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If you care about your health you should drink alcohol
    #22155994 - 08/28/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

"- One of the most contentious issues in the vast literature about alcohol consumption has been the consistent finding that those who don't drink tend to die sooner than those who do.

-  abstaining from alcohol does tend to increase one's risk of dying, even when you exclude former problem drinkers. The most shocking part? Abstainers' mortality rates are higher than those of heavy drinkers.

- Moderate alcohol use (especially when the beverage of choice is red wine) is thought to improve heart health, circulation and sociability, which can be important because people who are isolated don't have as many family members and friends who can notice and help treat health problems.

- Even though heavy drinking is associated with higher risk for cirrhosis and several types of cancer (particularly cancers in the mouth and esophagus), heavy drinkers are less likely to die than people who don't drink, even if they never had a problem with alcohol

- That said, the new study provides the strongest evidence yet that moderate drinking is not only fun but good for you. So make mine a double."




People bitch and moan here about alcohol being a hard drug, but for most people it is actually the complete opposite. You end up living longer and honestly a glass of wine a day is good for you. If I were a father and was raising a young boy, I would let him have a few sips of my beer here and there if he wanted to. If you were to ask me whether I would let him try some heroin, my answer would be hell fucking no.

People here act like booze is worse then heroin which is simply not the case for most people. Based on my research and the numerous studies I read, even heavy drinkers are outliving the average non drinkers.

Straight edge folk never have a good way to unwind and clearly people underestimate the power of self medicating with drinking. If I cared more about my health I would start drinking since honestly I rarely drink. I am thinking about starting to drink here and there for the health benefits. I mean, who doesn't want to live longer.

What do you guys think about all this?


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 1
    #22156011 - 08/28/15 11:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

links?...I have heard of studies talking about a glass of red wine helping your heart health....but that is crap about heavy drinkers living longer.


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 1
    #22156013 - 08/28/15 11:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I certainly enjoy a couple of beers at the end of the day. I try to not let it become too regular of a habit though because I have had issues with excessive drinking in the past.

I disagree though about it not being a hard drug. It certainly has the potential to be especially in the form of hard liquor. Drink a bottle of whiskey to your face and try to tell me it's not a hard drug.


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #22156026 - 08/28/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I just googled searched it and took quotes. I don't have the links lol :lol:

This whole issue though is not even up for debate. If you want to live longer, drink a small amount of alcohol. Stress and worrying shortens your life significantly.


I do not consider alcohol a hard drug unless you abuse it badly but even then if you abuse any drug badly you are gonna have a bad time. I think for the vast vast majority of the population, alcohol is a life enhancer rather then a crippling addiction. Even most hardcore alcoholics still function to an extent.

The same could not be said for any meth or heroin user. They poop out sometimes in a matter of months and things spiral way way faster.

I think drinking is a good thing and balance is key.


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22156077 - 08/28/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 1
    #22156250 - 08/28/15 11:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

even just one beer dumbs me down alot, it's not really something i enjoy, but once u're in the groove u hardly notice this dumbing effect and those are usually the best times to drink imho.

fuck booze tho, i just hate how available it is and in extremely large quantities, and idk it really fucks up communities n shit, families, etc., just destroys too many lives nowadays. 


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Mr.GuessWork] * 4
    #22156282 - 08/28/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think I can end this thread pretty easily;
"Correlation does not equal causation"

also, does it not strike you as coincidental that the three legal drugs all have numerous research showing that they are beneficial?
nicotine helps alziehmers, alc helps aging, and caffiene supposedly helps depression. It sounds to me like people just trying to justify their use

I am not saying you are wrong or even that you are right. I am saying trying to put these behaviors into categories like "this is good" and "this is bad" etc. is silly

After a few glasses of wine I tend to feel groggy in the morning and maybe dry. Alcohol noticably decreases my recovery from workouts. As such, I reduce consumption and try and avoid keeping it in the house

As with red meat, I generally have found eating tons of it daily tends to make me lethargic and low energy. But when I eat it occasionally in small amounts, it makes me feel incredibly satiated, satisfied and happy

With MDMA, I feel that the first few times were magical, but beyond that, psychedelics seems to take me much deeper

