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Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? * 4
    #22155496 - 08/28/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You pick up a lot of skills over the course of a drug career, I picked 40 random skills to choose in the anonymous poll, just check the boxes of the ones you have completed successfully.

Hypothetically of course, you know :wink:

Feel free to make follow up posts in line with the topic.


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How long is your drug career? (from first drug till now)
You may choose only one
Which of these 40 skills have you picked up along the way?
You may choose many


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: Asante]
    #22155550 - 08/28/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Who the fuck has been using for 30 years?


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: Psychonautica] * 1
    #22155560 - 08/28/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Me :smile: Actually 29 years but it was closest by.

It all started with a bottle of Ether that I bought at a druggist and a little red handkerchief when I was 13 years old.

Thoooose were the daaaaays!

I still have the handkerchief as a memento.

MXE was like coming home for me, its much like Ether but way better.


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #22155575 - 08/28/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Damn son, GET IT! hahah.

All those boxes I checked made me quite a bit disappointed in myself :frown: haha.


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: Psychonautica]
    #22155606 - 08/28/15 09:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

My most recently acquired skill is plugging MXE while heavily intoxicated in a cramped bathroom, standing up :rockon:

This was part of a 24 hour no sleep MXE-athon that started in one city and ended in another.




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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #22155615 - 08/28/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That was kinda fun!


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: Psychonautica]
    #22155692 - 08/28/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Who the fuck has been using for 30 years?



I first smoked pot over 45 years ago,
drank beer even before that. :smirk:

I've done most of that list, never plugged, skin popped or brewed...:shrug:
:bigjoint: . . . :peace:


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: vinsue]
    #22155700 - 08/28/15 10:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

But are you still using?


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: vinsue]
    #22155730 - 08/28/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Vinsue if you are partial to an occasional drink I recommend trying to brew, just for the bucket list.

Like a cider. Organic apple juice, yeast, it can be simple.


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: Asante]
    #22155737 - 08/28/15 10:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I checked 26 boxes, and I'm at double digit years of use.

I have a starter brewing kit that I plan to try out in the fall or winter.


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: Midnight_Toker]
    #22155773 - 08/28/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've got 29 if I didn't miscount :grin:


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: Asante]
    #22155803 - 08/28/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Jedi level. Only ones I haven't done pretty much would be injections, extractions (I've done crude extractions), plugging, and syntheses


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: nicechrisman] * 1
    #22155815 - 08/28/15 10:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I inject marijuana daily


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: Patlal]
    #22155843 - 08/28/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Right into your peehole.


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: Midnight_Toker]
    #22155865 - 08/28/15 10:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I checked 26 boxes.


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22155866 - 08/28/15 10:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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Jedi level. Only ones I haven't done pretty much would be injections, extractions (I've done crude extractions), plugging, and syntheses




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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: Psychonautica]
    #22155966 - 08/28/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Who the fuck has been using for 30 years?




25 for me.


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: millzy]
    #22156016 - 08/28/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Me too :highfive:


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: nicechrisman] * 1
    #22156021 - 08/28/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I bet you guys smell like old people.


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22156208 - 08/28/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'll never be able to roll a really fine ass blunt.
My hands can tend to get really shaky - especially whenever I'm focusing really hard on trying to keep them still.

I'll never be a jedi master, but I'm definitely above average compared to anyone who's taking anything without bothering to research it and know what to expect, and if it suits me I can find a decent connect through my social grapevine and do simple extractions, I don't grow shit mainly due to laziness and ease of access through..less lazy friends. I can moderate myself well, often randomly end up abstaining from everything for a month or two randomly, but have also definitely made some questionable(albeit it ultimately inconsequential) decisions.They always feel like 'calculated risks' at the time, but I do think I can behave impulsively in more ways than one.

I've defeated drug tests via abstinence and flat out telling my immediate superior I smoked weed occasionally and would fail, he agreed to give me extra time and then mysteriously never brought it up again.


I don't need a babysitter, but I realize that there's lots of stuff I don't know and that it's dangerous to venture in that direction without more knowledge - so I just stay away.

Overall, I would give myself a P for proficient.


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: pirate-blues]
    #22156272 - 08/28/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I'll never be able to roll a really fine ass blunt.
My hands can tend to get really shaky - especially whenever I'm focusing really hard on trying to keep them still.

I'll never be a jedi master, but I'm definitely above average compared to anyone who's taking anything without bothering to research it and know what to expect, and if it suits me I can find a decent connect through my social grapevine and do simple extractions, I don't grow shit mainly due to laziness and ease of access through..less lazy friends. I can moderate myself well, often randomly end up abstaining from everything for a month or two randomly, but have also definitely made some questionable(albeit it ultimately inconsequential) decisions.They always feel like 'calculated risks' at the time, but I do think I can behave impulsively in more ways than one.

