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Pedro pup question
    #22150904 - 08/27/15 10:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've got a few rooted Pedro cuttings and just noticed today that one of em is pupping. I was pretty stoked to see it but wanted to get some of your opinions on some things.

I'll preface the question by saying I know there is alot of debate/disagreement on many subjects relating to the growth, care and use of these plants, just looking for the 0.02 from some more experienced heads.

1. Some people seem to think they only pup when in distress. Some think totally the opposite. Thoughts?

2.Some think having an actively growing pup will seriously slow growth of the main plant. Would I be better off letting it mature a bit and then cutting/rooting separately? Honestly I'd rather let it do its own thang unless there is good reason not to.

Thanks in advance for any advice/opinions on the topic.


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Re: Pedro pup question [Re: Angus McAxeHandle]
    #22150973 - 08/27/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Plants pup when the apical meristem is too far from the bottom of the plant. Meristems produce growth hormone. When there is a lot of growth hormone, it inhibits the growth of pups or auxiliary meristems. As the main meristem gets far from the base, the levels of growth hormone in the bottom decrease naturally. When it reachs a certain level, depending on the genetics of the plant, the growth on the auxiliary buds aren't inhibited anymore : it pups and produces a new growing head, the cycle continues.
That is why when the apical meristem is damaged or chopped off, the plant pups. Because growth hormone is no more produced so the levels decrease and cause teh auxiliary meristems to strat growing.

Certain plants pup a lot and others don't. It's called apical dominance. When the apical dominance is strong, (pereskiopsis for exemple.) the plant is less likely to pup and the apical meirstem has to be far away from the base to see a pup.

It is really simplified as a lot of factors are coming in when you speak of plant growth. Light can be a trigger of pupping, etc. etc.

So in my onpinion, if a plant pups, it is because it's necessary. So let it do its thing :grin: Uness you want to propagate, then you can cut the pups and root them.


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Re: Pedro pup question [Re: Argyreia]
    #22151874 - 08/27/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Plants pup when the apical meristem is too far from the bottom of the plant. Meristems produce growth hormone. When there is a lot of growth hormone, it inhibits the growth of pups or auxiliary meristems. As the main meristem gets far from the base, the levels of growth hormone in the bottom decrease naturally. When it reachs a certain level, depending on the genetics of the plant, the growth on the auxiliary buds aren't inhibited anymore : it pups and produces a new growing head, the cycle continues.
That is why when the apical meristem is damaged or chopped off, the plant pups. Because growth hormone is no more produced so the levels decrease and cause teh auxiliary meristems to strat growing.

Certain plants pup a lot and others don't. It's called apical dominance. When the apical dominance is strong, (pereskiopsis for exemple.) the plant is less likely to pup and the apical meirstem has to be far away from the base to see a pup.

It is really simplified as a lot of factors are coming in when you speak of plant growth. Light can be a trigger of pupping, etc. etc.

So in my onpinion, if a plant pups, it is because it's necessary. So let it do its thing :grin: Uness you want to propagate, then you can cut the pups and root them.




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Re: Pedro pup question [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #22152136 - 08/27/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hell yeah science. Cant lie, that made my nips hard for a second or three. Dont even know if its accurate but damn it sounds good. :bow2:

Guess the little guy can stay right where he's at.


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Re: Pedro pup question [Re: Angus McAxeHandle]
    #22152432 - 08/27/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I have only seen plants pup in distress at the stores when they got rained on severely and are rotting.

Your number 2 is partially correct. Because it is pupping, some of the energy used for growth will be diverted to the pup. However, on a well established plant with vigorous roots, you will see no slowing of growth on multiple points.


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Re: Pedro pup question [Re: Angus McAxeHandle]
    #22152435 - 08/27/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That's what I would do too. I mean, in the wild, they don't have anybody to chop off those pesky pups  -  and they do just fine...  :rofl:



But at the same time, there's not anything wrong with cutting them off to start separate plants.


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Re: Pedro pup question [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #22152448 - 08/27/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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kosmokratorshaman said:on a well established plant with vigorous roots, you will see no slowing of growth on multiple points.





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Re: Pedro pup question [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #22152659 - 08/27/15 05:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Nah little guys safe. My concern was an appreciable slowing on the main collumn. Got a couple other established Pedros in pots and just started germ on almost 100 seeds a couple days ago. Where I live the cacti have to winter indoors so more propagation is not big on the agenda. My wife is a patient and understanding woman but she has limits.


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Re: Pedro pup question [Re: Angus McAxeHandle]
    #22153975 - 08/27/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)



Just for the hell of it, thats the little guy in question.


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Re: Pedro pup question [Re: Angus McAxeHandle]
    #22155083 - 08/28/15 06:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I would leave it to grow. I have a t. grandiflorus that pushed out 4 pups at once. It was in distress at Walmart, and had been rained on for a week straight. All of the specimens there were doing it.

Now I have had the grandiflorus growing in a large pot, for a few months now. One pup is huge, 2 are medium, and 1 stalled out. What I have noticed though on other plants, is that when the other pups get removed or reach large growth size, than the stalled pups usually begin growing anew.

My oldest and largest trich has yet to throw any pups. It is almost 4 feet tall, and at least 5 inches across at the base. It is a monstrose I bought at a foot tall about 2-3 years ago.


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Re: Pedro pup question [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #22155131 - 08/28/15 07:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I would leave it to grow. I have a t. grandiflorus that pushed out 4 pups at once. It was in distress at Walmart, and had been rained on for a week straight. All of the specimens there were doing it.

Thats the kind of stuff I had read that had me a little concerned. In my neck of the woods the growing season isn't over but its winding down. So I was thinking if there was an issue it needed to be addressed PDQ. But hey if it's all good, then it's all good.

As I mentioned before, I'm new to this so probably somewhat prone to over reaction. I'll settle down one of these days.

Thanks again to every body that responded.


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Re: Pedro pup question [Re: Angus McAxeHandle]
    #22155139 - 08/28/15 07:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well shit. That quote didnt come out right...


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