I could go on, but spending your time on the internet trying to find scientific studies justifying what is right and wrong is stupidity. You need to find out what works for you. I am a healthnut and I have found that eating less oil and more veggies and grains makes me feel energetic. Others say eating tons of meat makes them feel energetic. Different strokes different folks. Genetics, personality, mindset, careers and family/lifestyle are all factors that come into what choices you want to make

I highly doubt that alcohol actually carries benefits beyond wine. And the same polyphenols that have been shown to benefit humans through wine can be found in berries and grapes. Instead of trying to justify bad habits with studies you could just say "Fuck you all, I enjoy wine". But trying to justify alcohol consumption as improving your health is retarded. Want to improve your health? How about getting the same benefits from veggies and berries instead of beer and wine?

I don't sleep 8 hours because science says it will help. I do it to feel good. I don't eating a largely vegatarian diet because science tells me to. I do it because I feel good eating meat occasionally rather than daily. I don't meditate because doctors say there are benefits, I do it because it helps me become a better person and has changed my life


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: zZZz]
    #22156292 - 08/28/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Alcohol is beneficial to some but not all people in low to moderate doses.



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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: sunkeep] * 1
    #22156298 - 08/28/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22156308 - 08/28/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

My body doesn't like alcohol. It gives me a headache, nausea and terrible insomnia. Different strokes for different folks. I do other things to relax. :shrug:


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: zZZz] * 2
    #22156311 - 08/28/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Also, how drinking effects your body can depend heavily on your ancestry. It's mostly people with ancestry from places that didn't have alcohol until fairly recently which really can lead to liver problems or heavy alcoholism.

Like indigenous people in the Americas have a higher chance for alcoholism and heavy liver damage as alcohol only popped up relatively recently. Or certain groups in africa, asia, and indigenous australians.

Also, if alcoholism runs in the family, it's best to stay away from that.

But IMO, the worst thing that alcohol can cause is violence, or at least the lowered inhibition to let violence come out. Abusive parents or significant others are more likely to drink.

But of course alcohol can be used in moderation. But IMO, people need to be educated a bit more about alcohol, as it is a drug and many people overdose on it daily.


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: topdog82]
    #22156321 - 08/28/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You shouldn't say F-You to science, man. It's good to think critically about stuff on your own, but you should also try to benefit from the more disciplined and much broader critical thought of other people. That's what science is about.


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #22156418 - 08/28/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not gonna be tasting alcohol for the next 3 years. It's hard cause my mom runs a winery and my dad loves vodka (more than I do). Anytime I'm around family, alcohol is flowing.
Never had a history of alcoholism in the family either.

I enjoy moderate drinking, but I'm abstaining for other reasons.


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    #22156419 - 08/28/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: BlackWidow] * 3
    #22156448 - 08/28/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

This is a false positive.

People who don't drink alcohol often don't drink to compensate for poor health, which means they are less healthy to begin with.

When you drink alcohol it gets metabolized via acetaldehyde, a carcinogen. Thus, every sip of alcohol equals a splash of carcinogen entering your body. Alcohol is also a simple toxin, that kills brain cells. We know this people!

People who drink alcohol daily are positively correlated with becoming alcoholics later in life.

Please show me proof that daily use of alcohol is correlated with an actual pharmacological health benefit.

Last piece I read on it made clear there is no such research.

Alcohol is one of the worst drugs to be addicted to. It kills in large numbers.

I drink a few glasses a month. Problematic alcohol use is an issue in my family, on my fathers side.



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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Asante]
    #22156510 - 08/28/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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This is a false positive.

People who don't drink alcohol often don't drink to compensate for poor health, which means they are less healthy to begin with.

When you drink alcohol it gets metabolized via acetaldehyde, a carcinogen. Thus, every sip of alcohol equals a splash of carcinogen entering your body. Alcohol is also a simple toxin, that kills brain cells. We know this people!

People who drink alcohol daily are positively correlated with becoming alcoholics later in life.

Please show me proof that daily use of alcohol is correlated with an actual pharmacological health benefit.

Last piece I read on it made clear there is no such research.

Alcohol is one of the worst drugs to be addicted to. It kills in large numbers.

I drink a few glasses a month. Problematic alcohol use is an issue in my family, on my fathers side.