I've defeated drug tests via abstinence and flat out telling my immediate superior I smoked weed occasionally and would fail, he agreed to give me extra time and then mysteriously never brought it up again.


I don't need a babysitter, but I realize that there's lots of stuff I don't know and that it's dangerous to venture in that direction without more knowledge - so I just stay away.

Overall, I would give myself a P for proficient.




yeah, i don't roll a lot of joints, so whenever i do i use either a rolling machine or a dollar bill. i'd much rather just grind it and pack it in a bowl. not a regular cannabis user anyway. i've im'ed before but i would be clueless as to how to prepare it as that was prepared for me. never grown for the same reasons as you, and i have a few friends who masterfully do extractions, so i've never had to bother with it either. i do have a green thumb though. :sun: i suppose i could find anything else i wanted through my social network. and researching is just common sense for any level of user.

the only two things i would never use alone are dmt and ayahuasca. the only thing i could do better at moderating would be my alcohol intake, but that's way more about calories than it is any sort of destructive, addictive issue; i hardly get "drunk" these days. nearing 40 has made me really pay for it the next day, and i can have just as much fun while just keeping a buzz.

i also like chocolate chip cookies.


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: vinsue]
    #22156290 - 08/28/15 11:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

Psychonautica said:
Who the fuck has been using for 30 years?



I first smoked pot over 45 years ago,
drank beer even before that. :smirk:

I've done most of that list, never plugged, skin popped or brewed...:shrug:
:bigjoint: . . . :peace:



I figured you were the other 45


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22156323 - 08/28/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

This thread makes me feel accomplished.
I've done nearly all of those.
Never injected a drug, but does snake venom count?


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: Acaterpillar] * 1
    #22156333 - 08/28/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The snake can put it down on his response.  What gotcha?  Rattler?


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #22156335 - 08/28/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i've im'ed ketamine and dpt (not at the same time). i would love to try both again (not at the same time).


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: millzy]
    #22156353 - 08/28/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I could only imagine what DPT would be like injected. That would take some serious balls. That shit is powerfully visual. I've tripped pretty hard before but that stuff made me uncomfortable.


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22156379 - 08/28/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I could only imagine what DPT would be like injected. That would take some serious balls. That shit is powerfully visual. I've tripped pretty hard before but that stuff made me uncomfortable.




we decided to im due to what we heard was a nasty drip when snorted. we were both underwhelmed. things didn't really go that further even after i redosed. it was maybe a ++ at the peak. it just wasn't enough for me that time. but better safe than sorry. i've read some crazy trip reports with dpt.

i'll do a higher dose next time. i could see where it would go though and i bet it's pretty cool. i can't recall how much we ordered but i think i have enough to play around with for a little bit.


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22156394 - 08/28/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The snake can put it down on his response.  What gotcha?  Rattler?




Oh no, I'm careful with rattlers.
I used to muscle Copperhead venom.


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #22156624 - 08/28/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Do what?  On purpose?


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: Psychonautica] * 4
    #22156631 - 08/28/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Who the fuck has been using for 30 years?



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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: memes]
    #22156643 - 08/28/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Nobody skinpops their heroin anymore :frown:


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: memes] * 1
    #22156646 - 08/28/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Leave it to the shroomery to make me feel proud about how many boxes I can check on a list of 40 druggie skills :lol:


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    #22156648 - 08/28/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:haha:  bingo


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: Asante]
    #22156956 - 08/28/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

this made me realize how far I've come since I was 14 and started smoking weed :lol:


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: Zombi3]
    #22157321 - 08/28/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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That was kinda fun!




i agree!

And i feel kinda proud of my "skillz" :lol:

The hardest skill ive aquired is growing mushrooms. That take serious dedication, clean procedures and planning.

And when im aboutt to prepare substrate, its the only time when i WANT to make the kitchen spotless :awesome:


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: Asante]
    #22157363 - 08/28/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I checked 32.


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22157403 - 08/28/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Do what?  On purpose?





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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #22157419 - 08/28/15 04:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If that is what I think it is you should be in the bin.  What was the point?


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22157425 - 08/28/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I could only check 18.  I am so ashamed.


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22157442 - 08/28/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's what I said it is; Copperhead venom.
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What was the point?



The point is to immunize (build a tolerance).
Copperhead venom is relatively benign compared to other Crotalidae.
The only danger is losing a finger or toe, which is why I immunize.
I haven't done that in a while though cause I gave away my Copperhead.


Looks like I checked off 33. Nobody else here brewed their own beer?


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: Acaterpillar] * 2
    #22157480 - 08/28/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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It's what I said it is; Copperhead venom.
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zappaisgod said:
What was the point?



The point is to immunize (build a tolerance).
Copperhead venom is relatively benign compared to other Crotalidae.
The only danger is losing a finger or toe, which is why I immunize.
I haven't done that in a while though cause I gave away my Copperhead.


