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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22158991 - 08/29/15 12:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: Tried Googling to find out the actual ratios. I've seen it mentioned somewhere and want to say that Smokeless was roughly 3x as powerful as Black (but do not just assume this ).
they behave differently, you dont want air space in the case as you do with smokeless, you actually want it tamped a little
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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22158992 - 08/29/15 12:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah, i dont get how they were able to still be mobile. for shits and grins last time i went camping i took one of the 440 round ammo cans with me to see how long it would take to open up with only the can opener.
i didnt even make it all the way around. less than a half before i said fuck it and just bent it enough to get the rounds out. if that was a real war and i was counting on that ammo i would have been dead.
and if you do want to get into reloading, go with a dillon 550 or a 650 man... yeah more pricey, but what you get and the additions are well worth it. when i first started i bought a lee just to get going. i shortly said fuck all and went with the dillon...
only thing the lee is good at is necked cases.. anything else goes straight to the blue press
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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22158998 - 08/29/15 12:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: Old guns do gunk up, but they're not as finely tuned as modern ones. It depends a lot on the modern gun in question though. Like an AK you can basically bury it in sand and shoot 5k rounds out of it without ever cleaning it, and it will still fire.
you can do that with nearly any weapon designed for combat including the AR, they're designed to be simple, easy enough for the dumbest grunt to deal with on a battle field
running BP in anything that's gas operated will make it ineffective fast, AR and AK are both gas operated, blow back and bolt gunsare a different story
I wasn't really debating that (or that the AK is a truck-horse not to be reckoned with) I was just pointing out that it is totally dependent on the firearm in question. Some are designed to deal with all kinds of shit, and some are not at all tolerant of said shit. You'd probably have better results firing BP out of an AK or something, than my Ruger. I can't imagine I'd even get a full magazine empty before FTFs in it.
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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: rackem]
#22159004 - 08/29/15 12:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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rackem said: and if you do want to get into reloading, go with a dillon 550 or a 650 man... yeah more pricey, but what you get and the additions are well worth it. when i first started i bought a lee just to get going. i shortly said fuck all and went with the dillon...
only thing the lee is good at is necked cases.. anything else goes straight to the blue press
Part of my problem. I do not want to settle for bottom rung "will do the job, but will be a pita" type of equipment. I don't want something super fancy and top of the line, but I'd like something at least a bit sophisticated.
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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22159007 - 08/29/15 12:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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really your ruger is that sensitive?
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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22159017 - 08/29/15 12:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: Old guns do gunk up, but they're not as finely tuned as modern ones. It depends a lot on the modern gun in question though. Like an AK you can basically bury it in sand and shoot 5k rounds out of it without ever cleaning it, and it will still fire.
you can do that with nearly any weapon designed for combat including the AR, they're designed to be simple, easy enough for the dumbest grunt to deal with on a battle field
running BP in anything that's gas operated will make it ineffective fast, AR and AK are both gas operated, blow back and bolt gunsare a different story
I wasn't really debating that (or that the AK is a truck-horse not to be reckoned with) I was just pointing out that it is totally dependent on the firearm in question. Some are designed to deal with all kinds of shit, and some are not at all tolerant of said shit. You'd probably have better results firing BP out of an AK or something, than my Ruger. I can't imagine I'd even get a full magazine empty before FTFs in it.
well tossing dirty loads into an AK will gum up the works pretty quick, the gas tube plugs with a few dozen rounds making your ruger the more reliable one with black powder
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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22159022 - 08/29/15 12:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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speaking of ar15's and ak47's unlike most other firearms, when i see these types of guns they all look the same to me. i mean clearly they are different but it just seems like im looking at one big blob of the same shit and its really hard to understand what the differences are.
anyone into those types of guns understand the differences between them, and like what each maker has to offer that the others don't, all the different setups n shit, different rails and benifits. its all just a blob to me, and i kinda wanted one but i didn't want to jump in and get a shitty one by mistake. i also notice they come in alot of different calibers. The 300 blackout kinda looks interesting, i read they come in subsonic which might be good for hunting, big bullet and hopefully not as loud. but there's lots of other cals for them so i dunno whats best
like bushmaster you can get some cheap $600 ones that look really similar to other brands that cost $1300+ and i honestly can't figuer out what the dam differences are.
then theirs those ares's ones that you build yourself but those cost just as much as a bushmaster thats already built so what do you gain?