This 100%

Drink if you want to drink. Be mindful of the research on both sides of this issue, and understand the difference between responsible use and abuse


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Asante]
    #22156533 - 08/28/15 12:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Agreed. People that are diabetic can't drink because it can kill them. Moderate drinking for diabetics would not "increase their life spans."


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #22156699 - 08/28/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

drinking is just something to get people together and then send them flying apart in the opposite directions later


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Konyap]
    #22156817 - 08/28/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I drink kombucha. No way getting drunk is healthy, since it is the result of overloading your liver with alcohol, which takes days to recover from


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: BlackWidow]
    #22156922 - 08/28/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Correlation does not equal causation.

What these studies are saying is that drinking at an older age is associated with decreased mortality, not that alcohol itself decreases your mortality. The association is likely caused by the fact that people that drink at an older age are probably already healthier in the first place, than the ones who stay home and not ever go out. This is called a confounding variable.

Another example is owning 2 or more cars is associated with greatly increased health. Did that second car really increase their health? No, it's that fact that only wealthier people can afford multiple cars. And wealth has always been correlated with increased health due to availability of healthier foods and access to better healthcare.




Most of these large-scale studies are correlational ones. with a big enough sample size you can probably address most of the obvious factors like health problems and socioeconomic status. These studies seem to have tried to address some of those concerns, and it looks like moderate alcohol consumption doesn't seem to have a significant impact on the death-rate of most people. The study cited in the article didn't look at quality of life or anything like that, but it suggests that somebody can generally have a few beers after work everyday and not be any worse off than a temperance-era Sunday-school teacher. A correlation study provides more confidence in a claim than than wives tales do.

Can anybody post a study that shows a causal or strong correlation relationship between moderate alcohol use and mortality or the morbitity of certain diseases? If not, then you guys haven't got much to stand on to back up all these claims that alcohol use is bad. (the higher addiction risk is a reasonable example of a negative that can associated with moderate use, asante). I haven't really looked into the issue either, but I'm perfectly willing to see evidence for either side.



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Agreed. People that are diabetic can't drink because it can kill them. Moderate drinking for diabetics would not "increase their life spans."




I'm a diabetic, and I drink moderately without any problems. All the diabetics that I know drink too, and they don't have any problems with it either. Moderate drinking does no specific harm to diabetics that I'm aware of. Heavy drinking to the point of black out is dangerous because a blacked out person can't respond to a low blood glucose level with anything other than a seizure, and not taking insulin for any sugar in the alcohol (which is not listed on nutrition labels god dammit) can cause hyperglycemia, which has long-term health effects that are bad, but aside from those two things, drinking is pretty manageable for diabetics, and I'd expect them to get the same pros and cons from alcohol use that anybody else gets.


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Mr.GuessWork] * 2
    #22157218 - 08/28/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Coming from someone who considers health and fitness a big part of their life, and knowing how alcohol effects certain hormonal and digestive functions. OP, you are full of fucking shit.


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Mescalean] * 1
    #22157256 - 08/28/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Coming from someone who considers health and fitness a big part of their life, and knowing how alcohol effects certain hormonal and digestive functions. OP, you are full of fucking shit.



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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Mescalean] * 2
    #22157330 - 08/28/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Coming from someone who considers health and fitness a big part of their life, and knowing how alcohol effects certain hormonal and digestive functions. OP, you are full of fucking shit.




You sound like you could use a drink.


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 1
    #22157355 - 08/28/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't know how anyone enjoys alcohol consecutively. For me, I've really noticed after extended breaks, that it has that 'magic' tolerance concept like a lot of other drugs. Like a psychedelic. It's warm, bubbly, euphoric, lots of nice things, but after a day or two of even mild drinking it produces a very real dulling effect on the senses as well as your perception and overall mental acuity.


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22157365 - 08/28/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Aubrey De Grey is similar in his views when it comes to longevity. He sites that the average Japanese person loves only four years longer then the average American. This sounds like it makes sense. The thing is, four years in a life as short as a humans means a huge statistical change. Four percent, if you live to one hundred as most won't, is not a small number. Eight percent if you die at fifty.
Then he doesn't take into account individuals. Looking at longevity in sweeping statistics seems to have a way of making people be more fatalistic about health, which is a terrible mistake.just like the correlations here ignore the intrinsic biological damage alcohol does.