Looks like I checked off 33. Nobody else here brewed their own beer?



You had a pet copperhead?  You really are crazy.  You know what makes a great pet?  A cat.


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #22157495 - 08/28/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What is irritant smoke?

First recreational drug was over 22 years ago so I selected 20. Then I checked off 32 skills. I've never injected anything recreationly, unless you count asking the nurse for more IV dilaudid before I was about to leave the hospital. Never synthesized from chemicals either, but I may in the future. Whats an easy drug to synth from chemicals that isn't meth or a stimulant?


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22157502 - 08/28/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You had a pet copperhead?  You really are crazy.  You know what makes a great pet?  A cat.




What can I say? Pythons get boring. :shrug:


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #22157539 - 08/28/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Forgot flushed drugs from being too paranoid CHECKED


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: AquaticPuzzle] * 1
    #22157544 - 08/28/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Flushing drugs is not a skill :wink:


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: Asante]
    #22157648 - 08/28/15 05:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

28/40


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: luvdemboomers] * 1
    #22157699 - 08/28/15 05:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

27 boxes that was a dope poll thanks Asante!


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: WyoMX] * 1
    #22157726 - 08/28/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i'm a pro at chasing roxys on foil.

and a bunch of others

cant roll a joint for shite though


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: Adolin]
    #22157757 - 08/28/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

10 years and 32 checks
Its the injections that got me up there or I'd only have checked the more basic skills (Jedi master at those skills of course though)


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #22157870 - 08/28/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I've got 29 if I didn't miscount :grin:




Same, I am at a solid 29 boxes. :lol:

I guess doing drugs taught me SOMETHING.


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: TNK]
    #22159136 - 08/29/15 01:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I can roll a perfect cigarette (or joint/spliff so long as the weed is dry) with no surface in one quick motion while driving or walking around or whatever.  I never think it's a big deal because I'm so used to it, but sometimes people will ask me for a cigarette and they'll try to roll it themselves and I am like :facepalm: just let me do it.  Some people are amazed that I just snap my fingers and a cigarette appears. 

That's really the only one I'm a little proud of, but it's really just because I smoked so many cigarettes over the years and hate paying full price for filter packs.


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22159196 - 08/29/15 02:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

but can you roll em with a filter?  its pretty much the same actually, but it takes a couple back and forths to get the tobacco the same diameter as the filter


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22159201 - 08/29/15 02:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Damn guys, so many people have grown indoors and not been able to bury a substrate outside?

first perk I've come up with for living in a small town. :bobbyhill:


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: Psychonautica]
    #22159239 - 08/29/15 03:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Who the fuck has been using for 30 years?





2 more and I hit the 40 year mark


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22159246 - 08/29/15 03:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Then you can put that as 40, closest by!


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: Asante]
    #22159498 - 08/29/15 07:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Only about 18, in about ~5 years :shrug:

I need to get my fuckin' grow started already so I can learn more stuff.


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: hex_enduction]
    #22159578 - 08/29/15 08:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It took my 7 years from complete noob to growing my own plants and mushrooms, getting my habits in balance and some other random tidbits from your poll that I didn't realise were skills :lol:

I still can't roll a joint on jedi level, though :sad:


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: Turtletotem]
    #22159613 - 08/29/15 08:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

A checked a bunch but I didn't bother counting


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #22159637 - 08/29/15 08:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Psychonautica said:
But are you still using?


Cannabis (a lot), kratom(once a day) and sometimes mushrooms.
I recently scored some quality acid so I'll be doing that again, too.
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Vinsue if you are partial to an occasional drink I recommend trying to brew, just for the bucket list...


I don't/can't use any alcohol these days. I'm allergic to it.:smirk:
Besides, not much left on my bucket list.:strokebeard:

I am curious about the next drug craze... direct electro-stimulation of the brain. :malebrain:
  I've heard of those 'black box' devices rock stars used to treat addiction, and E C T.

I'm talking about a portable brain zapper you can dial in your specific high...
coke high, benzo high, opiate high, trip ballz high, MXE, tobacco, whatever... or mix N match.:willynilly:

You might need some electrodes implanted so you can plug in, but that's not a big deal if you're a real druggie.
I imagine the CIA or KGB are already working on something like this... :drwario:

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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: vinsue]
    #22159642 - 08/29/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I brewed a white beer once with some mates. It wasn't half bad, but the process of brewing was tons of fun!


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Re: Which of these 40 Druggie Skills do you master? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22160782 - 08/29/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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but can you roll em with a filter?  its pretty much the same actually, but it takes a couple back and forths to get the tobacco the same diameter as the filter




Naw I actually prefer unfiltered after so many years of being a cheapskate.  If I add a filter for someone else because they want it it is just rolled cardboard and I just tuck it in after I'm done.


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