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Re: what happend to these people? [Re: baraka]
#2216059 - 01/03/04 12:25 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I plan on being a writer.... umm, will this creative pursuit only offer a meager lifestyle?
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Strumpling
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Re: what happend to these people? [Re: ergot]
#2216100 - 01/03/04 12:54 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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that depends on how popular you can get yourself.. from what I understand, its easiest to try to hold back your extreme disliking of the system until you get popular enough that it will be accepted. I don't believe armed resistance is GOOD, or even possible at this point.... I believe though that the public opinion could make a difference - if large enough groups of people here at home could weave their way past the propaganda and get a bit off the path they are on, they could start realizing what the "western" lifestyle has become - if large enough groups of people here at home would be willing to lose a lot of their luxuries and start politically and socially rebelling, I think eventually the government would have to listen to whatever it would be that they said. After all, the government is supposed to be run BY THE PEOPLE, and FOR THE PEOPLE - it may not be run "by the people" much anymore, but that puts "the people" at the advantage - WE'RE EVERYWHERE and there's no way to ignore us if enough of us get loud enough, and have answers to some of these problems. Unfortunately the media and government are separating from the whole and joining together to dam the waters ("shut up and keep your eyes on your desk, because you NEED that new Corvette, and you're not good enough to run things yourself") - this has a dramatic, almost hypnotic effect on public opinion, and since any part of the resistance isn't allowed to get too big in the media (usually?), its hard to spread the word that "WE ARE BEING USED (in a bad way )" Of course, we would need alternatives to this lifestyle if we were to follow through with any type of restructuring to begin with, and I think any alternatives are going to be quite a downer for the high that "Westerners" (mainly USA I think..) need to drop down from. Party's Over, Folks!
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Re: what happend to these people? [Re: ergot]
#2216246 - 01/03/04 03:25 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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My parents were hippies and had kids and got old, and now they blame all past irresponsibility/political views/occupations on the drug use. Dad did a lot of acid and coke, and smoked a lot of weed in the 70s, but left it all behind and hasn't gotten high since I've been born, he now is a FDNY Senior Supervising Fire Marshall with a high position in the Coast Guard on the side. Sellout public servant, almost brings a tear to my eye.
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Edited by Grandpa (01/03/04 03:26 AM)
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Re: what happend to these people? [Re: Swami]
#2216256 - 01/03/04 03:51 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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you eat pieces of shit for breakfast???
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Re: what happend to these people? [Re: PHARMAKOS]
#2217576 - 01/03/04 11:28 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Im still here....
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Re: what happend to these people? [Re: BleaK]
#2218395 - 01/04/04 12:39 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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what happened to these people -
well, it seems that their ideas and way of life werent very sustainable, and or werent strong enough to stand the test of time.
all hail Kafka, who still has his faced spraypainted on the streetcorners of Prague.
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Re: what happend to these people? [Re: Positronius]
#2219005 - 01/04/04 06:32 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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"well, it seems that their ideas and way of life werent very sustainable, and or werent strong enough to stand the test of time."
the wasteful way of life they were attempting to "fight" is not sustainable at all, and will lead directly to the destruction of this planet
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Positronius
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Re: what happend to these people? [Re: Strumpling]
#2219609 - 01/05/04 01:30 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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riiight.
what were they fighting against? work?
DOWN WITH WORK!!!
engineering can create amazing things - like hydrogen fuel cells.
slacking off isnt going to get a planet full of billions anywhere.
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Re: what happend to these people? [Re: Positronius]
#2219703 - 01/05/04 02:19 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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the sixties.. that's a laugh. Everybody was trying to get fucked, that's it end of story. GETTING LAID. that's what was going on. Lots of getting laid with no fear of aids.
