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Invisibledionysiandame
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The Last Accepted Form of Discrimination: Convicted Persons
    #22153270 - 08/27/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I am a staunch of supporter of rights for those who have faced conviction. In my mind, once the "debt to society" has been paid than it should be finished. One has received their punishment and should be able to work (Within reason. For example, I don't think convicted pedophiles should be able to work for a day care but if they want to write bad Java code next to me then by all means...), vote, and receive all of the benefits of being a fully functional member of society once introduced.

My SO and I had a debate about this tonight while I binge watched Benefit Britain. One person on the show had been to jail a few times and was having a hard time finding work due to this. I've NEVER liked this and do think protections should be in place for these people. Granted, I'd never had any kind of legal trouble, but how does one expect people to actually demonstrate rehabilitation if they are continuously hampered in a realm that is a cornerstone to survival; gainful employment?

So Shroomery, I want you to tell me I'm right and my SO is a big ol' meanie pants.

If you can't do that, tell me your opinions on our current "acceptable second class citizens", those who have faced a conviction.

Are we doing enough to reintegrate them into society?

Is stripping the right of felons to vote a crime against people who will, eventually, face the same taxation without representation?


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Re: The Last Accepted Form of Discrimination: Convicted Persons [Re: dionysiandame]
    #22153364 - 08/27/15 07:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Honestly I'd kinda like to see our criminal justice system reformed from the bottom up, stop putting people in jail for petty and nonviolent offenses, and put more focus into reforming the people who are actually problematic in and out of jail.  If someone is incapable of being reformed so that they can live in society, they are essentially mentally ill and should be provided with as many rights as possible while ensuring the safety of themselves and those around them. 

The idea of punitive justice is a relic that needs to be abolished, but people's mentality is still in that place where they think that everyone in jail probably deserves it.  Things could be worse, but they could be better in America and I think many other countries show us this.  The drug war has empowered criminals and politicians so much it is ridiculous, and it's time for that to stop before it destroys us.

In my state I think the people who get out of jail and put in the work are usually able to make something of themselves, though there are definite glass-ceilings if you don't become self employed or get insanely lucky.  The problem is more the mind-state of alot of people getting out of jail is fragile and so many of them fall right back on bad habits.  There's not really much recognition for how traumatic jail is, because then they would have to admit that the way prisoners are treated in the US is unusually cruel.


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Re: The Last Accepted Form of Discrimination: Convicted Persons [Re: dionysiandame]
    #22153392 - 08/27/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think voting rights should be taken away from any adult citizen for any reason, including currently being in prison. They should be counted as living at their previous address while in prison though IMO. I believe that's how it works here.


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Re: The Last Accepted Form of Discrimination: Convicted Persons [Re: psi]
    #22153463 - 08/27/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

and not allowing non violent felons to own guns is ridiculous


A cop teaching a gun course I was at was telling the group that some guy he knew had no money for car insurance so he made a fake card and the cop could tell when he gave it to him. He got convicted of a felony and can't own a gun for the rest of his life. Makes sense.


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Re: The Last Accepted Form of Discrimination: Convicted Persons [Re: psi]
    #22153475 - 08/27/15 08:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think after a certain period of time, rights for convicted people should be returned to them. The freedom of many things that they have to PROVE that they can handle. A similar idea to probation, but as time goes on they gain their basic rights back.

I don't think voting should be restricted from anyone though.


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Re: The Last Accepted Form of Discrimination: Convicted Persons [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #22153507 - 08/27/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't agree that currently incarcerated prisoners should be allowed to vote. When you relinquish your civil rights, that includes the ability to cast a ballot.

But I do think the length of a criminal record should be reduced instead of the 7 year wait or completely abolished depending on the nature of the felony.


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Re: The Last Accepted Form of Discrimination: Convicted Persons [Re: Achillita]
    #22153548 - 08/27/15 08:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

There should be psychological rehabilitation for some convicts before populace integration. The current system does not provide this.


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