount of Ibotenic Acid. By default, you are attributing the effects of the mushroom, either speedy or narcotic, to something else. Well, what is it then? You have discovered an occult chemical?
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Musrhoom "Latvian" strain????? [Re: Beel-Zebub]
#22159349 - 08/29/15 06:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Man, you can think whatever you want I am simply speaking from experience and the experience of many other people.
You can insist the washington ones are no different from the european but as long as I and those who agree with me consistently get different effects, we will continue to maintain there is a difference.
Experimental evidence outweighs hypothetical. The idea that mushrooms from different locations cant have difference effects is a hypotheses, not a fact. So far from the evidence I have seen, it does not support that hypotheses. SO why should I believe in a hypotheses that is not supported by evidence?
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Musrhoom "Latvian" strain????? [Re: Deviate]
#22159443 - 08/29/15 07:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Beel-Zebub said: Where the fly agaric comes from doesn't matter. Ibotenic acid and muscarine content varies from mushroom to mushroom. And for the record the muscarine is not present in an amount enough to have any effect. If your anecdotal experience differed with mushrooms from different origins, it can be explained by: 1. Potency (ibotenic acid content) of specific mushroom 2. Set and setting 3. Method of consumption (strained tea, freshly fried or dry chew) 4. Placebo (Having preconcieved notions of "strains")
Psilocybe strains is another matter entirely.
Always make strained tea btw, the fly agaric is loaded with heavy metals which are bound to the flesh and are successfully avoided with a water extraction.
I agree...this is complete bullshit. The Washington's and Europens produce very different trips. No shit Psilocybe strains are another matter entirely. I'm guessing you've never experimented with these and you're simply going off of some stupid article you read.
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Deviate said: Yes it does make a difference it comes from. Washington aminitas tend to produce a more narcotic or drunken trip, whereas the european mushrooms are speedy and clear headed and more visual.
Now the latvian for me personally I found to be the weakest, but it could just be my source. It is more similar to the european than the washington.
Thank you for the HELPFUL information. I was a little disappointed that they didn't send me the European strain but at least they're closer to the European strain than the Washington's. I was going to do them last night but I ate too much  But I think you're right on them not being as potent, I've read a couple of articles that said that but they say that the negative effects aren't as bad so that's good (not that I ever really had negative effects with Amanitas).
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Musrhoom "Latvian" strain????? [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#22159540 - 08/29/15 07:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Okay have it your way, don't rely on fact and logic to interpret your surroundings. Rely on anecdotes, synchronicity and magical thinking. Sure, worked well before the scientific age. We came up with all sorts of weird shit. And we believed it too. Placebo is a strong force no doubt.
Btw, you couldn't even bother to google "Latvia"? I know geography is a tough one for kids these days but come on. Latvia is a European country. They are a major exported of said mushroom. In all likelihood the last "European strain" you had was from the same country :-D
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Musrhoom "Latvian" strain????? [Re: Beel-Zebub]
#22159560 - 08/29/15 07:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Beel-Zebub said: Okay have it your way, don't rely on fact and logic to interpret your surroundings. Rely on anecdotes, synchronicity and magical thinking. Sure, worked well before the scientific age. We came up with all sorts of weird shit. And we believed it too. Placebo is a strong force no doubt.
Btw, you couldn't even bother to google "Latvia"? I know geography is a tough one for kids these days but come on. Latvia is a European country. They are a major exported of said mushroom. In all likelihood the last "European strain" you had was from the same country :-D
I googled "Amanita Muscaria Latvia strain" believe it or not, a map of the country doesn't pop up when you put in those keywords. In all likelihood, still a different strain nonetheless. They don't even have the same vibrant orangeish color of the Europeans so they at least came from a different origin. Care to share more of your useless knowledge with me oh great one?
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Musrhoom "Latvian" strain????? [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#22159614 - 08/29/15 08:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, if you ever pick these yourself, you'll soon notice. Every mushroom is different. Size, shape and even colour is variable. Red, orange, yellow, brown. They are all the same though, with exactly the same chemical make-up. They all produce the same effects.