Also, since we are dead set on killing ourselves with heart disease through  consumption of things like high O6 vegetable oils in every meal, if alcohol helps people not die of heart attacks, it will show that it extends longevity. If you take care of yourself, you can avoid heart disease for the most part it seems


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22157381 - 08/28/15 04:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Moderate alcohol drinkers are less stressed then non drinkers.

It makes sense they live longer, study after study has proven this to be the case. This isn't even up for debate.


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22157384 - 08/28/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah because there isn't better ways to relieve stress.


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22157411 - 08/28/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Perhaps people need to learn how to manage stress better. What is moderate?


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22157697 - 08/28/15 05:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Moderate alcohol drinkers are less stressed then non drinkers.

It makes sense they live longer, study after study has proven this to be the case. This isn't even up for debate.



Are you even reading the posts ppl are putting up?

The longevity link is purely correlational. The pharmocological links are at best a theory


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22157904 - 08/28/15 06:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm gonna be immortal.





:laugh2:

me too!

This Nat Geo explorer/author wrote a couple of books about the "Blue Zones" & I really want to read it! The author details the five regions of the world that have been identified by US researchers as having the highest concentration of centenarians. Theses Blue Zones are also pretty much free of diabetes, cancer, obesity and heart disease according to the research.

The Blue Zones are: Ikaria, Greece; Okinawa, Japan; Ogliastra Region, Sardinia; Loma Linda, Calif.; and Nicoya Peninsula, Costa Rica

the consistencies in their dietary habits:

-Stop eating when your stomach is 80 percent full to avoid weight gain.
-Eat the smallest meal of the day in the late afternoon or evening.
-Eat mostly plants, especially beans. And eat meat rarely, in small portions of 3 to 4 ounces. Blue Zoners eat portions this size just five times a month, on average.
-Drink alcohol moderately and regularly, i.e. 1-2 glasses a day.

I'm thinking there must be something to this, however, I also think the 1-2 glasses a day thing is hard for a lot of people to maintain.


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: yogabunny]
    #22157915 - 08/28/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I can assure you that the 1 to 2 thing is not applicable to me.


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: yogabunny]
    #22157917 - 08/28/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

After the first one the dash usually ends up getting lost somewhere between the ATM and the hazy walk home.


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22157923 - 08/28/15 06:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)



Because you aren't here.


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22157939 - 08/28/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)



Id way rather be there. Drinking alone kind of loses its luster after the fourth beer.


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22157957 - 08/28/15 06:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm gonna be immortal.



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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22158026 - 08/28/15 07:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Id way rather be there. Drinking alone kind of loses its luster after the fourth beer.



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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #22158033 - 08/28/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've been looking for a reason to cash out my AA coins :cheers:


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: BlackWidow]
    #22159621 - 08/29/15 08:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

This summer I went from one drink a day to two, then three, and now it's four beers an evening plus a joint.
And that does not take those weekends into acount where you and your mates just get fucked up.

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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Asante]
    #22159647 - 08/29/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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When you drink alcohol it gets metabolized via acetaldehyde, a carcinogen. Thus, every sip of alcohol equals a splash of carcinogen entering your body. Alcohol is also a simple toxin, that kills brain cells. We know this people!





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    #22159658 - 08/29/15 08:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

We don't drink 50-250ml of pure solvent or any other alien chemical in one sitting. We don't do this with acetone or turpentine or chloroform.


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Asante]
    #22159845 - 08/29/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I drink too much alcohol and I am fully aware that if I don't stop this shit soon, it's going to be my cause of death.

Fortunately for me. The first 2 drinks I have everyday is good for my health.


