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Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S.
    #22150205 - 08/27/15 07:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well, finally some progress in America. It will change nothing, but at least it's something.



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LITTLE ROCK, Ark. -- Wal-Mart will stop selling the AR-15 rifle and other semi-automatic weapons at its stores because fewer people are buying them, a spokesman said Wednesday.

The AR-15 rifles and other modern sporting rifles were being sold at less than a third of the company's 4,600 U.S. stores. Company spokesman Kory Lundberg said Wal-Mart Stores Inc. will remove the remaining inventory as stores transition from summer to fall merchandise, which should take a week or two to complete.

Lundberg said the decision to remove the weapons was not political and that the Bentonville, Arkansas-based retailer made the decision earlier this year.

"It's similar to what we do with any product. Being what it is, it gets a little more attention, but it's the same process for any other product," Lundberg said.

Lundberg said the company had seen a decrease in sales of the particular models of guns, but declined to give specific sales numbers. He said stores would increase inventory of other models of shotguns and rifles popular among hunters.

"We wanted to make sure when customers are coming and looking to purchase those products, they see the products they want. We see more business from hunters and people shooting clay," he said.
Several analysts said the decision was likely based on sales and demand.

"Big retailers don't make decisions on a whim, and it would appear that they are responding to their market," said Jason Maloni, a crisis communications expert at LEVICK. "This seems to be a strategic decision of Wal-Mart to address customer desires."

In recent years, shareholders have placed some pressure on the company to reconsider its sales policies of products such as weapons that hold high-capacity magazines. Bushmaster variations of the semi-automatic AR-15 have been used in such high-profile mass shootings as the Sandy Hook massacre in Newtown, Connecticut, and the theatre shooting in Aurora, Colorado.

The historic Trinity Church on Wall Street in New York, which owns stock in Wal-Mart, filed a lawsuit last year after the company declined to allow a shareholder vote on the church's proposal for the board of directors to more closely review policies on sales decisions of products that could "endanger public safety and well-being" or hurt the company's reputation or emphasis on family and community values.

A lower court ruled that the shareholders should be allowed to consider the proposal, but a U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals judge lifted that injunction. The church has not appealed, but officials said they are not ready to drop the lawsuit either.

The Rev. William Lupfer, rector of the church, said in a statement Wednesday that the church was "pleased to hear Wal-Mart will no longer sell the kinds of weapons that have caused such devastation and loss in communities across our country."

"We continue to believe that corporate boards have the responsibility to oversee the creation of policies that will guide decision making on marketing and other issues that could have momentous impact on the safety and well-being of society and to shareholder value," Lupfer wrote.

Wal-Mart scaled back the number of stores that sold guns around 2006, Lundberg said, but has no plans to stop the sale of guns all together.


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Patlal]
    #22150215 - 08/27/15 08:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i have no problem with people selling assault weapons. but i also have no problem with walmart deciding they dont want to sell them. its their business, so they can choose what they wanna sell. so i picked STAL

there are plenty great places to buy guns that arent fuckin walmart


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #22150216 - 08/27/15 08:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I personally believe that this is how liberty slowly dies. There once was a regime where only the police and military had firearms....the Nazi regime.  I sort of am stretching a bit, but it is one possible outcome that our banning firearms could lead to. 

I don't want to take that risk. We need firearms, because criminals will always have them.


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Patlal]
    #22150221 - 08/27/15 08:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Wow department stores havent sold guns in my state for decades and I thought walmart stopped selling guns n ammo after colombine. If you live by a walmart that sells ar15's you must live in east bumblefuck USA and I feel bad for you.


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: InfiniteToker]
    #22150224 - 08/27/15 08:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I personally believe that this is how liberty slowly dies. There once was a regime where only the police and military had firearms....the Nazi regime.  I sort of am stretching a bit, but it is one possible outcome that our banning firearms could lead to. 

I don't want to take that risk. We need firearms, because criminals will always have them.





what? are you suggesting walmart should be forced to keep AR15s in stock?

a company changing their inventory isnt a breach of liberty. i dont even understand why people care about this. who buys guns at walmart anyways? buy from a local gunshop/gunshow ffs


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Adolin]
    #22150234 - 08/27/15 08:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

no I was generalizing.  It's there right as a store.  I just think that the media showcasing these gruesome acts of gun violence sort of coerces or puts pressure on businesses to stop carrying firearms.

  I think ultimately guns will be prohibited indefinitely unless you are police officers or govt/military.  i don't want to be around in that world.  Criminals will still have them.


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: InfiniteToker]
    #22150250 - 08/27/15 08:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

no guns will never be prohibited are you a crazy person?


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: InfiniteToker]
    #22150252 - 08/27/15 08:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I just think that the media showcasing these gruesome acts of gun violence sort of coerces or puts pressure on businesses to stop carrying firearms.





i agree 100%. it just doesnt suprise me that walmart would do this :lol:

kind of like when CVS stopped selling cigarettes. i just shrugged because i would never think of going to a drug store for cigarettes anyways, just like i'd never go to walmart for a gun


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22150254 - 08/27/15 08:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

No, and they are illegal in several countries already.  It's not a crazy concept by any means.


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Patlal]
    #22150257 - 08/27/15 08:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I wouldn't buy my AR-15s at Walmart.


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: InfiniteToker]
    #22150262 - 08/27/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Wal-mart not selling AR-15s has nothing to do with the media showcasing gun violence or any political bullshit.

They aren't selling AR-15s anymore because the not enough people are buying them.  They are a business and a practical thing for them to do is to not buy a product that won't sell.


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: InfiniteToker]
    #22150264 - 08/27/15 08:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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No, and they are illegal in several countries already.  It's not a crazy concept by any means.



no no it is crazy


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22150268 - 08/27/15 08:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

okay, agree to disagree. Peace.


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
    #22150273 - 08/27/15 08:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Wal-mart not selling AR-15s has nothing to do with the media showcasing gun violence or any political bullshit.

They aren't selling AR-15s anymore because the not enough people are buying them.  They are a business and a practical thing for them to do is to not buy a product that won't sell.



well duhhh you really think CVS would stop selling cigs if it was thier #1 product because its "healthier" or whatever. Yehh fucking right they stopped selling cigs cuz they were sick of paying to rotate a stock of stale cigs no one ever buys.


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22150279 - 08/27/15 08:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

When... when did I say anything about CVS and cigarettes?


