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My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings * 1
    #22155262 - 08/28/15 07:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've been meaning to make a post, but I finally got around to it. I just got this potted salvia plant in the mail a week ago. It was in a small square plastic pot, I repotted it into the 10"clay pot you see.

My main concern is that it has some black spots on the leaf, I believe from the ride in the mail. I have it outside in a small 5 shelve greenhouse in the shade on my backporch. It along with 5 E. Novo seedlings that are also in it, get about an hour of filtered morning sunshine in the mornings. I usually pull the salvia out of the greenhouse and into a spot that gets fullsun for an hour each day, I also give the two seedlings that lost their seedcoat some sun as well (usually half an hour).


Everything's looking great though, all of the novos came germinated (Thanks WSS!) and are pulling through. The salvia plant seems to be pulling through as well, I spray its foliage every day before I goto work and when I get back and every once in a while after that. I just have a few inquiries:
  • Wen should I start feeding the salvia? the novos?
  • I have fish emulsions for the salvia, that should be fine? I also have an 8-8-8 fert and a 20-20-20, could I use either for the E. novos?
  • I foliar feed all of my tomato plants with epsom salt water, would this be alright for greater foliage on my Salvia?


Thanks in advance for reading and giving any advice. I'm very fortunate to get two grow these two entheogens. I'm especially fortunate that I live in a state that it's legal to cultivate it, however not consume it.  :peace:

Edit: forgot to mention these plants are being grown in hardiness 7b and the salvia is in a mix of the organic miraclegro potting mix and perlite. The E. Novo seedlings are in a mix of peat moss and pumice for drainage and I planted the seed coating in the sphagnum moss it was shipped in.


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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: grownright]
    #22163124 - 08/30/15 12:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Nice plants :thumbup:

I have only grown salvia myself but I bet E. novo's are pretty sweet to grow too.

I can't really give much advice though, I tend to wing it with my plants most of the time :lol: or read up and make the best with what I have.

I hope they grow well for you :sun:


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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: musiclover420]
    #22168204 - 08/31/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Looking good man, i'm on the same venture right now with the same two plants! I'm doing them both from seed.


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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: dil8]
    #22170334 - 08/31/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the compliments guys, I'll update it soon with some more pictures. Right now the Salvia has recovered well and quickly at that, I'll probably start fertilizing it soon with the fish emulsions. The two E. Novos that have lost their seed coat are doing very well, they've already grown the second pair of leaves, the other 3 are also doing well and will shed there coat any day this week.


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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: grownright]
    #22170388 - 08/31/15 06:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

how long did it take for them to lose their seed coat...


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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #22170794 - 08/31/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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how long did it take for them to lose their seed coat...



Not very long as the seeds were already germinated. They took about 3-4 days after the seeds were planted in the peat/pumice mix. The other 3 still have yet to remove the seed coat, the first two might just be very quick growers.. I've read that if you don't have a covering like I have for humidity you would have to take the seed coat off yourself. Drips of condensation apparently fall onto the seed and soften it enough for the plant to push it off with its cotyledon.


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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: grownright]
    #22170918 - 08/31/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Thanks for the compliments guys, I'll update it soon with some more pictures. Right now the Salvia has recovered well and quickly at that, I'll probably start fertilizing it soon with the fish emulsions. The two E. Novos that have lost their seed coat are doing very well, they've already grown the second pair of leaves, the other 3 are also doing well and will shed there coat any day this week.




Sounds like your novos are coming along nicely! I don't know how much research you have done, but soon you will need to make sure you bring their humidity down to room humidity levels (if you have gone with a dome). Their humidity requirements change a little bit once they get some leaves on them and leave their seedling stage. They like it to be nice and humid for sprouting/losing their seed coat/growing up a little, but when they get some leaves on them and grow up a little bit, they like to dry out a little bit. It is important to make sure you let their soil dry between waterings.


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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #22171012 - 08/31/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Sounds like your novos are coming along nicely! I don't know how much research you have done, but soon you will need to make sure you bring their humidity down to room humidity levels (if you have gone with a dome). Their humidity requirements change a little bit once they get some leaves on them and leave their seedling stage. They like it to be nice and humid for sprouting/losing their seed coat/growing up a little, but when they get some leaves on them and grow up a little bit, they like to dry out a little bit. It is important to make sure you let their soil dry between waterings.




I've been trying to find a goodbit of information, mostly finding some conflicting stuff. I took the ones who have shed there seed coats out of their humidity domes, little plastic baggies I put over the cups they're planted in. They are sitting in a greenhouse however. It's pretty humid here in GA, so the greenhouse is usually at least 50%+. It sits in partial shade and gets indirect light. I take the two without a seed coat outeach day and put them on my porch railing where they get full sun for an hour before I put them back. I do this for the salvia as well except I lightly mist it with water every once in a while before the hour is up. Then I put them both inside the greenhouse and mist the inside of it a little. I do this for my month old peyote/trichocereus seedlings as well


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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: grownright]
    #22171040 - 08/31/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Sounds good. Yeah, there is a good bit of conflicting info out there on novos especially, that's just what has worked for me in the past. As long as it's working for you, keep doing what you are doing. :thumbup:


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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: cowsRmeat] * 1
    #22175263 - 09/01/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Here's the update pics:

I gave the salvia a little bit of the fish emulsions fertilizer today.