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Prisoner#1]
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When you drink alcohol it gets metabolized via acetaldehyde, a carcinogen. Thus, every sip of alcohol equals a splash of carcinogen entering your body. Alcohol is also a simple toxin, that kills brain cells. We know this people!





everything is a toxin



That doesnt really justify drinking.
"You are smoking meth"
"so?"
"that shit is basically poison"
"Everything is a poison"


That being said, alcohol is probably a milder poison compared to others


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Asante]
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We don't drink 50-250ml of pure solvent or any other alien chemical in one sitting. We don't do this with acetone or turpentine or chloroform.





water is a solvent, alcohol is far from a pure solvent, it's always diluted and often adulterated


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: topdog82]
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Quote:

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When you drink alcohol it gets metabolized via acetaldehyde, a carcinogen. Thus, every sip of alcohol equals a splash of carcinogen entering your body. Alcohol is also a simple toxin, that kills brain cells. We know this people!





everything is a toxin



That doesnt really justify drinking.
"You are smoking meth"
"so?"
"that shit is basically poison"
"Everything is a poison"


That being said, alcohol is probably a milder poison compared to others





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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22160083 - 08/29/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Decreases protein synthesis by 60 percent and lowers testosterone in men( for all those real men drink types out there)


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topdog82 said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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Asante said:
When you drink alcohol it gets metabolized via acetaldehyde, a carcinogen. Thus, every sip of alcohol equals a splash of carcinogen entering your body. Alcohol is also a simple toxin, that kills brain cells. We know this people!





everything is a toxin



That doesnt really justify drinking.
"You are smoking meth"
"so?"
"that shit is basically poison"
"Everything is a poison"


That being said, alcohol is probably a milder poison compared to others





pointing out facts doesnt equate to justification



I wasn't trying to justify any actions. Whether one chooses to smoke meth or drink alcohol or stay sober is that person descision

Im merely stating scientific facts. Alcohol is a poison. If one chooses to understand this and still drink, that is completely okay. (I have made that decision) :beer:


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22161176 - 08/29/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

In "Muslim" countries where non-Muslims can be executed for blasphemy, Muslims live longer.

Does that mean that being a Muslim is good for you?


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: endogenous]
    #22161361 - 08/29/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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In "Muslim" countries where non-Muslims can be executed for blasphemy, Muslims live longer.

Does that mean that being a Muslim is good for you?




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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: BlackWidow]
    #22161992 - 08/29/15 06:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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"Heavy alcohol consumption has both immediate and long-term detrimental effects on the brain and neuropsychological functioning (Delin and Lee 1992; Evert and Oscar-Berman 1995). Heavy drinking accelerates shrinkage, or atrophy, of the brain, which in turn is a critical determinant of neurodegenerative changes and cognitive decline in aging (Meyer et al. 1998). The shrinkage of brain tissue seen in Alzheimer's disease and alcoholism is shown in the figure."



Source: http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh25-4/299-306.htm



If this is accurate, it should be on every alcohol case like the smoker lungs pictures in canada and other places. Fuck, what a gross thing that is


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22162045 - 08/29/15 06:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Just pointing out that red wine has grapes that have antioxidants. Antioxidants are good for helping prevent memory loss and Alzheimer's disease.

I don't know this next part but I think it could help with preventing cholesterol from oxidizing too.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150204184230.htm


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Ihateyou]
    #22162056 - 08/29/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

There's no reason to believe that the antioxidant properties of grapes in wine are a reasonable alternative to something without drugs. A healthy, balanced diet is far more significant.


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: larry.fisherman]
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You can just eat the grapes or drink grape juice like they did in the study.


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Ihateyou]
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If you have dementia there's  a 1/3 chance you have alzheimers.


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    #22162403 - 08/29/15 08:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Nicotine is neuroprotective, and recent studies have show that it prevents the development of Alzheimer Disease. As does Cannabis.


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Achillita]
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That's most likely from socializing

I'm pretty sure all of the extra gas inhaled in ciggerettes atrophies the brain, just like alcohol


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Konyap]
    #22162483 - 08/29/15 09:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

sheeeeeit. i don't care about my health and i drink alcohol.

alcohol is organic, vegan, non-GMO. some of it is even  gluten free

anything that's gluten free HAS to be healthy, right?


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:lol: If you care about your neuroprotective health, vape/smoke nicotine.

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:lol: If you care about your neuroprotective health, vape/smoke nicotine.

Or weed at least.