"The taxonomy of the Amanita muscaria species group will very likely change in the near future. A 2006 study by Geml and collaborators found DNA support for the idea that the color of the cap and warts in Amanita muscaria is not necessarily indicative of phylogenetic differences. The study used molecular dating techniques to hypothesize that "[t]he ancestral population of A. muscaria likely evolved in the Siberian-Beringian region and underwent fragmentation . . . The data suggest that these populations later evolved into species, expanded [sic] their range in North America and Eurasia" (225). As for the traditional morphological features separating "varieties," the researchers noted that among the species determined by DNA, "[a]ll . . . share at least two morphological varieties with other species, sugesting ancestral polymorphism in pileus and wart color pre-dating their speciations."
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Musrhoom "Latvian" strain????? [Re: Beel-Zebub]
#22159625 - 08/29/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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20g of the Latvian is no joke.
Time dilation, confusion, visuals (made you feel as if you were trapped in a box), cold and hot swets, muscle spasms in arm, blacked out.
It was alot better at a dose of 8g, quite trippy. Interesting substance for sure but im not very interested in those anymore.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Musrhoom "Latvian" strain????? [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22159662 - 08/29/15 08:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Beel-Zebub said: Well, if you ever pick these yourself, you'll soon notice. Every mushroom is different. Size, shape and even colour is variable. Red, orange, yellow, brown. They are all the same though, with exactly the same chemical make-up. They all produce the same effects.
This is about as useful as when you told me they're different from Psilocybin mushrooms Thanks captain obvious
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MajickMuffin said: 20g of the Latvian is no joke.
Time dilation, confusion, visuals (made you feel as if you were trapped in a box), cold and hot swets, muscle spasms in arm, blacked out.
It was alot better at a dose of 8g, quite trippy. Interesting substance for sure but im not very interested in those anymore.
Holy shit dude 20 grams?!?!? 20!? The most I ever did was 10 grams of the Washingtons. I've had a steady dosage of 7 grams ever since then haha
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Musrhoom "Latvian" strain????? [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#22159676 - 08/29/15 08:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yea I started at 3, then went to 5, then went to 8. Decided for some reason to just make it 20 because I wanted to 'trip'. But what I was unaware of is that I was tripping at 8. This was my first psychedelic experience..
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Musrhoom "Latvian" strain????? [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22159681 - 08/29/15 08:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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MajickMuffin said: Yea I started at 3, then went to 5, then went to 8. Decided for some reason to just make it 20 because I wanted to 'trip'. But what I was unaware of is that I was tripping at 8. This was my first psychedelic experience..
My first psychedelic experience was DMT
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Musrhoom "Latvian" strain????? [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#22159700 - 08/29/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You lucky motherfucker. I have yet to try DMT
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Musrhoom "Latvian" strain????? [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22159722 - 08/29/15 08:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Musrhoom "Latvian" strain????? [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#22159748 - 08/29/15 08:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Kush_Zombie said: Cyb's Salt Tek
Thanks for that tek, it looks like the easiest one ive seen so far.
You spelled mushroom wrong..........
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Musrhoom "Latvian" strain????? [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22159760 - 08/29/15 09:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Kush_Zombie said: Cyb's Salt Tek
Thanks for that tek, it looks like the easiest one ive seen so far.
You spelled mushroom wrong.......... 
lmfao I saw that as soon as I posted it smh
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Musrhoom "Latvian" strain????? [Re: Kush_Zombie]
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Musrhoom "Latvian" strain????? [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22159815 - 08/29/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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That tek is for 'freebase' dmt, smokable dmt right?
EDIT: well i dont have access to mimosa hostillis anyways so id be doin ACRB
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Musrhoom "Latvian" strain????? [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22159853 - 08/29/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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MajickMuffin said: That tek is for 'freebase' dmt, smokable dmt right?