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: InfiniteToker]
    #22150280 - 08/27/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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okay, agree to disagree. Peace.



there would be a second civil war ur fucking nuts to even consider that happening. Thats like being worried russia would invade your neive to the ways of the world.


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22150281 - 08/27/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Wal-mart not selling AR-15s has nothing to do with the media showcasing gun violence or any political bullshit.

They aren't selling AR-15s anymore because the not enough people are buying them.  They are a business and a practical thing for them to do is to not buy a product that won't sell.



well duhhh you really think CVS would stop selling cigs if it was thier #1 product because its "healthier" or whatever. Yehh fucking right they stopped selling cigs cuz they were sick of paying to rotate a stock of stale cigs no one ever buys.





guns dont really work like that though. they dont have a shelf life, and in general, they dont devalue very much if they havent been used.

walmart certainly wasnt loosing any money by having ar15s in stock.


i only used the CVS cigarette example to say that i'd never buy guns from walmart, not that walmart was somehow loseing money by selling AR15s


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Adolin]
    #22150285 - 08/27/15 08:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

No? you also dont have a clue how the world works.


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22150292 - 08/27/15 08:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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No? you also dont have a clue how the world works.





ok, lets assume your right and i dont. so how about you tell me how walmart was losing money by stocking that particular(and very popular) gun?


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: InfiniteToker]
    #22150295 - 08/27/15 08:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I personally believe that this is how liberty slowly dies. There once was a regime where only the police and military had firearms....the Nazi regime.  I sort of am stretching a bit, but it is one possible outcome that our banning firearms could lead to. 

I don't want to take that risk. We need firearms, because criminals will always have them.



Holy shit.  With what constantly occurs in America, you still want guns?  I live in Australia.  We have not had one shooting massacre since 1996.  And after that the gun laws were changed.  Problem solved.


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Jufin] * 1
    #22150298 - 08/27/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

There's no gang violence in Australia?

I'm really asking, I don't know anything about Australia


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Adolin]
    #22150318 - 08/27/15 08:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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No? you also dont have a clue how the world works.





ok, lets assume your right and i dont. so how about you tell me how walmart was losing money by stocking that particular(and very popular) gun?



they have to pay for the product they have to pay to ship it they have to pay for a building to sell it in they have pay to have self space where stuff that sells should go, They have to pay someone to dust them off maintain them someone to sell them to no one. they have to pay for lighs to light them climate control accountants to keep track of how much money these are hemmeraging should I go on?


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
    #22150323 - 08/27/15 08:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

There's gang violence, sure, but it's never happened upon me or anyone I know.  Australia had 13 mass shootings between 1979 and 1996, then after the Port Arthur Massacre the gun laws changed, zero gun massacres.


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: InfiniteToker]
    #22150330 - 08/27/15 08:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I personally believe that this is how liberty slowly dies. .



That's because you're an NRA stooge. You don't know how to think for yourself and you're completely susceptible to PR campaigns and propaganda.


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    #22150334 - 08/27/15 08:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I personally believe that this is how liberty slowly dies. There once was a regime where only the police and military had firearms....the Nazi regime.  I sort of am stretching a bit, but it is one possible outcome that our banning firearms could lead to. 

I don't want to take that risk. We need firearms, because criminals will always have them.



Holy shit.  With what constantly occurs in America, you still want guns?  I live in Australia.  We have not had one shooting massacre since 1996.  And after that the gun laws were changed.  Problem solved.



bans guns and then points out how its solved all "shootings" :brilliant: Lets talk about why did you guys ban guns? what about all the mass shootings/murder after 2007 your ignoring?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Hectorville_siege

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quakers_Hill,_New_South_Wales#Nursing_home_fire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairns_child_killings

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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22150335 - 08/27/15 08:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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No? you also dont have a clue how the world works.





ok, lets assume your right and i dont. so how about you tell me how walmart was losing money by stocking that particular(and very popular) gun?



they have to pay for the product they have to pay to ship it they have to pay for a building to sell it in they have pay to have self space where stuff that sells should go, They have to pay someone to dust them off maintain them someone to sell them to no one. they have to pay for lighs to light them climate control accountants to keep track of how much money these are hemmeraging should I go on?




you're aware that walmart has to do that for every single product... right? do you think every other item is manufactured magically inside the store, and nobody has to ship it, or stock it, or acouunt for it? only guns?

people do buy guns at walmart. believe it or not. just because me (or you? i dunno) wouldnt buy a gun at walmart doesnt mean nobody does


and its not like walmart orderes hundreds of guns all at once
there arent 150 AR-15s in some back room at walmart, there are 2 or 3. and when one sells, they order a new one. its that simple.



if walmart made no money off of guns, they wouldnt have been selling them(and still doing so) for the last few decades or however long theyve been around.


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: koods]
    #22150345 - 08/27/15 08:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

yea sure okay.  i don't even follow the NRA. let alone own a gun. I'm a former Veteran that realizes the importance of guns. if those in authority are the only ones that have it, power tends to corrupt.


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    #22150350 - 08/27/15 08:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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yea sure okay.  i don't even follow the NRA. let alone own a gun. I'm a former Veteran that realizes the importance of guns. if those in authority are the only ones that have it, power tends to corrupt.



We have a way to get people out of power. It's called elections.


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: koods]
    #22150355 - 08/27/15 08:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Today I learned I could have bought an AR-15 in a walmart trash shop if only I lived in the Best Country.  :sad:
Oh well, time to eat some heterosexual kale I guess.


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    #22150356 - 08/27/15 08:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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    #22150357 - 08/27/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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yea sure okay.  i don't even follow the NRA. let alone own a gun. I'm a former Veteran that realizes the importance of guns. if those in authority are the only ones that have it, power tends to corrupt.



We have a way to get people out of power. It's called elections.




North Korea has elections with a near 100% turnout. but is that doing anything for them?

having elections alone doesnt work. there need to be other freedoms or else its all a sham


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    #22150360 - 08/27/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Today I learned I could have bought an AR-15 in a walmart trash shop if only I lived in the Best Country.  :sad:
Oh well, time to eat some heterosexual kale I guess.



you could buy kale bigger than ur head for like a dollar too

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I personally believe that this is how liberty slowly dies. There once was a regime where only the police and military had firearms....the Nazi regime.  I sort of am stretching a bit, but it is one possible outcome that our banning firearms could lead to. 

I don't want to take that risk. We need firearms, because criminals will always have them.



