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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: Rose] 1
#22157216 - 08/28/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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had to google peter dinnklage.
i lol'ed
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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: Rose]
#22157243 - 08/28/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Rose said: Revenge is a dish best served cold.
I've been using that one for years. The best part is watching people have to stop and think about it.
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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: Rose] 2
#22157252 - 08/28/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm sorry to hear that Rose. That's very fucked up.
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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: nicechrisman]
#22157274 - 08/28/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks and yes. Yes it was.
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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: Rose]
#22157288 - 08/28/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Rose said: At my strongest, before transition, I would not have had a chance.
It was when my wife was threatened that I got my ass tossed rather than walked outside.
The only thing I would have done differently is that I would have forced them to use words to explain what was going on sooner in the confrontation. My situation's different from yours though, since I look like a normal white guy.
In public places like dive bars I'm overtly well-mannered, and I'm more situationally aware than usual. I'd have seen those guys coming and made eye contact with them while they approached, and I'd have started the conversation before they got close enough to touch me. Having the initiative shows that you've got some control over the situation and it makes it clear that you're not so easy a target that they can approach without consideration. I'm always thinking with violence in my subconscious at those kind of places, and I generally avoid hanging out at bars as a result. I can't really relax at bars. Besides, any party where I can't light up a joint is a party I don't want to be at.
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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
#22157305 - 08/28/15 03:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Easy to say. Harder to do. My back was turned to them. I had no reason to expect what was coming. They had planned this out and caught me completely unawares.
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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: Mr.PhilCybin] 1
#22157325 - 08/28/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Masked said: Rose I like u but stop spreading bullshit about BS. She wasn't being noble and "standing up". Her sexuality aside, she acted like an ignorant clown deserving of her dislike
Stop assuming everything boils down to having a hate on for trans
In your case it's clear the sexuality played a role. But I'm getting sick of you comparing it to BS
I do not get the pervasive Sophie hate. She was an advocate for her cause who didn't take any bullshit from the Montana morons that exist here. Rose has chosen to be less forceful but that doesn't mean Sophie was any less right or the morons were any less wrong. Any time you want to get into it with me about this I'm down. Nobody fucks with my girls.
zap I love ya man, but you gotta stop blindly defending girls here in the name of chivalry.
I'm not gonna derail this thread and turn it into yet another, "lets debate about how great of a person BS was thread." but she was not the martyr you're making her out to be.
I don't blindly defend them. Me and Sophie (and Rose) have gone at it hammer and tongs about liberalism but I support them 100% in re the trans thing. I understand the general abuse the unconvential have to put up with. Even here which makes me sad. Rose getting tossed from a redneck Montana bar is not a surprise. The abuse here is.
Sophie timed out because real life is going to be too busy for her. She is not going to school for bullshit. It is serious studies.
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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: zappaisgod] 2
#22157351 - 08/28/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Studies she could not keep her mind on before transition.
This shit is bad. I would not wish being trans on my enemies. I would have killed myself by now, had I not transitioned. My odds are better with the bigots.
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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: Rose] 1
#22157352 - 08/28/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Rose said: Easy to say. Harder to do. My back was turned to them. I had no reason to expect what was coming. They had planned this out and caught me completely unawares.
Ya. They took advantage of your comfort. It's what asshole bullies do. Their formula for being dicks hasn't changed much since they discovered it in gradeschool. There's nothing you can really do to protect yourself from it if you want to enjoy yourself freely. I must have been traumatized earlier in life or something like that to have the attitude I do. I really hate bars in particular. If I want to relax and have a drink, I'll either do it alone or with friends only (and the people they have with them). Generally, if I'm not comfortable with the idea of smoking a joint in a place, I won't have more than one or two drinks there before I leave. The world is a fucked up place in lots of way, and I'm hesitant to trust it.
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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: Rose]
#22157373 - 08/28/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Same shit hAppens with religion or folks who uphold certain kinds of beliefs. u believe them so much and know them to be true yet no one really believes you.
In cases like these u either become a suicide bomber or u learn to be tolerant with those who oppose u. U keep trying to convince folks of what u believe to be true expect to be ridiculed. It's all part of the game, what r u gonna do, it's a sick n twisted world out there.
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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: zZZz]
#22157398 - 08/28/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Or you don't go to a dive bar in Montana. You know what? I aint going to a dive bar in Bed Stuy.
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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: zZZz]
#22157409 - 08/28/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yup.
And even my most tolerant friends are critical of me for not being trans the way they imagine I should.
Things my supporters are critical of:
When I stand up for myself. When I do not stand up for myself. My appearance. My body. My desire to lop my dick off. That I have not yet had the surgery. Dressing like a guy. Dressing like a woman. My voice. My walk. My posture. When I am too feminine. When I am too masculine. When I don't go out and live my life. When I do go out and live my life. ... etc.