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    #22162552 - 08/29/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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"Heavy alcohol consumption has both immediate and long-term detrimental effects on the brain and neuropsychological functioning (Delin and Lee 1992; Evert and Oscar-Berman 1995). Heavy drinking accelerates shrinkage, or atrophy, of the brain, which in turn is a critical determinant of neurodegenerative changes and cognitive decline in aging (Meyer et al. 1998). The shrinkage of brain tissue seen in Alzheimer's disease and alcoholism is shown in the figure."



Source: http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh25-4/299-306.htm



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    #22162559 - 08/29/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

as long as you smoke that cant happen bro.

the tobacco offsets the damage from the alcohol. everyone knows that


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Prisoner#1]
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We don't drink 50-250ml of pure solvent or any other alien chemical in one sitting. We don't do this with acetone or turpentine or chloroform.





water is a solvent, alcohol is far from a pure solvent, it's always diluted and often adulterated



everclear is pretty damn pure

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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: trvptamine]
    #22162573 - 08/29/15 09:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I hate drinking. It's such a shitty high and it makes people stupid, annoying, loud and dicks.
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    #22162999 - 08/29/15 11:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

People are going to drink regardless of any so called proof on either end. Its a readily available drug to help people relax and free their mind of the stress of living in our society. Its socialy acceptable most everywhere.

There could be a guy wasted on a potentially dangerous amount of alcohol and reactions would be "haha look how fucked up he is" as those ppl take another drink. As apposed to maybe a guy tripping hard on acid "someone call the police this kids on drugs he needs help".

Theres so many excuses ppl can use to drink. If you want to drink then fine, but i personally believe most drinkers are just in denial about their use.

I personally hate alcohol its caused nothing but trouble for me. Its my devil drug, im in what would be considered my prime party phase in life...but i havent had a drink for almost a year :shrug: and plan never to again. It just cant be healthy. It turns ppl into douchebags and takes many lives.


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Mr. Magic]
    #22163087 - 08/30/15 12:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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People are going to drink regardless of any so called proof on either end. Its a readily available drug to help people relax and free their mind of the stress of living in our society. Its socialy acceptable most everywhere.

There could be a guy wasted on a potentially dangerous amount of alcohol and reactions would be "haha look how fucked up he is" as those ppl take another drink. As apposed to maybe a guy tripping hard on acid "someone call the police this kids on drugs he needs help".

Theres so many excuses ppl can use to drink. If you want to drink then fine, but i personally believe most drinkers are just in denial about their use.

I personally hate alcohol its caused nothing but trouble for me. Its my devil drug, im in what would be considered my prime party phase in life...but i havent had a drink for almost a year :shrug: and plan never to again. It just cant be healthy. It turns ppl into douchebags and takes many lives.



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    #22163089 - 08/30/15 12:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I do actually drink moderately, but I can't stand to be around drunk people, and it makes me feel like shit.  Like I will have 1-3 beers maybe once a week, usually just one.  I love the taste with certain foods, but have no desire to use it for recreation.  I think this is probably the first summer in my adult life where I didn't get drunk once, and I've never felt better.

Fuck alcohol.  It's worse than crack and heroin and all illegal drugs combined, some people just have shriveled their brains too much to recognize this :sadyes:


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Yeah I do actually drink moderately, but I can't stand to be around drunk people, and it makes me feel like shit.  Like I will have 1-3 beers maybe once a week, usually just one.  I love the taste with certain foods, but have no desire to use it for recreation.  I think this is probably the first summer in my adult life where I didn't get drunk once, and I've never felt better.

Fuck alcohol.  It's worse than crack and heroin and all illegal drugs combined, some people just have shriveled their brains too much to recognize this :sadyes:



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    #22163192 - 08/30/15 12:58 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I just dont party. I dont like the scene. Ive never done either of those but id probably do E rather than alcohol. There isnt moderation for me when it comes to alcohol.

If you can drink in moderation then thats good nothing wrong with that. I cant stand to be arounde drunk ppl. Like i said they are usually being douchebags...i know i got like that when i drank.

I was in denial about it but like what was said above most ppl have just fried their brain enough to where they cant see the fact alcohol sucks and that they should take a step back and look at what theyre doing. I learned though.

Im talking about ppl that drink too often and dont see a problem with it. I just dont see what the appeal is to make an ass of yourself.