Holy shit.  With what constantly occurs in America, you still want guns?  I live in Australia.  We have not had one shooting massacre since 1996.  And after that the gun laws were changed.  Problem solved.



bans guns and then points out how its solved all "shootings" :brilliant: Lets talk about why did you guys ban guns? what about all the mass shootings/murder after 2007 your ignoring?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Hectorville_siege

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quakers_Hill,_New_South_Wales#Nursing_home_fire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairns_child_killings

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lin_family_murders



Yes, some shit still happens, but look at the numbers.  You found 4 events that happened in Australia.  Look at this article.  There's so many, it would take me ages to count them.  If you can't see that, you really not worth discussing with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States#21st_century


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    #22150378 - 08/27/15 08:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

problem wasnt solved was it? That was my point.


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    #22150382 - 08/27/15 08:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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yea sure okay.  i don't even follow the NRA. let alone own a gun. I'm a former Veteran that realizes the importance of guns. if those in authority are the only ones that have it, power tends to corrupt.



We have a way to get people out of power. It's called elections.




You know what oeoe who use guns to remove people from power are called? Terrorists and assasins? Is that what you think Makes Americans free, that politicians are afraid of terrorism and assassination. The fact that Americans have so many guns is why we are slipping towards being a police state.

The worst part is the people who want guns the most are the ones who are least mentally capable of taking care to use them rationally. Generally they are the types that think it's cool to walk into a McDonalds with a semiautomatic strapped to their back or shoot themselves while protecting a gun store from Muslim customers.

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yea sure okay.  i don't even follow the NRA. let alone own a gun. I'm a former Veteran that realizes the importance of guns. if those in authority are the only ones that have it, power tends to corrupt.



We have a way to get people out of power. It's called elections.




North Korea has elections with a near 100% turnout. but is that doing anything for them?

having elections alone doesnt work. there need to be other freedoms or else its all a sham



What are you babbling on about? North Korea is a total authoritarian theocracy.

We have a constitution. One that looks very unfavorably on those who would rise up against our elected government. Treason is the only crime listed in the document and insurrection is the only way your constitutional rights can legally be taken from you.


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: koods]
    #22150400 - 08/27/15 08:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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What are you babbling on about? North Korea is a total authoritarian theocracy.





doesnt stop em from holding "elections". which you claimed is the only thing you need to get someone out of power

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/21/asia/north-korea-election-result/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_North_Korea


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    #22150405 - 08/27/15 08:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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problem wasnt solved was it? That was my point.




So unless you have total success you shouldn't do anything. No point in making things better. If you can't have total perfection then why even bother?


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What are you babbling on about? North Korea is a total authoritarian theocracy.





doesnt stop em from holding "elections". which you claimed is the only thing you need to get someone out of power

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/21/asia/north-korea-election-result/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_North_Korea




So you can't understand the difference between real democracy and a authoritarian police state? You must be the easiest person to scam in the world. Can I have your phone number?


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    #22150416 - 08/27/15 09:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

First of all your comparing apples and oranges here. Your also looking at a very small portion of the whole picture.


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What are you babbling on about? North Korea is a total authoritarian theocracy.





doesnt stop em from holding "elections". which you claimed is the only thing you need to get someone out of power

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/21/asia/north-korea-election-result/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_North_Korea




So you can't understand the difference between real democracy and a authoritarian police state? You must be the easiest person to scam in the world. Can I have your phone number?




the US is a federal republic.


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    #22150422 - 08/27/15 09:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

North Korean civilians don't even have the internet.  They are completely enclosed in a bubble.  We all are, it seems.


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You're reaching zZZz levels of inanity


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    #22150428 - 08/27/15 09:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i dont even know why i'm posting about this in a thread about walmart not selling guns anymore. fuck it. your right koods. your totally right. we should all have our guns taken away, and anyone who doesnt comply should be killed off.


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    #22150438 - 08/27/15 09:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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i dont even know why i'm posting about this in a thread about walmart not selling guns anymore. fuck it. your right koods. your totally right. we should all have our guns taken away, and anyone who doesnt comply should be killed off.




Naw keep your gun. We should ban ammo.


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    #22150485 - 08/27/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Today I learned I could have bought an AR-15 in a walmart trash shop if only I lived in the Best Country.  :sad:
Oh well, time to eat some heterosexual kale I guess.



you could buy kale bigger than ur head for like a dollar too

:morningtoke:




Yeah and then mix it with potatoes and make enough for 3 days, that's 3 good meals for less than two American dollars.

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    #22150517 - 08/27/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I personally believe that this is how liberty slowly dies. There once was a regime where only the police and military had firearms....the Nazi regime.  I sort of am stretching a bit, but it is one possible outcome that our banning firearms could lead to. 

I don't want to take that risk. We need firearms, because criminals will always have them.





what? are you suggesting walmart should be forced to keep AR15s in stock?

a company changing their inventory isnt a breach of liberty. i dont even understand why people care about this. who buys guns at walmart anyways? buy from a local gunshop/gunshow ffs





now aint this all fucked up... I'm in agreement with you

if walmart isnt selling the arms then someone else will be which could result
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    #22150558 - 08/27/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

This isn't progress, its complete shit.  This is Liberal progressiveness trying to ruin our country when you think less guns is good.

As long as they keep selling ammo.  They have some of the best prices


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i dont even know why i'm posting about this in a thread about walmart not selling guns anymore. fuck it. your right koods. your totally right. we should all have our guns taken away, and anyone who doesnt comply should be killed off.




Naw keep your gun. We should ban ammo.





I'm sure that will work since people have been stockpiling ammo for years, not
to mention that it doesnt stop the production for the materials such as brass
cases, lead, powders, primers... all it does is increase business for the
companies selling reloading supplies. kinda like the bans on various drugs have
worked out so well

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    #22150576 - 08/27/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

yeh seriously banning guns makes almost no sense i mean bet you can make an automatic gun outta a bunch of crap you have laying around ur house.


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    #22150583 - 08/27/15 09:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

People have made guns out of 3D printing machines.


Guns are never going anywhere and libtards can cry allllllll they want about it


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    #22150597 - 08/27/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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People have made guns out of 3D printing machines.


Guns are never going anywhere and libtards can cry allllllll they want about it



i heard they were 3d printing glass and theyre usin to make a bunch of industry stuff n stupid figurines n shit so dumb people really need to strt synrgizing these new technologies think of what you could do now tha you can print glass. the possibilities at that point are almost limitless. Why is no one even working towards printing a bong.

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    #22150608 - 08/27/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Im sure you could print a bong. :awesome:

Those 3D printers are somethin else..


