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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22156770 - 08/28/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: Rose] * 1
    #22156816 - 08/28/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You wouldn't have unless you knew what was really going on. None of my friends did. They didn't really even have a chance. I was removed from their area so quickly and really, when someone gets 86'd it is logical to stay the Hell out of it. None of them had a chance to learn this was happening over a dollar.





For the record, if one of my friends got grabbed like that by anybody while I was nearby, I'd be there putting my physical presence into the situation promptly, and if I was with other friends, then I wouldn't be alone. I wouldn't attack, but I'd certainly be in the way and making addressing my concerns an important matter for all parties involved. It's logical for strangers to stay the hell out of that stuff, but it's wrong for friends to do it. Who the hell drinks a beer while a friend gets grabbed from behind without any form of explanation!?


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They had absolutely no right to lay hands on you. That's assault and battery. Personally, the police would have shown up there after I was treated like that, either to deal with those assholes directly, if I was in a civil mood, or to figure out why 2 out of the three of them were lying on the floor with collapsed trachea or missing eyes. Doing what they did is also a great way to get lawfully shot in my state.




That is a way to get my ass shot in retaliation. You don't take on the staff of a bar full of drunk patrons who like their bartenders.

Really folks, trust the 40 year old tranny on this one. You only pick fights when you know you will win. That is also why so many people have picked fights with me. These people had a legal reason for booting me from their establishment. It was bullshit and I know it, but all they would need to tell any authority was the truth. I was not a paying customer.




They were within their rights to ask to to leave, but they had absolutely no right to lay hands on you. I'm not saying you should have picked a fight, and you probably would have gotten your ass kicked if you put up resistance, but you were clearly assaulted in that story. You not paying them doesn't give them the right to assault you. I don't know the laws in your state, but in mine you can legally bring a concealed gun into a bar. Bar fights are generally done with mutual consent, and bouncers don't generally start fights even in the dives. If the bar tender pulled that shit with me, I'd have called 911 because his stupid ass will eventually get somebody seriously hurt.


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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #22156874 - 08/28/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

While you are technically right, there is little chance in legal retaliation resulting in a satisfactory conclusion. It really is he said, tranny said. There is no need to escalate a situation any further. They knew they were in the wrong. That is why they scrambled when I got my phone.

It is easy to armchair quarterback a situation like this... but some day I may REALLY need the cops on my side and that is the sad truth. I am not going to get them involved this time. It is not worth it. It would just give people a reason to go after me. When you stand out like a sore thumb, you make an easy target. I do not need the paranoia.

I just get to live with the knowledge that one dollar will cost that bar many more dollars in the future. They can take the hit but ultimately what they did was bad for their bottom line. They lost money in that transaction.

The people I was with will take their money elsewhere. That is all the satisfaction I need from this debacle.


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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: Rose]
    #22156906 - 08/28/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The people I was with will take their money elsewhere.




Which will do no good unless they contact the bar owners and voice their displeasure.


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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: Mr.GuessWork] * 1
    #22156914 - 08/28/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Oh, and they are not exactly my friends. They work with my wife. We are friendly. They do not know me well enough to come to my defense when a bartender at a place they frequent gives me the 86.

I wish they had defended me but were I in their shoes and the bartender took on a new acquaintance of mine, one I had never had a drink with before, I probably would have done the same thing. Of course I would claim otherwise the next day on The Shroomery and brag about how I would have really taken them all on out of honor and whatnot... :tongue:


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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22156916 - 08/28/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The people I was with will take their money elsewhere.




Which will do no good unless they contact the bar owners and voice their displeasure.




Exactly. No good will come of this.

I was assaulted and I have to bend over and take it like a man.


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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: Rose] * 2
    #22156918 - 08/28/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

A naked blonde walks into a bar with a poodle under one arm and a two-foot salami under the other. She lays the poodle on the table. Bartender says,'I suppose you won't be needing a drink.' Naked lady says...