A third seedling lost its seed coat :smile:


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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: grownright]
    #22175302 - 09/01/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:superbanana:


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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #22176987 - 09/02/15 04:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: kosmokratorshaman] * 1
    #22199503 - 09/06/15 09:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Update:

Looking good for only 14 days old :smile:


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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: grownright] * 1
    #22248135 - 09/16/15 08:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Update: The salvia is starting to grow a little finally. The novos are looking good, I stopped putting them out in the light like I used to, I just leave them in the greenhouse in the shade. they do get about a half hour of filtered sunlight though in the morning.


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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: grownright]
    #22251521 - 09/17/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

where did you get the moss from? i'm gping to get seeds soon and need it


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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: Kenneth]
    #22251715 - 09/17/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

My front yard is covered in it, like 40% of my yard is moss


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    #22252358 - 09/17/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: Andjew]
    #22252974 - 09/17/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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You should have made the new transplant soil with the fertilizer you wanted to use. Just follow the directions on the product for new potted plants. You can start feeding it now as the S. divinorum will benefit greatly from the added nitrogen. If you're unsure about how it'll effect the plant, use a half dose or even a quarter dose of the directions. Feed in a schedule according to what the package recommends. Fertilizers have different release speeds and should be used with caution.

Personally I would recommend going with an organic fertilizer with somewhat even n-p-k amounts; if you can get one that has mycorrhizae colonies in it, it'll be better as from my experience I've seen S. divinorum grow much faster with them. Mycorrhizae colonies will help with better nutrient absorption though the roots.

As far as I know, magnesium sulfate should only be added to soil if the soil has a magnesium deficiency. You could probably just buy a micro nutrient fertilizer that has all the essentials and not worry about the epsom salt.


Just an additional comment: S. divinorum loves to have plenty of space for its root system. It will outgrow its plant pot much faster than other plants. If you're trying to create a huge mother plant, keep repotting your plant to larger and larger containers and then cut all the apical growth to encourage even bushy growth.



Thanks for replying man. I have a few different fertilizers I could use. I have a 20-20-20, a 10-10-10, and a tomato/vegetable fertilizer thats 2-7-4 that has micorrhizae included in it. And I've noticed the root system thing, I only repotted her from a small square pot to this 10" clay one and its already filled this one with roots. I could see one root peeking above the soil today, it was nice and white and pretty haha. I'm thinking maybe in a little while repotting it to a 10 gallon smart pot, what do you think? By a little while I mean like a month or two


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    #22254579 - 09/18/15 05:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: Andjew] * 1
    #22328724 - 10/03/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Heres an update, the salvia is doing great! She's really taking off, bushing at each node, and branching at the base. Shes at a about a foot and a half tall now :smile:


This E. Novo however is starting to worry me. His leaves that are coming in are really stretched and curled inwards. I think he might need more sun, but its been raining alot and I'm currently waiting on my grow lights to ship. All of my novos have a little damage to the tip of some of there leaves, Im not sure from what as they are in high humidity


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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: grownright]
    #22337979 - 10/05/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If I were to guess, I wouldn't guess the novo is doing that from lack of light.... In fact if it's only the emerging leaves (as it appears to be) that is showing the curling, I wouldn't worry at all. That's how novo spits out it's new leaves. They spike out and then unroll themselves...

The sally is looking beautiful, by the way. I would let it get a bit taller then take a cutting or two to start getting your stock up...


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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #22339869 - 10/06/15 06:44 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

so whats the deal with coca seedlings looking wonky


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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #22341175 - 10/06/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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If I were to guess, I wouldn't guess the novo is doing that from lack of light.... In fact if it's only the emerging leaves (as it appears to be) that is showing the curling, I wouldn't worry at all. That's how novo spits out it's new leaves. They spike out and then unroll themselves...

The sally is looking beautiful, by the way. I would let it get a bit taller then take a cutting or two to start getting your stock up...