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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: rackem]
#22159026 - 08/29/15 12:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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rackem said: really your ruger is that sensitive?
Yeah man I love, it's my first gun, so of course I'm going to always hold a soft spot for it, but I think it's also a great gun. I am very happy with it overall. But I go to the range and fire a couple of hundred rounds, it means coming home and cleaning it (or at least at some point before the next range trip). I will get FTF constantly after a few hundred rounds. I don't have it to be something that is absolutely dependable and take a bunch of shit and keep firing, it's just a range gun, and an "in case shit happens" gun. If it's clean, it works flawlessly. Once it starts getting really dirty, especially on the feed ramp, it starts getting issues.
I've had people who have been into them for 30+ years try it out, and they agree it's a good gun. Very accurate and really fun to shoot. It just has to be ridiculously babied.
My wife's m9 on the other hand, I doubt I ever even need to clean it. That thing performs flawlessly. I think it's had 1 jam out of 1000 rounds, and it was just a stovepipe.
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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22159032 - 08/29/15 12:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: Old guns do gunk up, but they're not as finely tuned as modern ones. It depends a lot on the modern gun in question though. Like an AK you can basically bury it in sand and shoot 5k rounds out of it without ever cleaning it, and it will still fire.
you can do that with nearly any weapon designed for combat including the AR, they're designed to be simple, easy enough for the dumbest grunt to deal with on a battle field
running BP in anything that's gas operated will make it ineffective fast, AR and AK are both gas operated, blow back and bolt gunsare a different story
I wasn't really debating that (or that the AK is a truck-horse not to be reckoned with) I was just pointing out that it is totally dependent on the firearm in question. Some are designed to deal with all kinds of shit, and some are not at all tolerant of said shit. You'd probably have better results firing BP out of an AK or something, than my Ruger. I can't imagine I'd even get a full magazine empty before FTFs in it.
well tossing dirty loads into an AK will gum up the works pretty quick, the gas tube plugs with a few dozen rounds making your ruger the more reliable one with black powder
I'll bow down to your knowledge on the subject, you've been at this far longer than I have. I can only go by what I know to be true. That my Ruger is highly sensitive to being dirty, and that people routinely don't clean their AKs for thousands of rounds and it's fine.
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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22159035 - 08/29/15 12:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: speaking of ar15's and ak47's unlike most other firearms, when i see these types of guns they all look the same to me. i mean clearly they are different but it just seems like im looking at one big blob of the same shit and its really hard to understand what the differences are.
anyone into those types of guns understand the differences between them, and like what each maker has to offer that the others don't, all the different setups n shit, different rails and benifits. its all just a blob to me, and i kinda wanted one but i didn't want to jump in and get a shitty one by mistake. i also notice they come in alot of different calibers. The 300 blackout kinda looks interesting, i read they come in subsonic which might be good for hunting, big bullet and hopefully not as loud. but there's lots of other cals for them so i dunno whats best
like bushmaster you can get some cheap $600 ones that look really similar to other brands that cost $1300+ and i honestly can't figuer out what the dam differences are.
then theirs those ares's ones that you build yourself but those cost just as much as a bushmaster thats already built so what do you gain?
Easiest way to understand it:
AKs are iPhones ARs are Android.
