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Deviate
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Musrhoom "Latvian" strain????? [Re: Beel-Zebub]
#22162219 - 08/29/15 07:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Beel-Zebub said: Okay have it your way, don't rely on fact and logic to interpret your surroundings. Rely on anecdotes, synchronicity and magical thinking. Sure, worked well before the scientific age. We came up with all sorts of weird shit. And we believed it too. Placebo is a strong force no doubt.
What are you talking about man? You are the one who is being unscientific. You know in science there is an important thing called an experiment. If you want to prove your hypotheses that different strains dont produce different effects, you need to perform a controlled experiment and then that must be replicated in order to give it strong convincing power. I have not seen you post any scientific experiements proving the different strains dont produce different effects, therefore it would not be scientific to believe you. On the contrary, it is much more scientific to go where the evidence points you to and the evidence I have seen points to different strains giving different effects.
That is not magical thinking. THat is science. You on the other hand, are not using logic because you think that because to you it doesnt make sense that different strains would have different effects (why I have no idea, since that is actually quite common with psychoactive plants) then it must be true, regardless of the actual evidence. How is ignoring the evidence and holding fast to your not experimentally supported belief in any way scientific? Please explain that to me.
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Btw, you couldn't even bother to google "Latvia"? I know geography is a tough one for kids these days but come on. Latvia is a European country. They are a major exported of said mushroom. In all likelihood the last "European strain" you had was from the same country :-D
I know Latvia is in Europe, the only reason I am speaking of Lavtian as different from European is because that is how vendors label them. It wouldnt matter if they called them A and B, I am just speaking about my experience according to have vendors have labeled them and not from actually picking them myself.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Musrhoom "Latvian" strain????? [Re: Deviate]
#22163280 - 08/30/15 01:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The thing is; there are no strains. There is just Amanita Muscaria. It's A mushroom.
With the Psilocybe mushrooms you have DNA variation and a differing chemical make-up. Psilocybin, psilocin, baeocystin, norbaeocystin. All in different quantities. With Cannabis you have hundreds of psychoactive constituents.
And with the A.M mushroom there is: ibotenic acid, muscarine (not nearly enough to have an effect) & heavy metals. One psychoactive constituent.
And then there's the Panther. Alot more ibotenic acid, less muscarine and less heavy metals. Also stizolobic and stizolobinic acid.
The difference you experience is rooted in placebo and having preconcieved notions of strains. The issue of amanita "strains" all started with, can you guess it? The amanita shops. It's a sales gimmick. The only difference there is between mushroom to mushroom is the amount of ibotenic acid (it's a crap shoot) and if it's been exposed to sun (turns some ibotenic acid to muscimol).
If they sent them in nameless bags you would not be able to tell a difference. There is difference from session to session, one day you cant stop moving and the next you are coach locked. Read up on set and setting. With these types of substances it makes a world of difference.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Musrhoom "Latvian" strain????? [Re: Beel-Zebub]
#22163400 - 08/30/15 03:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Beel-Zebub said: The thing is; there are no strains. There is just Amanita Muscaria. It's A mushroom.
With the Psilocybe mushrooms you have DNA variation and a differing chemical make-up. Psilocybin, psilocin, baeocystin, norbaeocystin. All in different quantities. With Cannabis you have hundreds of psychoactive constituents.
And with the A.M mushroom there is: ibotenic acid, muscarine (not nearly enough to have an effect) & heavy metals. One psychoactive constituent.
And then there's the Panther. Alot more ibotenic acid, less muscarine and less heavy metals. Also stizolobic and stizolobinic acid.
The difference you experience is rooted in placebo and having preconcieved notions of strains. The issue of amanita "strains" all started with, can you guess it? The amanita shops. It's a sales gimmick. The only difference there is between mushroom to mushroom is the amount of ibotenic acid (it's a crap shoot) and if it's been exposed to sun (turns some ibotenic acid to muscimol).
If they sent them in nameless bags you would not be able to tell a difference. There is difference from session to session, one day you cant stop moving and the next you are coach locked. Read up on set and setting. With these types of substances it makes a world of difference.
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