Yeah I moved them all inside, it was getting pretty cold the last few nights, and they uncurled. Theyre back outside for the next few days, weve got great weather all week :sun:
And thanks, my plan is to soon transplant her into a 5 gallon smart pot and let the plant grow out a little more. When the emerging branch at the bottom gets big enough Ill root it and I'll probably even have more plant to work with to take a few more cuttings. I'll have a collection going in no time  :dancer:

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so whats the deal with coca seedlings looking wonky



It was no big deal apparently, I just freaked over nothing :P It's actually a novo, I want a coca in my collection badly though


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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: grownright] * 1
    #22385750 - 10/15/15 09:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)


Went ahead and chopped up this beauty into 13 cuttings using the Lucas method while leaving the stumps to continue growing. One of the nodes was already branching before taking the cuttings so itll have a headstart to recovering probably. The largest leaves were about 9" in length. All in all, excited for my first experience  :stonedmelt:


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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: Andjew] * 1
    #22443822 - 10/28/15 08:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I would recommend not taking cuttings for at least a year. You want to build a large plant, and a large root system, to take cuttings. If you have a mother, it will continue to grow well even if you take regular cuttings. It's worth the wait in my opinion.



I left the stump to keep growing, which it has a lot, forgot to take a picture, but all 13 cuttings were succesful and are showing growth so :shrug: One got a little bit of mold because the candle wax I used to protect the cut cracked. He lost a leaf but is still growing just fine :wink:


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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: grownright] * 1
    #22505090 - 11/10/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Update: One of the E. novos mysteriously died, the rest are doing fine, sorry for the poor quality photos, using my phone here haha:


Heres the stump left from taking cuttings, its bushing mad:


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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: grownright] * 1
    #22505296 - 11/10/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I would recommend not taking cuttings for at least a year. You want to build a large plant, and a large root system, to take cuttings. If you have a mother, it will continue to grow well even if you take regular cuttings. It's worth the wait in my opinion.



I left the stump to keep growing, which it has a lot, forgot to take a picture, but all 13 cuttings were succesful and are showing growth so :shrug: One got a little bit of mold because the candle wax I used to protect the cut cracked. He lost a leaf but is still growing just fine :wink:





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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: grownright]
    #22506198 - 11/10/15 05:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Starting to look like an adult now! That thing should really start growing more quickly soon:thumbup:

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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: grownright]
    #22506776 - 11/10/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: jellyfish] * 1
    #22546901 - 11/19/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: Mandarinfish]
    #22547610 - 11/19/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Nice! What do you mean you started it last july? That's when you got it, or that's when it started producing berries, or what?


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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #22547666 - 11/19/15 04:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: Mandarinfish]
    #22547686 - 11/19/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Holy crap! That thing grew pretty quickly then! I've started one nearly the same time as you did (I think) and it's not doing as well as yours is. It's about the same height from the looks of it, but not nearly as bushy. What zone are you in, and what sort of conditions do you keep it in (esp during the summer)?


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    #22547727 - 11/19/15 04:49 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: Mandarinfish]
    #22552665 - 11/20/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Well, it looks like a good pinching is in order for mine after winter. I've been looking at it all year thinking I wanted to pinch it, but have been a little nervous to (due to their finicky nature that I have experienced firsthand - granted it's older and not as finicky now). Obviously, your results speak for themselves though. That one is nice and bushy. :thumbup:


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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #22570229 - 11/24/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Just thought I'd upload a few pics of my grow tent for you guys. I had a fungus gnat infestation for about two weeks, bur I used diatomaceous earth to remedy that problem FAST. I like to collect mostly succulents and other exotic plants. I have a few tree seeldings Im goingi to train into bonsais as well. Enjoy:



The salvia is still bushing like mad as well. A few of the cuttings were lost to the fungus gnat larvae unfortunately, but most of them had developed enough to survive.

The E. novos are doing very well also:


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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: grownright]
    #22571423 - 11/25/15 04:55 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

:super: loooking good.

That seems like a very well insulated grow room.


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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: grownright]
    #22571466 - 11/25/15 05:27 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

damnnnn how big is that tent


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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: Muhfreedoms]
    #22574111 - 11/25/15 04:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

musiclover420 said:
:super: loooking good.

That seems like a very well insulated grow room.



Thanks man :thumbup:

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Muhfreedoms said:
damnnnn how big is that tent



Its an 8'X4'X6.6' :wink:


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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: grownright]
    #22698183 - 12/25/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Merry Christmas everybody! Time for an update:

The cuttings are doing alright, of the 13 I took, 8 have survived. Fungus gnats are still at large in my tent  :mad: I need to get yellow sticky traps for the adults, Im using diatomaceous earth and crumbled mosquito dunks to control the larvae but theyre still in the damn tent! :mad2: Its about time I transplant the mother to a bigger pot though

Ill get back with a picture of the Novos theyre doing awesome and are putting on some foliage


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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: grownright]
    #22699331 - 12/25/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Awesome! Get on to those sticky traps, saved an outdoor mj grow of mine hat was getting fucked by whiteflies.


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Re: My first Salvia D. + E. novo seedlings [Re: elborito]
    #22700912 - 12/26/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I've used h2o2 to mist the top soil and then slapped sharp sand over it to stop any remaining gnats escaping. It has worked well for me in the past but I used it on Cannabis and not Salvia so I have no idea if it'd fuck with it.


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