When i use to drink id easily become angry. I would throw shit hard and do things id never consider unless under the influence of alcohol. Im not an angry person at all sober, quite the opposite. I understand everyone isnt like that, but it just shouldnt be so readily available.

The age limit is pointless because basically anyone underage can get alcohol. It isnt hard, and idk thats disturbing to me.


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Ihateyou]
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Just pointing out that red wine has grapes that have antioxidants. Antioxidants are good for helping prevent memory loss and Alzheimer's disease.

I don't know this next part but I think it could help with preventing cholesterol from oxidizing too.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150204184230.htm



You can get the substance in grapes, "resveratrol" at the health food store and not have to drink poison, (or eat sugar from grapes for that matter.)


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: endogenous]
    #22163324 - 08/30/15 02:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:sad: this thread is making me really think about stopping alcohol, it's done nothing good and with all the stuff i know about other drugs, alcohol is one of the ones i've done the most and researched the least. i hope some of the damage i have done can be reversed.

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    #22163354 - 08/30/15 03:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know much about nootropics, but there are quite a bit of studies that show that the brain and nervous system repair themselves after alcohol use.

Although I don't know too much about alcohol abuse and the brain recovering, though I'm pretty sure it can.


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22163377 - 08/30/15 03:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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"- One of the most contentious issues in the vast literature about alcohol consumption has been the consistent finding that those who don't drink tend to die sooner than those who do.

-  abstaining from alcohol does tend to increase one's risk of dying, even when you exclude former problem drinkers. The most shocking part? Abstainers' mortality rates are higher than those of heavy drinkers.

- Moderate alcohol use (especially when the beverage of choice is red wine) is thought to improve heart health, circulation and sociability, which can be important because people who are isolated don't have as many family members and friends who can notice and help treat health problems.

- Even though heavy drinking is associated with higher risk for cirrhosis and several types of cancer (particularly cancers in the mouth and esophagus), heavy drinkers are less likely to die than people who don't drink, even if they never had a problem with alcohol

- That said, the new study provides the strongest evidence yet that moderate drinking is not only fun but good for you. So make mine a double."




People bitch and moan here about alcohol being a hard drug, but for most people it is actually the complete opposite. You end up living longer and honestly a glass of wine a day is good for you. If I were a father and was raising a young boy, I would let him have a few sips of my beer here and there if he wanted to. If you were to ask me whether I would let him try some heroin, my answer would be hell fucking no.

People here act like booze is worse then heroin which is simply not the case for most people. Based on my research and the numerous studies I read, even heavy drinkers are outliving the average non drinkers.

Straight edge folk never have a good way to unwind and clearly people underestimate the power of self medicating with drinking. If I cared more about my health I would start drinking since honestly I rarely drink. I am thinking about starting to drink here and there for the health benefits. I mean, who doesn't want to live longer.

What do you guys think about all this?




Yep based purely on social aspect.

Alcohol = shit


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Achillita]
    #22163383 - 08/30/15 03:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Nicotine is neuroprotective, and recent studies have show that it prevents the development of Alzheimer Disease. As does Cannabis.




funny since most forget everything when they smoke weed lol


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Mr. Magic]
    #22163992 - 08/30/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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:sad: this thread is making me really think about stopping alcohol, it's done nothing good and with all the stuff i know about other drugs, alcohol is one of the ones i've done the most and researched the least. i hope some of the damage i have done can be reversed.

maybe nootropics can help? does anyone know if the science behind those drugs is solid?



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I don't know much about nootropics, but there are quite a bit of studies that show that the brain and nervous system repair themselves after alcohol use.

Although I don't know too much about alcohol abuse and the brain recovering, though I'm pretty sure it can.



Yes nootropics can reverse damage. Same with CBD

in fact, if you take piracetam the morning after drinking, the 'brain dead" feeling of your hangover goes away

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I just dont party. I dont like the scene. Ive never done either of those but id probably do E rather than alcohol. There isnt moderation for me when it comes to alcohol.

If you can drink in moderation then thats good nothing wrong with that. I cant stand to be arounde drunk ppl. Like i said they are usually being douchebags...i know i got like that when i drank.

I was in denial about it but like what was said above most ppl have just fried their brain enough to where they cant see the fact alcohol sucks and that they should take a step back and look at what theyre doing. I learned though.

