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Concerns new Tor weakness is being exploited prompt dark market shutdown
#22151040 - 08/27/15 11:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/08/concerns-new-tor-weakness-is-being-exploited-prompt-dark-market-shut-down/
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Agora dark market suspends operations after finding "suspicious activity."
A dark market website that relies on the Tor privacy network to keep its operators anonymous is temporarily shutting down amid concerns attackers are exploiting a newly reported weakness that can identify server locations.
As Ars reported last month, the technique requires the adversary to control the Tor entry point for the server hosting the hidden service. It also requires the attacker to have previously collected unique network characteristics that can serve as a fingerprint for that particular service. Still, once that bar is met, the attack has an 88-percent accuracy rate. Hidden services are sites that are accessible only from within the Tor, which conceals IP addresses of servers and users. "We have recently been discovering suspicious activity around our servers which led us to believe that some of the attacks described in the research could be going on and we decided to move servers once again," operators of Agora, a hidden service that markets everything from illicit drugs to unlicensed firearms, wrote in various online forums, including this post on Pastebin. "However, this is only a temporary solution."
The message said operators were working on a solution to block the attacks and planned to bring Agora back online once it was ready. In the meantime, they said, it would be unsafe to continue conducting business as usual.
The suspension comes as a surprise, since Tor Project officials have downplayed the novelty of the new attack method and the likelihood it could be carried out in practice. The Agora operators didn't describe precisely what evidence they had that the weakness in the Tor protocol was being actively exploited. Still, their warning is worth considering since the suspension will presumably cost them money while the site is out of operation.
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Re: Concerns new Tor weakness is being exploited prompt dark market shutdown [Re: xpl0de]
#22151198 - 08/27/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hopefully this just leads to TOR becoming more secure in the future, same with darknet markets.
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Re: Concerns new Tor weakness is being exploited prompt dark market shutdown [Re: xpl0de]
#22153117 - 08/27/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wonder if that is how they got the CP site in Australia.
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Re: Concerns new Tor weakness is being exploited prompt dark market shutdown [Re: fapjack]
#22153177 - 08/27/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I wonder how much Agora was actually exploited.. oh well, at least they're providing a heads up about closing shop
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Re: Concerns new Tor weakness is being exploited prompt dark market shutdown [Re: Detached]
#22153276 - 08/27/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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They took it down before it got to that point.
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Re: Concerns new Tor weakness is being exploited prompt dark market shutdown [Re: Detached]
#22153281 - 08/27/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I hope they find a better solution.
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Re: Concerns new Tor weakness is being exploited prompt dark market shutdown [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#22153425 - 08/27/15 07:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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They probably will they've been on top of their game forever. Word is all coin withdraws have been going through so far. Everyone is getting their money.
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Re: Concerns new Tor weakness is being exploited prompt dark market shutdown [Re: xpl0de]
#22153928 - 08/27/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Can anyone help me explain how to get on the dark web? I have TOR but can get anything except normal websites, I thought it gives you access to some dark shit and I really wanted to get onto agora but I can't seem to do it, is there a web address anyone can help me with? PM me if you don't wan everyone to know.
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Re: Concerns new Tor weakness is being exploited prompt dark market shutdown [Re: Laughingcowwa]
#22154991 - 08/28/15 05:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Go on reddit and search darknetmarkets, there are tutorials on there.
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Re: Concerns new Tor weakness is being exploited prompt dark market shutdown [Re: fapjack] 1
#22156910 - 08/28/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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god damn i remember it was just like 2 or 3 years ago that talking about a DNM or even saying DNM was totally not cool here.
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Re: Concerns new Tor weakness is being exploited prompt dark market shutdown [Re: Everything]
#22157371 - 08/28/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well they are pretty widely known about now, not really much to hide
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Re: Concerns new Tor weakness is being exploited prompt dark market shutdown [Re: musiclover420]
#22162341 - 08/29/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: Well they are pretty widely known about now, not really much to hide 
That's why they get shut down. I have been buying shot on the clearnet since 2001 and the first thing it says is no mentioning site on social media. Thats why it never gets busted. I would never deal with a site with its own reddit thread
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Re: Concerns new Tor weakness is being exploited prompt dark market shutdown [Re: my3rdeye]
#22164857 - 08/30/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Agora was one of the good ones, I got some deals out of there. They are shutting down, I doubt they will be back but they went out like a boss instead of stealing all the money.
The darknet is the best place to buy from. Dealing direct in person means you can get robbed, shot dead, or just rolled over on and busted. A darknet dealer can't do anything except turn over your address which means nothing. If they intercept your order in the mail, it proves nothing unless you are dumb enough to confess and they don't bother with small time buyers anyway. If you are buying ounces of smack then yeah they might bother. Gram buyers and weed buyers are not worth the effort unless they turn themselves in.
Check out the reputation of the vendor you are thinking of buying from.
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Re: Concerns new Tor weakness is being exploited prompt dark market shutdown [Re: Stonehenge]
#22164906 - 08/30/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I wish I had got on it while the gettin was good, I was tempted to get a PO box and try to work out some orders but I never got around to it 
Still have yet to try MXE, though DOM another drug I wanted to order off there showed up locally recently 
If I ever find DIPT online I will have to try and place an order though, that stuff seems like the unicorns of random novelty psychedelics
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Re: Concerns new Tor weakness is being exploited prompt dark market shutdown [Re: musiclover420]
#22164960 - 08/30/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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A po box doesn't really help you. Just make sure you don't have to sign for it, 99% of the vendors do not require that. Your enemy might have sent you some drugs in the mail, you knew nothing about it. Also fools will have stuff sent to another address thinking they can grab it before the resident does. Or they send to a vacant house or apt which is a very bad move. The mailman knows which places are vacant and will simply send it back. Use your own name or a name you are sure will work. Test it if not sure by mailing something to yourself. Some mail carriers will send it back if they know that person does not live there.