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Re: what happend to these people? [Re: Positronius]
#2240831 - 01/14/04 02:59 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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down with excess
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Re: what happend to these people? [Re: Strumpling]
#2241001 - 01/14/04 06:48 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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just get yourself high
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Re: what happend to these people? [Re: Mixomatosis]
#2241008 - 01/14/04 06:54 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think the rebellion was somewhat sucessful. Not in the idealistic way an 18 year old hippie imagined it would be in 1969, but if you weren't completely blasted on all kinds of drugs, you would probably have figured that out too.
The sexual revolution happened, and while we're not fucking in the streets, we're now able to discuss sex a whole lot more openly. Porn is legal, sex toys are legal, homosexuality is legal, and becoming widely accepted, hell, major newspapers are printing sex advice columns. That immense progress.
Civil rights happened. Segregation was lifted, there are quite a few black politicians and businessmen, and lots of legislation to protect people from discrimination.
Drugs... well that didn't get as far. Marijuana became mainstream and stayed that way, and some places around the world loosened their laws in the '70s. Nowadays the legalization movement still exists, likely stronger than ever, but I'm not sure it's really going anywhere fast.
The "hip crowd" switched from wealthy socialites to creative young bohemians. So that's something.
Another thing you have to remember about the hippie movement, is that it wasn't exactly a set of political ideals. It was a fashionable lifestyle. Most of them were about as dedicated to "the movement" as white kids in Fubu are dedicated to the hood. They were wearing the popular clothes of the time, doing the popular drugs of the time, but still attending classes and working their way towards that MBA.
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Re: what happend to these people? [Re: Strumpling]
#2241010 - 01/14/04 06:56 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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"the wasteful way of life they were attempting to "fight" is not sustainable at all, and will lead directly to the destruction of this planet"
It's probably much more sustainable than you've been led to believe by hippie propaganda.
-------------------- "I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson http://phluck.is-after.us
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Re: what happend to these people? [Re: SpecialEd]
#2241398 - 01/14/04 11:07 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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It is natural that the hippie movement lost it's momentum and was eventually absorbed by the established system of values. The hippie movement was essentially bound by the same errors of perception that the existing social structure cherished so dearly. Although the hippie movement preached such things as peace, love, community and so forth, they in general held the view that if you weren't a hippie, you were a "sell out" or a "conformist". It was an underlying "us vs. them" attitude, which is not at all different from the mistaken "us vs. them" attitude that pervaded the entire social atmosphere during the decade of tension over communism; Vietnam, the Cold War. "If you're not hip, you're square" is not far apart from the obviously absurd adage of the present day: "If you're not with us, you're against us."
The hippie movement was motivated by the same basic drive as any other movement, mainstream or otherwise over the past century. It held a certain set of cherished values and ideals, and spontaneously concluded those values to be inherently supreme over all others. The hippy movement made those values extremely visible with the hopes that others, who were assumed as being obstructed from proper view, would realize the inherent errors of capitalism, patriotism and so forth.
The problem was that the existing social structure also held it's own views as inherently supreme, and also made the faulty conclusion that those with opposing views were impaired in some manner. In this case, the impairment was thought to be the presence of illegal psychotropic drugs. On the other side, the impediment was thought to be the absence of illegal psychotropic drugs. This conflict was never spoken to directly by either group.
Having met this way, with either side of the upheaval both holding the erroneous belief that the other was obstructed from seeing correctly, it follows that the minority group would inevitably exhaust it's fuel and, being left without an option, eventually become absorbed by the existing order.
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Re: what happend to these people? [Re: Ped]
#2241512 - 01/14/04 12:14 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hunter Thompson said it best: And that, I think, was the handle---that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn't need that. Our energy would simply prevail. There was no point in fighting---on our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave. So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark---the place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.
And Phluck is right, it did have an effect, maybe just not in the way imagined. Like the pharos of ancient Egypt, they are indeed immortal, just not quite the way the thought they would be.
-------------------- -There he goes one of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never intended for mass production. Too weird to live, too rare to die. ---Hunter Thompson
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