EDIT: well i dont have access to mimosa hostillis anyways so id be doin ACRB
Haha yes, all I've ever done is smoked it out of a "meth" pipe (where it was legal of course) Buy a small little cheap torch lighter. They work wonders.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Musrhoom "Latvian" strain????? [Re: Beel-Zebub]
#22162219 - 08/29/15 07:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Beel-Zebub said: Okay have it your way, don't rely on fact and logic to interpret your surroundings. Rely on anecdotes, synchronicity and magical thinking. Sure, worked well before the scientific age. We came up with all sorts of weird shit. And we believed it too. Placebo is a strong force no doubt.
What are you talking about man? You are the one who is being unscientific. You know in science there is an important thing called an experiment. If you want to prove your hypotheses that different strains dont produce different effects, you need to perform a controlled experiment and then that must be replicated in order to give it strong convincing power. I have not seen you post any scientific experiements proving the different strains dont produce different effects, therefore it would not be scientific to believe you. On the contrary, it is much more scientific to go where the evidence points you to and the evidence I have seen points to different strains giving different effects.
That is not magical thinking. THat is science. You on the other hand, are not using logic because you think that because to you it doesnt make sense that different strains would have different effects (why I have no idea, since that is actually quite common with psychoactive plants) then it must be true, regardless of the actual evidence. How is ignoring the evidence and holding fast to your not experimentally supported belief in any way scientific? Please explain that to me.
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Btw, you couldn't even bother to google "Latvia"? I know geography is a tough one for kids these days but come on. Latvia is a European country. They are a major exported of said mushroom. In all likelihood the last "European strain" you had was from the same country :-D
I know Latvia is in Europe, the only reason I am speaking of Lavtian as different from European is because that is how vendors label them. It wouldnt matter if they called them A and B, I am just speaking about my experience according to have vendors have labeled them and not from actually picking them myself.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Musrhoom "Latvian" strain????? [Re: Deviate]
#22163280 - 08/30/15 01:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The thing is; there are no strains. There is just Amanita Muscaria. It's A mushroom.
With the Psilocybe mushrooms you have DNA variation and a differing chemical make-up. Psilocybin, psilocin, baeocystin, norbaeocystin. All in different quantities. With Cannabis you have hundreds of psychoactive constituents.
And with the A.M mushroom there is: ibotenic acid, muscarine (not nearly enough to have an effect) & heavy metals. One psychoactive constituent.
And then there's the Panther. Alot more ibotenic acid, less muscarine and less heavy metals. Also stizolobic and stizolobinic acid.
The difference you experience is rooted in placebo and having preconcieved notions of strains. The issue of amanita "strains" all started with, can you guess it? The amanita shops. It's a sales gimmick. The only difference there is between mushroom to mushroom is the amount of ibotenic acid (it's a crap shoot) and if it's been exposed to sun (turns some ibotenic acid to muscimol).
If they sent them in nameless bags you would not be able to tell a difference. There is difference from session to session, one day you cant stop moving and the next you are coach locked. Read up on set and setting. With these types of substances it makes a world of difference.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Musrhoom "Latvian" strain????? [Re: Beel-Zebub]
#22163400 - 08/30/15 03:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Beel-Zebub said: The thing is; there are no strains. There is just Amanita Muscaria. It's A mushroom.
With the Psilocybe mushrooms you have DNA variation and a differing chemical make-up. Psilocybin, psilocin, baeocystin, norbaeocystin. All in different quantities. With Cannabis you have hundreds of psychoactive constituents.
And with the A.M mushroom there is: ibotenic acid, muscarine (not nearly enough to have an effect) & heavy metals. One psychoactive constituent.
And then there's the Panther. Alot more ibotenic acid, less muscarine and less heavy metals. Also stizolobic and stizolobinic acid.
The difference you experience is rooted in placebo and having preconcieved notions of strains. The issue of amanita "strains" all started with, can you guess it? The amanita shops. It's a sales gimmick. The only difference there is between mushroom to mushroom is the amount of ibotenic acid (it's a crap shoot) and if it's been exposed to sun (turns some ibotenic acid to muscimol).
If they sent them in nameless bags you would not be able to tell a difference. There is difference from session to session, one day you cant stop moving and the next you are coach locked. Read up on set and setting. With these types of substances it makes a world of difference.
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