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    #22150614 - 08/27/15 09:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

yeh but i dont want jus any old bong i want bubbles coming into bubbles bubbling outta other bubbles in a prebubbling bubblation


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This isn't progress, its complete shit.  This is Liberal progressiveness trying to ruin our country when you think less guns is good.

As long as they keep selling ammo.  They have some of the best prices





it's not progress, shit or liberal anything... it's business. why keep stocking
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Maybe not even bubbles maybe somekinda next level shit we dont even know about yet holy fuck


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Herbologist said:
This isn't progress, its complete shit.  This is Liberal progressiveness trying to ruin our country when you think less guns is good.

As long as they keep selling ammo.  They have some of the best prices





it's not progress, shit or liberal anything... it's business. why keep stocking
shit that people arent buying





What I said is reference to what Patlal said about it.


Idc if they stop selling them based on number of sales.

I just want them to keep selling ammo.


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    #22150648 - 08/27/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Please refrain from telling us about how great the Fascist Republic of Australia is.  It's a police state, of course they have dissarmed the citizens.


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    #22150811 - 08/27/15 10:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Go ahead and ban guns, criminals will just use muscles:shrug:


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Go ahead and ban guns, criminals will just use muscles:shrug:





Or bats, knives, chains, stun guns, swords, clubs, broken bottles, chairs, metal rods, rocks.  Just about anything.


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    #22150834 - 08/27/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback

Here' it shows that AUS just bought guns from the people

so people that didn't really want guns sold them to be destroyed rather then selling them to a rando


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    #22150846 - 08/27/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Buy back is a form of government manipulation and control


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    #22150855 - 08/27/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I love how arrogant Australians are its cute :lol:


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    #22150891 - 08/27/15 10:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Buy back is a form of government manipulation and control




Shooting someone in the face is a form of manipulation and control

Most people don't live in the wild west...


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    #22150898 - 08/27/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

No, that would be called killing someone.


Where you're from can you manipulate a dead person?


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    #22150902 - 08/27/15 10:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

well I would never buy a gun to defend myself:shrug:

a hatchet maybe, that is something that you can use in a house


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    #22150922 - 08/27/15 10:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Lol a hatchet for in home protection that's something else man. Obviously you don't need a 50 cal but if there's more then 1 intruder a hatchet is almost pointless.


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lock the door:shrug:


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    #22150962 - 08/27/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If I have a problem, everyone knows I can always hide outside the window then when they come in chuck a blazin tomahawk thru them while they're watching t.v.


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    #22151001 - 08/27/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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well I would never buy a gun to defend myself:shrug:

a hatchet maybe, that is something that you can use in a house





Is there a shield around houses then disable the striker or hammer on a gun when you enter?


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    #22151045 - 08/27/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Lol people that use guns to kill people will kick your door in or break a window or come in the garage/back door or any number of things. Now I do lock my doors and windows and all that as yes it does provide some deterrence but ultimately if people want to get in they will. Literally within a week of my felonies being overturned I had purchased 2 guns. I bought a hunting rifle and a 12 gauge shotgun. I believe people should be able to buy what


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    #22151493 - 08/27/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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This isn't progress, its complete shit.  This is Liberal progressiveness trying to ruin our country when you think less guns is good.





Yeah I'm sure Walmart is in Liberal hands, they are super fair with their employees :smirk:


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Asante]
    #22151629 - 08/27/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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This isn't progress, its complete shit.  This is Liberal progressiveness trying to ruin our country when you think less guns is good.





Yeah I'm sure Walmart is in Liberal hands, they are super fair with their employees :smirk:





Liberals can't be an unfair employer?  Seems narrow minded.


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Herbologist]
    #22154754 - 08/28/15 02:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Liberals can't be an unfair employer?  Seems narrow minded.




Yeah, Asante, don't you know our very own VVD is a liberal party?
And you're not even human to them if you make less then 3000 euros a month :lol:

But we all know what Asante meant. And I think he's right, you guys are trying to see PC liberal conspiracies everywhere.
Is it just possible that, maybe, a business is discontinueing a product because it isn't selling that well?

And you can still buy ammo there, right?
I wouldn't whine about it. I've seen those gun shops you guys have, why would you ever go to walmart for your weapons in the first place?


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Patlal]
    #22154784 - 08/28/15 02:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

This isn't a change in America :ilold:. This is no different than any other product not being sold in a certain store because it doesn't do well (When I worked retail we had people still coming into ask for chewing tobacco, it had apparently be removed because it just never sold with any regularity, it wasn't worth the hassle or logistics to keep it stocked, so it was axed).

Walmart prides themselves on cheap shit, and their guns were no exception really, at least the ones in question. You'll get plenty of people to say they love their Bushmaster, but you'll also get plenty of people to say they love their Taurus. Most serious gun owners snub their nose at both though. Would you run out and buy some 500 dollar piece of equipment with a track record of breaking down almost immediately and customer service/repairs being abysmal at best? Or would you spend an extra 50-100 to go with the brand that has been shown to be of excellent quality and very dedicated customer support? Even very well built guns sometimes just don't work right. It's the nature of mass production. If you get a Taurus that needs servicing, you can expect to get it back weeks later, and maybe even discover the problem hasn't been fixed. My Ruger had a problem and I had to send it in. I had it back in under a week, problem fixed. No hassle whatsoever. So you can't even base that kind of decision on reliability. You need to base it on customer service.

I've never, in all my life, seen a single person buy a gun from Wal-mart. I know it happens, but I've never seen it. Every single time I go to Academy, there's someone buying a gun, or getting ready to buy one. They stock solid guns with proven track records. You could get them a little cheaper online, but it's kind of a hassle to buy a gun online. You also can't inspect it's quality beforehand. 

If you really think Walmart deciding to stop selling ARs and shit is a sign of anything, you are obviously very misinformed. Academy probably sells in a week what Walmart sold all year. And Academy isn't the only store that has guns flying out the doors. You will not see these places deciding to remove guns from their lines, because they make a lot of money off of it.

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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Turtletotem]
    #22154893 - 08/28/15 04:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Liberals can't be an unfair employer?  Seems narrow minded.




Yeah, Asante, don't you know our very own VVD is a liberal party?
And you're not even human to them if you make less then 3000 euros a month :lol:

But we all know what Asante meant. And I think he's right, you guys are trying to see PC liberal conspiracies everywhere.
Is it just possible that, maybe, a business is discontinueing a product because it isn't selling that well?