It is too bad about agora, I think we are not supposed to talk about active sites but I had a dream about a new one I was going to try. Read the reviews, keeping in mind some will be by the site owners and some will be by idiots who tried to have drugs sent to an empty house and cried foul when it never arrived. Read the feedback on the vendor carefully, upload your coin just before ordering, it may take a day sometimes to arrive. Send a little more than the amount because btc can fluctuate in value and you might be a dollar short. Make your order, stay in escrow and monitor it until it comes, then give feedback. It beats dealing with shifty characters on a street corner or in a bar.
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Re: Concerns new Tor weakness is being exploited prompt dark market shutdown [Re: Stonehenge]
#22166720 - 08/30/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm hoping they will start back up maybe under a new name with an open secret it's really agora. I'm still intrigued as to the security concerns regarding tor. If anyone is smart enough to elaborate on the "suspicious activity" was let us know!
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Re: Concerns new Tor weakness is being exploited prompt dark market shutdown [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#22169072 - 08/31/15 01:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't know much about computers but it makes sense to me that we could do better maybe even with less. For example why not just use something like an encrypted PM program. All we really need to do is have a way for people to talk to each other after all. So why have central servers at all?
All the market data like reviews and stuff can be stored in a distributed program that operates across all user's machines. We each have to carry a portion of the market data in order to use it.
We would still need moderators to settle disputes but maybe that could be handled by allowing a randomly selected panel of high ranked users to vote on a case outcome. Select 12 random users to read the case. As soon as 7 decide one way the case is closed. If after a couple days not enough people respond, drop non responders and select replacements. Something like that.
Basically I'm envisioning splitting the whole works up so that there are no central servers and no one group or person is even in charge.
Money might have to be direct transfer though, buyer to seller without escrow. Not sure if that creates too many weakness and problems or not. Unless, maybe there could be a way for each user to hold portions of escrow. You might have access to your own bitcoins, but unbeknownst to your PM program might also be holding the claims to coins that were waiting for transactions to clear. People wouldn't get every last bit of their money until all users holding a portion logged on again, but most of it would come through fast and only the last few percent might trickle in as stragglers logged on.
I also see sellers just going out and paying cash for a cheap PC. If they lived in an urban area and randomly used public WiFi spots just to refresh their lists of order and push communications they wouldn't be as dependent on perfect encryption. Work offline with all your order lists and even compose communications offline. Then jump on the McDonald's wifi, hit sync and walk away 3 minutes later with another days worth of orders and messages to sort out. Tomorrow go to the Library to sync. In this way it would be very difficult to identify sellers even without perfect protection. You might know that they were on McDonald's wifi for 3 minutes, but as long as the seller mixed it up you wouldn't know where they would be the next time.
Anyway, just kind of brainstorming on ways that we can make this sort of thing better. I do think that a move to distributed computing is in order though it will certainly present it's own set of challenges.
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Re: Concerns new Tor weakness is being exploited prompt dark market shutdown [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
#22169214 - 08/31/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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There is a market similar to what you say, I forget the name of it. Its in beta version so far. I don't trust it yet.
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Re: Concerns new Tor weakness is being exploited prompt dark market shutdown [Re: Stonehenge]
#22169236 - 08/31/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: There is a market similar to what you say, I forget the name of it. Its in beta version so far. I don't trust it yet.
Yeah, you're right, and it does address most of the points raised by AGT. I'm looking forward to it but giving it time to prove it is secure.
Does anyone know an ETA for Agora coming back online?
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Re: Concerns new Tor weakness is being exploited prompt dark market shutdown [Re: xpl0de]
#22169985 - 08/31/15 04:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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They will be back.
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Re: Concerns new Tor weakness is being exploited prompt dark market shutdown [Re: fapjack]
#22170811 - 08/31/15 07:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I thought about it but I really doubt they will. They quit over security concerns, there will always be concerns. They have made many millions on the market, maybe 20 - 40m, it was the biggest darknet market of them all. They are going to enjoy the time off and say why not quit while we are ahead. Kudos to them for giving back money before they left.
Black market reloaded did the same thing, closed down and gave back all the money on accounts. They were talking about coming back too but after thinking it over they, or he, decided not to. So we have to take a chance on the other markets.
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Re: Concerns new Tor weakness is being exploited prompt dark market shutdown [Re: Stonehenge]
#22170960 - 08/31/15 07:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is it really possible to trust any of the DW markets? I heard one just stole a LOT of users drug money.
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Re: Concerns new Tor weakness is being exploited prompt dark market shutdown [Re: sudly]
#22171023 - 08/31/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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A bunch of them did; evolution, tormarket, black bank, sheep market and others.
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Re: Concerns new Tor weakness is being exploited prompt dark market shutdown [Re: Stonehenge]
#22171052 - 08/31/15 08:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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BR was legendary. Blackopy sailed off into the sunset richer than dirt. I don't think the AG admins are ready to call it quits just yet.
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