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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #22156924 - 08/28/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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A naked blonde walks into a bar with a poodle under one arm and a two-foot salami under the other. She lays the poodle on the table. Bartender says,'I suppose you won't be needing a drink.' Naked lady says...



that one flies miles over my head


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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22156939 - 08/28/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I would have picked up a knife on them, or a glass and started swinging. Cunts like that deserve to die, and have no right to touch you like that. You should call the Better Business Bureau or something. What the fuck? This makes me so mad. Thee men assaulted you. Weather they know you or not, the people you were with are cunts for not standing up, and they should all choke on their own puke


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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22156950 - 08/28/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You gotta pick your fights. Small town, one can make enemies that way. Transphobia can easily escalate to serious violence.

Best to save that physical aggression for when your life, not your honor, is in danger. But Rose knows that.


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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: Rose]
    #22156954 - 08/28/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Rose, my dear, I have said this before and I will say it again.  Get the fuck out of Montana.  And, really, nobody had an extra two dollars to lend you for a shitty beer?


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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: Asante] * 1
    #22156972 - 08/28/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not a fan of picking battles, but then, I recognise that is an unwise path. You let people push you around once, then you are a target for life


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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: zappaisgod] * 2
    #22156974 - 08/28/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I did not have the chance to ask.

I only found out why I was being booted after I was removed from the group. I was content to hang with the folks and not drink.

Trust me Zap, this got my wife ready to leave town like nothing else before it. We will make an exit soon.


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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: Rose] * 2
    #22156988 - 08/28/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Trust me Zap, this got my wife ready to leave town like nothing else before it. We will make an exit soon.




Good! Very good. :hug:


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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: Rose] * 1
    #22156990 - 08/28/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah get the fuck out.  Sounds as redneck as my town :frown:


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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: Rose]
    #22156991 - 08/28/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Good.


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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: Rose] * 2
    #22156993 - 08/28/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Oh, and they are not exactly my friends. They work with my wife. We are friendly. They do not know me well enough to come to my defense when a bartender at a place they frequent gives me the 86.

I wish they had defended me but were I in their shoes and the bartender took on a new acquaintance of mine, one I had never had a drink with before, I probably would have done the same thing. Of course I would claim otherwise the next day on The Shroomery and brag about how I would have really taken them all on out of honor and whatnot... :tongue:





Fair enough, but for what it's worth I would have had your back better than that if I were out drinking with you and you were attacked with physical force like that, and I'm not just talking big. I don't go to dive bars with people I don't trust though, and I don't generally hang with other peoples' work friends, and I guess I wouldn't expect much from them if I did. But it sucks that nobody but your wife stood up to that bullshit. It's fucking lame, and I hope her work friends are still looking for their spines.

Just don't get stuck with a victims mindset. I agree you handled the situation in the best way possible, but don't be timid about fucking up somebody's day in the future. You're flat-out entitled to more basic respect than you were shown.

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Trust me Zap, this got my wife ready to leave town like nothing else before it. We will make an exit soon.




Good. Nobody should have to grit their teeth and take bullshit like this. It's fucking disgusting.


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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #22157025 - 08/28/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I wish I would have been there rose.  Outnumbered doesn't mean anything to me.  I would have went all sorts of northern redneck crazy on them

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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22157029 - 08/28/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm not a fan of picking battles, but then, I recognise that is an unwise path. You let people push you around once, then you are a target for life




Dude. I am trans. I am a target for life.

Look at BlindSophist! She fought back here, and it only made things worse for her. You NEVER let people see you cry or you're fucked. She will forever be blamed for standing up for herself. Why? Because people say they don't like how she did it. In reality, people just don't like THAT she did it.

The same shit happens in real life but with fists rather than words.

Three assailants become six. Six become twelve. And on and on...

Again, trust the old tranny on this.

There is no real handbook for what I live with on a daily basis. These things are learned the hard way.

Just because I will not fight this, does not mean I accept it as ok. I know what it was. I was assaulted because I am trans. That is not ok.

But logic is lost on brutes.


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Re: A Trans Woman Walks Into a Bar... [Re: Rose] * 2
    #22157049 - 08/28/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Rose I like u but stop spreading bullshit about BS.  She wasn't being noble and "standing up".  Her sexuality aside, she acted like an ignorant clown deserving of her dislike


Stop assuming everything boils down to having a hate on for trans


In your case it's clear the sexuality played a role.  But I'm getting sick of you comparing it to BS


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