And you can still buy ammo there, right?
I wouldn't whine about it. I've seen those gun shops you guys have, why would you ever go to walmart for your weapons in the first place?





The VVD are conservatives, their understanding of Liberals is quite different from the US one.


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Herbologist]
    #22154897 - 08/28/15 04:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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This isn't progress, its complete shit.  This is Liberal progressiveness trying to ruin our country when you think less guns is good.





Yeah I'm sure Walmart is in Liberal hands, they are super fair with their employees :smirk:





Liberals can't be an unfair employer?  Seems narrow minded.





Of course its narrowminded, because its true:


http://www.politicususa.com/2013/12/23/walmart-busted-forcing-employees-political-contributions-republicans.html


Walmart not just heavily sponsors the republican party, it tries to blackmail its employees to do the same.


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22154901 - 08/28/15 04:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Wal-mart not selling AR-15s has nothing to do with the media showcasing gun violence or any political bullshit.

They aren't selling AR-15s anymore because the not enough people are buying them.  They are a business and a practical thing for them to do is to not buy a product that won't sell.



well duhhh you really think CVS would stop selling cigs if it was thier #1 product because its "healthier" or whatever. Yehh fucking right they stopped selling cigs cuz they were sick of paying to rotate a stock of stale cigs no one ever buys.



When cvs carried cigs they sold a fuckload. Easily 25% of sales were cigarettes at the store I worked in. They had the best price in the area.


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #22154913 - 08/28/15 04:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I still don't understand that move. When they stopped selling cigs, our customer base basically doubled over night. They reported an increase in revenue, but I really don't see how that's possible.

Literally the most common thing someone goes into Walgreens for is cigarettes. As far as the front of the store is concerned anyways. Pharmacy is another world.


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22155040 - 08/28/15 06:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I like guns. I like my *right* to own guns as an American, but I really don't care that Wal-Mart is no longer carrying AR-15's and such. There are plenty of other places I'd rather go to buy a rifle/gun. It may be a political move, it may not. How would I ever know the truth?

The CVS thing had me thinking also "who the hell goes to CVS for cigarettes anyway?" That was a pretty easy move for them. They probably weren't selling ANY cigarettes so they designed a way to make it look like they were taking a stand or something. Banning guns isn't going to solve anything.


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Konyap]
    #22155451 - 08/28/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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http://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback

Here' it shows that AUS just bought guns from the people

so people that didn't really want guns sold them to be destroyed rather then selling them to a rando





australia didnt just buy the guns back from people, they placed heavy
restrictions on ownership, banned certain types of guns and set a mandatory
buyback, in order to not become a criminal and be subjected to prison time you
had to surrender your weapons

so, even the people that wanted to keep their guns were forced to sell them to
the government to be destroyed or they would face criminal prosecution

now, what did that do for australia?

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/statistics-reveal-surge-in-crime-across-country-with-homicide-assault-public-order-gun-and-drug-offences-up-in-queensland/story-fnihsrf2-1226840030531

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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22155478 - 08/28/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

But they'll still be selling shotguns.


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Asante]
    #22155499 - 08/28/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Herbologist said:
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Asante said:
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Herbologist said:
This isn't progress, its complete shit.  This is Liberal progressiveness trying to ruin our country when you think less guns is good.





Yeah I'm sure Walmart is in Liberal hands, they are super fair with their employees :smirk:





Liberals can't be an unfair employer?  Seems narrow minded.





Of course its narrowminded, because its true:


http://www.politicususa.com/2013/12/23/walmart-busted-forcing-employees-political-contributions-republicans.html


Walmart not just heavily sponsors the republican party, it tries to blackmail its employees to do the same.





really, so it was force? did they deduct it from people's paychecks without
their consent? did they hold people down and take the money from their wallets?
did they use one of their guns to take the money? how exactly were walmart
employees forced to donate money to political action committees?

oh, they offered $2 to charity for each $1 donated to the PAC

Quote:

FEC commissioners are deadlocked on whether the practice is illegal or not, but Walmart’s practice of offering 2 to 1 charity donations in exchange for employee donations has caused current and former FEC commissioners to call the practice illegal and over the line.




but hey, employees were forced to donate 50% of that to democrats, why arent we
hearing about that? I mean are the democrats really so butthurt that all the
money didnt go to them? do you not understand how these PACs work? the
employees have a choice as to which fund they'd like to contribute and whether
or not they would like to contribute, so, if they dont want to contribute to
the election funds of either party, they dont have to


https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00093054&cycle=2012


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: bukkake]
    #22155508 - 08/28/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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But they'll still be selling shotguns.





they'll still be selling semi automatic rifles too


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Asante]
    #22155850 - 08/28/15 10:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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This isn't progress, its complete shit.  This is Liberal progressiveness trying to ruin our country when you think less guns is good.





Yeah I'm sure Walmart is in Liberal hands, they are super fair with their employees :smirk:





Liberals can't be an unfair employer?  Seems narrow minded.





Of course its narrowminded, because its true:


http://www.politicususa.com/2013/12/23/walmart-busted-forcing-employees-political-contributions-republicans.html


Walmart not just heavily sponsors the republican party, it tries to blackmail its employees to do the same.





So you're grouping people together now?

I thought you were against that? No?


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Herbologist]
    #22155895 - 08/28/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Herbologist said:
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Herbologist said:


Liberals can't be an unfair employer?  Seems narrow minded.





Of course its narrowminded, because its true:


http://www.politicususa.com/2013/12/23/walmart-busted-forcing-employees-political-contributions-republicans.html


Walmart not just heavily sponsors the republican party, it tries to blackmail its employees to do the same.





So you're grouping people together now?

I thought you were against that? No?





I group together with people whenever I enter a checkout line or go to a party.

My God man, what are you saying?


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Asante]
    #22155906 - 08/28/15 10:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You're grouping conservative and liberal employers into 2 groups.

Apparently, liberals can't be unfair employers.  Do you not understand what you said yourself?


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Herbologist]
    #22155939 - 08/28/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I didnt say progressive employers can't be complete Scrooges, I just noted on a trend that its generally the more conservative ones who manifest in such a way.

A definition of progressiveness and conservatism is that the former tend to favor the people over capital, and the latter capital over the people.

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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Asante]
    #22158492 - 08/28/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I didnt say progressive employers can't be complete Scrooges, I just noted on a trend that its generally the more conservative ones who manifest in such a way.

A definition of progressiveness and conservatism is that the former tend to favor the people over capital, and the latter capital over the people.