Even every supporter thinks they are an expert in my transition.
It can be quite maddening.
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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: Rose]
#22157435 - 08/28/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I know this will not be a popular viewpoint but what have you done to provoke all this negativity? Yeah, I know you will say "nothing" but I've known gay people who were totally out as well as transvestites and they did not have those troubles. BS constantly provoked people on the boards, I haven't seen you do that so I don't know but there must be some reason.
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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: Rose] 1
#22157448 - 08/28/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Some areas of the country are not ready for anything other then what they grew up with. I hope when you relocate it is to a more populous area preferable on either coast.
Sorry they even your closer friends can't understand that you are just being yourself not trying to fit into their idea of what you should be.
Feel better, much love.
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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: Rose] 1
#22157468 - 08/28/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am not critical of you for your voice because I know you can't do anything about it but I know it is going to be an issue.
I think that given your circumstances you really can't stand up for yourself IRL much. Maybe in another town. I am rather disappointed with a lot of members here. I'm a diehard conservative but you and Sophie and Macey don't have a bigger supprter than me
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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: Rose]
#22157474 - 08/28/15 04:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anyone who doesn't stand up for themselves deserves criticism, but sometimes there is no good retaliation and everything is just awful.
Maybe I'm not super lib, but when one goes getting their dick removes or a penis made from their toe, that is a mental something. I am tempted to say disorder, but I don't know. The genitals don't look right. I'm just me, but I would rather be a chick with a dick if I transitioned. I get not being born how you see yourself, I don't think many people are. Gender seems to be a big ont though, where people don't cope being given the wrong one. Wait five years, we will be growing vaginas and dicks on rats or something
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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: Stonehenge]
#22157476 - 08/28/15 04:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have the nerve to be different.
And you know, your friends have likely experienced similar shit at certain times in life, but like me, they stay quiet about it. It is not like I will be bragging about last night on Facebook. I will put it behind me ASAP.
The other thing? I am on female hormones.
Everybody is high on hormones. But men and women are on vastly different drugs. I have as much experience with estrogen as a thirteen year old girl. How many thirteen year old girls do you know that don't have vastly sporadic emotions? I have the advantage of maturity but I do not yet have a lot of experience with this new high.
But mostly, people just want to prove their dominance, and it pisses them off that I am not anyone's pushover. My intelligent brain sometimes just makes people want to punch it.
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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: Rose]
#22157493 - 08/28/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Rose said: Yup.
And even my most tolerant friends are critical of me for not being trans the way they imagine I should.
Things my supporters are critical of:
When I stand up for myself. When I do not stand up for myself. My appearance. My body. My desire to lop my dick off. That I have not yet had the surgery. Dressing like a guy. Dressing like a woman. My voice. My walk. My posture. When I am too feminine. When I am too masculine. When I don't go out and live my life. When I do go out and live my life. ... etc.
Even every supporter thinks they are an expert in my transition.
It can be quite maddening.
Friends do that to normal people too, but not with those particular issues usually. If they didn't try to help you with your life, then they'd feel helpless. I'b be interested to see how you answer all those questions, honestly. It's stuff I've barely thought about at best. It's got to be interesting to be a shade of grey in a role that everybody expects to be strictly black or white. for fighting the good fight, even if you get your ass beat down and humiliated in the process.
Have you ever considered taking any martial arts classes? I feel like you might have some pent up desire to both commit and better understand acts of violence.
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U should work out and get ripped op. Like Macey, I'll bet she's got some muscle on her and apparently she's like 6ft something, I'll bet no one fucks with her.
Take some defence classes or something, maybe nicechrisman can give u few pointers in the arts of aikido, haahyaaa!
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specialpeopleclub said: Anyone who doesn't stand up for themselves deserves criticism, but sometimes there is no good retaliation and everything is just awful.
Maybe I'm not super lib, but when one goes getting their dick removes or a penis made from their toe, that is a mental something. I am tempted to say disorder, but I don't know. The genitals don't look right. I'm just me, but I would rather be a chick with a dick if I transitioned. I get not being born how you see yourself, I don't think many people are. Gender seems to be a big ont though, where people don't cope being given the wrong one. Wait five years, we will be growing vaginas and dicks on rats or something
Being trans is not a Liberal thing. Trans people just don't tend to side with the party that wishes to oppress them.
Being trans is not technically a mental disorder. Partly because it is not treatable mentally.
There is no doubt there is an incongruity between my brain and my body, but there is no known way to make my brain feel male.
In fact, my brain is quite sound. Living with these circumstances, I would challenge anyone to stay more sane than I have.
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