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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22159045 - 08/29/15 12:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Easiest way to understand it:
AKs are iPhones ARs are Android.
i still use a flip phone
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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22159050 - 08/29/15 12:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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damn havent really heard that about rugers. dont really know to many people that own them though. the xds or the ppks i really dont ever have to clean, they just work and work and work.
as far as the difference between the ak and and ar.. i suggest the ak any day of the weak.
i cant stand the rattle of the ar's when firing. it drives me nuts and it is on every single one i have ever shot. also if you do buy one stick to the native rounds. like dont buy an ak chambered in 556.
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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22159054 - 08/29/15 12:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: speaking of ar15's and ak47's unlike most other firearms, when i see these types of guns they all look the same to me. i mean clearly they are different but it just seems like im looking at one big blob of the same shit and its really hard to understand what the differences are.
anyone into those types of guns understand the differences between them, and like what each maker has to offer that the others don't, all the different setups n shit, different rails and benifits. its all just a blob to me, and i kinda wanted one but i didn't want to jump in and get a shitty one by mistake. i also notice they come in alot of different calibers. The 300 blackout kinda looks interesting, i read they come in subsonic which might be good for hunting, big bullet and hopefully not as loud. but there's lots of other cals for them so i dunno whats best
like bushmaster you can get some cheap $600 ones that look really similar to other brands that cost $1300+ and i honestly can't figuer out what the dam differences are.
then theirs those ares's ones that you build yourself but those cost just as much as a bushmaster thats already built so what do you gain?
Easiest way to understand it:
AKs are iPhones ARs are Android.
and ruger is Heuwai?
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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22159061 - 08/29/15 12:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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the main price difference in thoses is stamped vs milled receiver.
a milled receiver is much stronger, and more pricey.
and the trigger group, which can easily add a couple hundred bucks.
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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22159068 - 08/29/15 12:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Easiest way to understand it:
AKs are iPhones ARs are Android.
i still use a flip phone 
So a revolver, then? Outdated, but looks way cooler then all this newfangled trash. 
I mean my friends all have smart phones and the lenghts they go trough to avoid damage on it is staggering for someone who has owned a Nokia for 5+ years, plus their batteries always seem to be on the verge of exhaustion while my phone can go more then a week without charging. Also I have no internet on my phone so I don't take it out of my pocket every five minutes to obsessively check 10 social media sites or something, so in conclusion my phone is super superiour to yours because it doesn't make you a neurotic hipster mess of a person. I know this is all unrelated, y'all, but I wanted to talk with the cool kids even though I know nothing about guns except that you have to point one end to something you want dead IIRC
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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: rackem]
#22159070 - 08/29/15 12:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Most Rugers are pretty solid. Even for the ones that aren't, they have DAMNED good customer service. I had to send mine in because the slide wasn't locking back on an empty mag, took them like 6 days to get them to fix it and return it to me. And this was even when the day it arrived at their shop, it was a Friday (maybe Saturday) and they had closed. They paid for shipping to them up front, and paid to have it sent back. The only money I spent on the entire ordeal was the gas to drive to a drop off location.Quote:
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makaveli8x8 said: speaking of ar15's and ak47's unlike most other firearms, when i see these types of guns they all look the same to me. i mean clearly they are different but it just seems like im looking at one big blob of the same shit and its really hard to understand what the differences are.
anyone into those types of guns understand the differences between them, and like what each maker has to offer that the others don't, all the different setups n shit, different rails and benifits. its all just a blob to me, and i kinda wanted one but i didn't want to jump in and get a shitty one by mistake. i also notice they come in alot of different calibers. The 300 blackout kinda looks interesting, i read they come in subsonic which might be good for hunting, big bullet and hopefully not as loud. but there's lots of other cals for them so i dunno whats best
like bushmaster you can get some cheap $600 ones that look really similar to other brands that cost $1300+ and i honestly can't figuer out what the dam differences are.
then theirs those ares's ones that you build yourself but those cost just as much as a bushmaster thats already built so what do you gain?
Easiest way to understand it:
AKs are iPhones ARs are Android.
and ruger is Heuwai?
Taurus is Cricket.
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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way. I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today. Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear. I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear. You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline
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