That of course is up for debate so, sure.





complete horse shit just like the claims that walmart donates heavily to the republicans.


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22158507 - 08/28/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i aint going to read through another canadian induced gun control thread.

but i will say this.. i wish we could go back to the days were 200 and a mail order slip got you a 200 thompson smg delievered to do your door.

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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: rackem]
    #22158526 - 08/28/15 09:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If we could go back to the days where 200 could get you a Thompson SMG regardless of circumstances, I'd be a happy man.


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22158533 - 08/28/15 09:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Patlal]
    #22158551 - 08/28/15 09:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i never really buy guns or ammo there anyway, they don't really have the greatest prices in that department of there store.


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someone was telling me they still are selling bricks of federal .22 for something like 25 bucks..
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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: rackem]
    #22158557 - 08/28/15 09:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I can no longer purchase an AR-15 with the rest of my Great Value products?

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    #22158567 - 08/28/15 09:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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someone was telling me they still are selling bricks of federal .22 for something like 25 bucks..
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    #22158574 - 08/28/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

im really not concerned about it..i like rounds i can reload.  but i know people are.. it is the most common round fired.


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: SurReality]
    #22158577 - 08/28/15 09:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

.22s are fine. No one's using them for defense. They're just a cheap plinking round. I love firing off an entire magazine rapid fire, but paying around 4 or 5 dollars to do it makes me not do it. On a .22 it probably doesn't break the dollar mark. Hell with the right purchase it probably doesn't even break the half-dollar mark.


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: rackem]
    #22158587 - 08/28/15 09:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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someone was telling me they still are selling bricks of federal .22 for something like 25 bucks..
if you are in the right place at the right time.





those bricks arent what they used to be, they're around 300 rounds as opposed to
550 rounds which used to cost $11 a few years ago, the ammo hoarders are buying
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    #22158675 - 08/28/15 10:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

hell even 50 would be cheap..

round here its 75 for the 550 feds..  fuckign ridiculous.


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: rackem]
    #22158685 - 08/28/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That's fucked


I can't really justify shooting 22 for more than 30 a brick. Past that I'd rather shoot 9mm.


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    #22158695 - 08/28/15 10:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

it really is...

i reload everything i shoot minus shotguns and 22 so ammo really isnt a big deal.. but its still fun to go out to the desert and outshoot a 22 hit things at stupid distance just cause. but at that price the fun just isnt there


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    #22158706 - 08/28/15 10:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

you'd think the chinese would step in and make us some super cheap ammo because its tainted with lead and the sweat of children


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    #22158710 - 08/28/15 10:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

im waiting.. they have done it with everything else..

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    #22158711 - 08/28/15 10:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i think the problem would be shipping. although they don't pay (much if anything) to ship to USA, i doubt that would be the same for ammo considering the HAZ MAT.


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    #22158715 - 08/28/15 10:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i hate that charge.  specially on powder.


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    #22158772 - 08/28/15 10:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

someone should liek find a way to make gun powder or something


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    #22158784 - 08/28/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

its pretty hard, you're better of getting a black powder gun and making black powder. unless you have lots of money and which point you might as well just buy ammo lol


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22158796 - 08/28/15 11:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Black powder is easy. The powder used in modern guns, not so much. They are not interchangeable. You can use black powder on modern guns, but things are going to get gunked up fast.


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22158829 - 08/28/15 11:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

well most modern guns don't take cartridges that will hold enough bp for it to be very effective.

you'd have to use 45 colt or 44 magnums, maybe some others.

(also wouldn't old guns gunk up too from bp?)


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: SurReality]
    #22158881 - 08/28/15 11:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Old guns do gunk up, but they're not as finely tuned as modern ones. It depends a lot on the modern gun in question though. Like an AK you can basically bury it in sand and shoot 5k rounds out of it without ever cleaning it, and it will still fire. My Ruger on the other hand, starts getting FTFs after a few hundred rounds and babying. There's also the fact that modern bullets are more closely sized proportionally to the barrel than old guns were. Get the barrel gunked up enough, the slug may never even leave the barrel.

Effectiveness is determined by what you plan to do with it. For target shooting, BP will probably work for most decent sized calibers. You're just not going to get as high energy.


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22158914 - 08/28/15 11:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i dont know if i would trust bp in a modern weapon. a cannon sure.. i havent found any reload data with bp on any modern calibers i reload.

how many grains would one start off at? im a little to old to be a guinea pig.


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    #22158928 - 08/28/15 11:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

a good place to start is to burn equal amounts of each powder and determine how much heat each one produces.  then you can extrapolate an idea of how much bp it takes to match smokeless modern powders.  im going to go out on a limb and say since someone mentioned not being able to fit enough into the shells, that you would basically just match what you would use in smokeless at the top end.  you don't want to go over that tho for fear of the shell exploding for some odd reason like not enough space in the shell or something.

so other than that i imagine the worst that would happen is the bullet wouldn't leave the gun, which isn't dangerous until you fire the next shot.  but my gut tells me the bullet will have plenty of power to leave the gun, just not enough to be accurate at long ranges.  im going to guess you would be somewhere in muzzleloader for range accuracy, maybe a bit further since design is a bit different


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    #22158934 - 08/28/15 11:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I dunno and I wouldn't really trust it either. I'm not saying it's a good idea, but I don't see any reason it shouldn't work. If only for just a couple of rounds. Confine a black powder explosion you get the same things that power the slug down the barrel with modern gun powder. It's considerably weaker though so velocity is going to be lessened to a great extent. It would make hunting or self defense pretty much impossible (my assumption anyways).

Black powder is dirty as hell though and modern firearms are built around tolerances that only modern gun powder provides. So it's definitely not a long term solution.

Really it's probably vastly more dangerous to try modern gun powder in a black powder rifle, than the other way around. Because those aren't built to withstand the pressures of modern powder. I'd be willing to go out on a limb and say you're just holding a fancy pipe bomb.


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22158939 - 08/29/15 12:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

thats doesnt sound like a bad place to start. however, the variance in pressures would be a concern (although i am pretty sure modern smokless powder has a higher pressures than black powder)

i may load some 45 colts and see what happens.  if i do ill def let you know how it goes

and yeah i have fired projectiles into the barrel by way of primer only.. its not fun.


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: rackem]
    #22158950 - 08/29/15 12:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Tried Googling to find out the actual ratios. I've seen it mentioned somewhere and want to say that Smokeless was roughly 3x as powerful as Black (but do not just assume this :lol:). Did learn something I didn't know though, which actually seems kinda counter intuitive. Black powder burns faster than smokeless. The reason for the smoke of BP is that it's burning too fast to fully combust the materials (or come close to it) smokeless, being slower burning, combusts more of the mass of material present.