Im talking about ppl that drink too often and dont see a problem with it. I just dont see what the appeal is to make an ass of yourself.

When i use to drink id easily become angry. I would throw shit hard and do things id never consider unless under the influence of alcohol. Im not an angry person at all sober, quite the opposite. I understand everyone isnt like that, but it just shouldnt be so readily available.

The age limit is pointless because basically anyone underage can get alcohol. It isnt hard, and idk thats disturbing to me.



I feel this generally. But being in college its almost a social obligation. I tried to quit but alcohol is EVERYWHERE

Generally speaking its a waste. I haven't gone beyond 5 drinks in ages though. If I am going to drink, I figure I should just drink minimally

it also kills my workout recovery


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: endogenous]
    #22164049 - 08/30/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Just pointing out that red wine has grapes that have antioxidants. Antioxidants are good for helping prevent memory loss and Alzheimer's disease.

I don't know this next part but I think it could help with preventing cholesterol from oxidizing too.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150204184230.htm



You can get the substance in grapes, "resveratrol" at the health food store and not have to drink poison, (or eat sugar from grapes for that matter.)





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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: topdog82]
    #22164070 - 08/30/15 10:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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:sad: this thread is making me really think about stopping alcohol, it's done nothing good and with all the stuff i know about other drugs, alcohol is one of the ones i've done the most and researched the least. i hope some of the damage i have done can be reversed.

maybe nootropics can help? does anyone know if the science behind those drugs is solid?



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I don't know much about nootropics, but there are quite a bit of studies that show that the brain and nervous system repair themselves after alcohol use.

Although I don't know too much about alcohol abuse and the brain recovering, though I'm pretty sure it can.



Yes nootropics can reverse damage. Same with CBD







horse shit. CBD is toxic to humans, everything is a poison to humans

http://theleafonline.com/c/science/2014/06/cannabinoid-profiles-crash-course-cbd/


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22164228 - 08/30/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think cbd just gives your brain the exhale to reverse that stuff

almost 90% of the weed amount has low level's of cbd and burn out levels of thc


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: 404] * 1
    #22164306 - 08/30/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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:sad: this thread is making me really think about stopping alcohol, it's done nothing good and with all the stuff i know about other drugs, alcohol is one of the ones i've done the most and researched the least. i hope some of the damage i have done can be reversed.

maybe nootropics can help? does anyone know if the science behind those drugs is solid?




Do it & join the club.

<--- working on day 14 Alcohol Free

Funny how Bitter Cactus stopped commenting when this turned into a relatively drama free and rational discussion...It's almost as if he's bored that it didn't start a tense argument.....

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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: yogabunny]
    #22164345 - 08/30/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

im on the no hard stuff wagon again, extremely difficult for me to completely avoid alcohol all together, and the fall out when i do end up drinking is too severe.

much better for me to have some wine or beers with meals and not worry about it.

about every social event in my town is booze forward, i can't be in those situations completely sober unless i am working.


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #22164364 - 08/30/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, booze is everywhere which makes it so hard to stop


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: 404]
    #22164576 - 08/30/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i have been tending bar and managing night clubs for 7 years now, as you can imagine cocktails is a central theme around my parts ha

doesn't help that there is so many delicious and different ways to imbibe in the bottle as well.


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    #22167548 - 08/31/15 03:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: BlackWidow] * 1
    #22167567 - 08/31/15 03:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah it's not that weed effects my short term memory or that it makes me dumber, it's that I become more aware of my needs as well as think a lot deeper which leads to me spacing out of conversations in favour of my own thoughts. Then at times I lose track of those thoughts, like someone browsing the web by opening a tab for anything even relatively interesting but 9 times out of 10 I can retreive the information with the right motivation. Thought bubbles everywhere.. just don't pop 'em.


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22167572 - 08/31/15 03:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If I start smoking often, weed doesn't really effect my short term memory either(unless i get beyond all stoned). It does make me super lazy and spaced out quite a bit.


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Re: If you care about your health you should drink alcohol [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
    #22171494 - 08/31/15 09:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I hate drinking. It's such a shitty high and it makes people stupid, annoying, loud and dicks.
Boooo alcohol.



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