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    #22158964 - 08/29/15 12:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

well that is interesting.

i also like seeing the different ways that smokeless powder is produced, some are flaky some look like pellets some granular.

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    #22158983 - 08/29/15 12:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I haven't gotten into reloading yet. I want to, but the setup isn't exactly cheap. I've been saving all my brass though, so I'm ready to start whenever I can get to it. I think I have probably 1-2k casings in good shape of 9mm and .45. I also have another 1k of each that is yet to be fired (goddamn an ammo can with 1000 rounds of .45 is fucking heavy! How did soldiers run through battlefields with shit like that?!) so there's another 1-2k casings depending on how well I'm able to collect them (usually about a 80% success rate though).


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    #22158984 - 08/29/15 12:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Old guns do gunk up, but they're not as finely tuned as modern ones. It depends a lot on the modern gun in question though. Like an AK you can basically bury it in sand and shoot 5k rounds out of it without ever cleaning it, and it will still fire.





you can do that with nearly any weapon designed for combat including the AR,
they're designed to be simple, easy enough for the dumbest grunt to deal with
on a battle field

running BP in anything that's gas operated will make it ineffective fast, AR and
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    #22158991 - 08/29/15 12:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Tried Googling to find out the actual ratios. I've seen it mentioned somewhere and want to say that Smokeless was roughly 3x as powerful as Black (but do not just assume this :lol:).





they behave differently, you dont want air space in the case as you do with
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    #22158992 - 08/29/15 12:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

yeah, i dont get how they were able to still be mobile.  for shits and grins last time i went camping i took one of the 440 round ammo cans with me to see how long it would take to open up with only the can opener.

i didnt even make it all the way around.  less than a half before i said fuck it and just bent it enough to get the rounds out.  if that was a real war and i was counting on that ammo i would have been dead.

and if you do want to get into reloading, go with a dillon 550 or a 650 man... yeah more pricey, but what you get and the additions are well worth it. when i first started i bought a lee just to get going. i shortly said fuck all and went with the dillon...

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    #22158998 - 08/29/15 12:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Shroomslip said:
Old guns do gunk up, but they're not as finely tuned as modern ones. It depends a lot on the modern gun in question though. Like an AK you can basically bury it in sand and shoot 5k rounds out of it without ever cleaning it, and it will still fire.





you can do that with nearly any weapon designed for combat including the AR,
they're designed to be simple, easy enough for the dumbest grunt to deal with
on a battle field

running BP in anything that's gas operated will make it ineffective fast, AR and
AK are both gas operated, blow back and bolt gunsare a different story



I wasn't really debating that (or that the AK is a truck-horse not to be reckoned with) I was just pointing out that it is totally dependent on the firearm in question. Some are designed to deal with all kinds of shit, and some are not at all tolerant of said shit. You'd probably have better results firing BP out of an AK or something, than my Ruger. I can't imagine I'd even get a full magazine empty before FTFs in it.


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    #22159004 - 08/29/15 12:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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and if you do want to get into reloading, go with a dillon 550 or a 650 man... yeah more pricey, but what you get and the additions are well worth it. when i first started i bought a lee just to get going. i shortly said fuck all and went with the dillon...

only thing the lee is good at is necked cases.. anything else goes straight to the blue press



Part of my problem. I do not want to settle for bottom rung "will do the job, but will be a pita" type of equipment. I don't want something super fancy and top of the line, but I'd like something at least a bit sophisticated.


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    #22159007 - 08/29/15 12:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22159017 - 08/29/15 12:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Old guns do gunk up, but they're not as finely tuned as modern ones. It depends a lot on the modern gun in question though. Like an AK you can basically bury it in sand and shoot 5k rounds out of it without ever cleaning it, and it will still fire.





you can do that with nearly any weapon designed for combat including the AR,
they're designed to be simple, easy enough for the dumbest grunt to deal with
on a battle field

running BP in anything that's gas operated will make it ineffective fast, AR and
AK are both gas operated, blow back and bolt gunsare a different story



I wasn't really debating that (or that the AK is a truck-horse not to be reckoned with) I was just pointing out that it is totally dependent on the firearm in question. Some are designed to deal with all kinds of shit, and some are not at all tolerant of said shit. You'd probably have better results firing BP out of an AK or something, than my Ruger. I can't imagine I'd even get a full magazine empty before FTFs in it.





well tossing dirty loads into an AK will gum up the works pretty quick, the gas
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    #22159022 - 08/29/15 12:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

speaking of ar15's and ak47's unlike most other firearms, when i see these types of guns they all look the same to me.  i mean clearly they are different but it just seems like im looking at one big blob of the same shit and its really hard to understand what the differences are.

anyone into those types of guns understand the differences between them, and like what each maker has to offer that the others don't, all the different setups n shit, different rails and benifits.  its all just a blob to me, and i kinda wanted one but i didn't want to jump in and get a shitty one by mistake.  i also notice they come in alot of different calibers.  The 300 blackout kinda looks interesting, i read they come in subsonic which might be good for hunting, big bullet and hopefully not as loud. but there's lots of other cals for them so i dunno whats best

like bushmaster you can get some cheap $600 ones that look really similar to other brands that cost $1300+ and i honestly can't figuer out what the dam differences are.

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    #22159026 - 08/29/15 12:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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really your ruger is that sensitive?



Yeah man :lol: I love, it's my first gun, so of course I'm going to always hold a soft spot for it, but I think it's also a great gun. I am very happy with it overall. But I go to the range and fire a couple of hundred rounds, it means coming home and cleaning it (or at least at some point before the next range trip). I will get FTF constantly after a few hundred rounds. I don't have it to be something that is absolutely dependable and take a bunch of shit and keep firing, it's just a range gun, and an "in case shit happens" gun. If it's clean, it works flawlessly. Once it starts getting really dirty, especially on the feed ramp, it starts getting issues.

I've had people who have been into them for 30+ years try it out, and they agree it's a good gun. Very accurate and really fun to shoot. It just has to be ridiculously babied.

My wife's m9 on the other hand, I doubt I ever even need to clean it. That thing performs flawlessly. I think it's had 1 jam out of 1000 rounds, and it was just a stovepipe.


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    #22159032 - 08/29/15 12:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Shroomslip said:
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Shroomslip said:
Old guns do gunk up, but they're not as finely tuned as modern ones. It depends a lot on the modern gun in question though. Like an AK you can basically bury it in sand and shoot 5k rounds out of it without ever cleaning it, and it will still fire.





you can do that with nearly any weapon designed for combat including the AR,
they're designed to be simple, easy enough for the dumbest grunt to deal with
on a battle field

running BP in anything that's gas operated will make it ineffective fast, AR and
AK are both gas operated, blow back and bolt gunsare a different story



I wasn't really debating that (or that the AK is a truck-horse not to be reckoned with) I was just pointing out that it is totally dependent on the firearm in question. Some are designed to deal with all kinds of shit, and some are not at all tolerant of said shit. You'd probably have better results firing BP out of an AK or something, than my Ruger. I can't imagine I'd even get a full magazine empty before FTFs in it.





well tossing dirty loads into an AK will gum up the works pretty quick, the gas
tube plugs with a few dozen rounds making your ruger the more reliable one with
black powder



I'll bow down to your knowledge on the subject, you've been at this far longer than I have. I can only go by what I know to be true. That my Ruger is highly sensitive to being dirty, and that people routinely don't clean their AKs for thousands of rounds and it's fine.


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    #22159035 - 08/29/15 12:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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speaking of ar15's and ak47's unlike most other firearms, when i see these types of guns they all look the same to me.  i mean clearly they are different but it just seems like im looking at one big blob of the same shit and its really hard to understand what the differences are.

anyone into those types of guns understand the differences between them, and like what each maker has to offer that the others don't, all the different setups n shit, different rails and benifits.  its all just a blob to me, and i kinda wanted one but i didn't want to jump in and get a shitty one by mistake.  i also notice they come in alot of different calibers.  The 300 blackout kinda looks interesting, i read they come in subsonic which might be good for hunting, big bullet and hopefully not as loud. but there's lots of other cals for them so i dunno whats best

like bushmaster you can get some cheap $600 ones that look really similar to other brands that cost $1300+ and i honestly can't figuer out what the dam differences are.

then theirs those ares's ones that you build yourself but those cost just as much as a bushmaster thats already built so what do you gain?



Easiest way to understand it:

AKs are iPhones
ARs are Android.


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    #22159045 - 08/29/15 12:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Easiest way to understand it:

AKs are iPhones
ARs are Android.





i still use a flip phone :facepalm:


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22159050 - 08/29/15 12:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

damn havent really heard that about rugers. dont really know to many people that own them though. the xds or the ppks i really dont ever have to clean, they just work and work and work.

as far as the difference between the ak and and ar.. i suggest the ak any day of the weak.

i cant stand the rattle of the ar's when firing. it drives me nuts and it is on every single one i have ever shot. also if you do buy one stick to the native rounds. like dont buy an ak chambered in 556.


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22159054 - 08/29/15 12:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Shroomslip said:
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makaveli8x8 said:
speaking of ar15's and ak47's unlike most other firearms, when i see these types of guns they all look the same to me.  i mean clearly they are different but it just seems like im looking at one big blob of the same shit and its really hard to understand what the differences are.

anyone into those types of guns understand the differences between them, and like what each maker has to offer that the others don't, all the different setups n shit, different rails and benifits.  its all just a blob to me, and i kinda wanted one but i didn't want to jump in and get a shitty one by mistake.  i also notice they come in alot of different calibers.  The 300 blackout kinda looks interesting, i read they come in subsonic which might be good for hunting, big bullet and hopefully not as loud. but there's lots of other cals for them so i dunno whats best

like bushmaster you can get some cheap $600 ones that look really similar to other brands that cost $1300+ and i honestly can't figuer out what the dam differences are.

then theirs those ares's ones that you build yourself but those cost just as much as a bushmaster thats already built so what do you gain?



Easiest way to understand it:

AKs are iPhones
ARs are Android.





and ruger is Heuwai?


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22159061 - 08/29/15 12:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

the main price difference in thoses is stamped vs milled receiver.

a milled receiver is much stronger, and more pricey.

and the trigger group, which can easily add a couple hundred bucks.


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22159068 - 08/29/15 12:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

makaveli8x8 said:
Quote:

Easiest way to understand it:

AKs are iPhones
ARs are Android.





i still use a flip phone :facepalm:




So a revolver, then? Outdated, but looks way cooler then all this newfangled trash. :wink:

I mean my friends all have smart phones and the lenghts they go trough to avoid damage on it is staggering for someone who has owned a Nokia for 5+ years, plus their batteries always seem to be on the verge of exhaustion while my phone can go more then a week without charging.
Also I have no internet on my phone so I don't take it out of my pocket every five minutes to obsessively check 10 social media sites or something, so in conclusion my phone is super superiour to yours because it doesn't make you a neurotic hipster mess of a person. I know this is all unrelated, y'all, but I wanted to talk with the cool kids even though I know nothing about guns except that you have to point one end to something you want dead IIRC


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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: rackem]
    #22159070 - 08/29/15 12:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Most Rugers are pretty solid. Even for the ones that aren't, they have DAMNED good customer service. I had to send mine in because the slide wasn't locking back on an empty mag, took them like 6 days to get them to fix it and return it to me. And this was even when the day it arrived at their shop, it was a Friday (maybe Saturday) and they had closed. They paid for shipping to them up front, and paid to have it sent back. The only money I spent on the entire ordeal was the gas to drive to a drop off location.
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Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

Shroomslip said:
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makaveli8x8 said:
speaking of ar15's and ak47's unlike most other firearms, when i see these types of guns they all look the same to me.  i mean clearly they are different but it just seems like im looking at one big blob of the same shit and its really hard to understand what the differences are.

anyone into those types of guns understand the differences between them, and like what each maker has to offer that the others don't, all the different setups n shit, different rails and benifits.  its all just a blob to me, and i kinda wanted one but i didn't want to jump in and get a shitty one by mistake.  i also notice they come in alot of different calibers.  The 300 blackout kinda looks interesting, i read they come in subsonic which might be good for hunting, big bullet and hopefully not as loud. but there's lots of other cals for them so i dunno whats best

like bushmaster you can get some cheap $600 ones that look really similar to other brands that cost $1300+ and i honestly can't figuer out what the dam differences are.

then theirs those ares's ones that you build yourself but those cost just as much as a bushmaster thats already built so what do you gain?



Easiest way to understand it:

AKs are iPhones
ARs are Android.





and ruger is Heuwai?



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I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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