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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22158675 - 08/28/15 10:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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hell even 50 would be cheap..
round here its 75 for the 550 feds.. fuckign ridiculous.
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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: rackem]
#22158685 - 08/28/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's fucked
I can't really justify shooting 22 for more than 30 a brick. Past that I'd rather shoot 9mm.
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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: luvdemboomers]
#22158695 - 08/28/15 10:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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it really is...
i reload everything i shoot minus shotguns and 22 so ammo really isnt a big deal.. but its still fun to go out to the desert and outshoot a 22 hit things at stupid distance just cause. but at that price the fun just isnt there
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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: rackem]
#22158706 - 08/28/15 10:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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you'd think the chinese would step in and make us some super cheap ammo because its tainted with lead and the sweat of children
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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22158710 - 08/28/15 10:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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im waiting.. they have done it with everything else..
although i think mexico is starting to fill the void with the canadian knockoff of the cci aptly dubbed ci
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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22158711 - 08/28/15 10:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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i think the problem would be shipping. although they don't pay (much if anything) to ship to USA, i doubt that would be the same for ammo considering the HAZ MAT.
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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: SurReality]
#22158715 - 08/28/15 10:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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i hate that charge. specially on powder.
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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: rackem]
#22158772 - 08/28/15 10:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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someone should liek find a way to make gun powder or something
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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22158784 - 08/28/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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its pretty hard, you're better of getting a black powder gun and making black powder. unless you have lots of money and which point you might as well just buy ammo lol
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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22158796 - 08/28/15 11:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Black powder is easy. The powder used in modern guns, not so much. They are not interchangeable. You can use black powder on modern guns, but things are going to get gunked up fast.
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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22158829 - 08/28/15 11:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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well most modern guns don't take cartridges that will hold enough bp for it to be very effective.
you'd have to use 45 colt or 44 magnums, maybe some others.
(also wouldn't old guns gunk up too from bp?)
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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: SurReality]
#22158881 - 08/28/15 11:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Old guns do gunk up, but they're not as finely tuned as modern ones. It depends a lot on the modern gun in question though. Like an AK you can basically bury it in sand and shoot 5k rounds out of it without ever cleaning it, and it will still fire. My Ruger on the other hand, starts getting FTFs after a few hundred rounds and babying. There's also the fact that modern bullets are more closely sized proportionally to the barrel than old guns were. Get the barrel gunked up enough, the slug may never even leave the barrel.
Effectiveness is determined by what you plan to do with it. For target shooting, BP will probably work for most decent sized calibers. You're just not going to get as high energy.
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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22158914 - 08/28/15 11:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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i dont know if i would trust bp in a modern weapon. a cannon sure.. i havent found any reload data with bp on any modern calibers i reload.
how many grains would one start off at? im a little to old to be a guinea pig.
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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: rackem]
#22158928 - 08/28/15 11:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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a good place to start is to burn equal amounts of each powder and determine how much heat each one produces. then you can extrapolate an idea of how much bp it takes to match smokeless modern powders. im going to go out on a limb and say since someone mentioned not being able to fit enough into the shells, that you would basically just match what you would use in smokeless at the top end. you don't want to go over that tho for fear of the shell exploding for some odd reason like not enough space in the shell or something.
so other than that i imagine the worst that would happen is the bullet wouldn't leave the gun, which isn't dangerous until you fire the next shot. but my gut tells me the bullet will have plenty of power to leave the gun, just not enough to be accurate at long ranges. im going to guess you would be somewhere in muzzleloader for range accuracy, maybe a bit further since design is a bit different
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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: rackem]
#22158934 - 08/28/15 11:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I dunno and I wouldn't really trust it either. I'm not saying it's a good idea, but I don't see any reason it shouldn't work. If only for just a couple of rounds. Confine a black powder explosion you get the same things that power the slug down the barrel with modern gun powder. It's considerably weaker though so velocity is going to be lessened to a great extent. It would make hunting or self defense pretty much impossible (my assumption anyways).
Black powder is dirty as hell though and modern firearms are built around tolerances that only modern gun powder provides. So it's definitely not a long term solution.
Really it's probably vastly more dangerous to try modern gun powder in a black powder rifle, than the other way around. Because those aren't built to withstand the pressures of modern powder. I'd be willing to go out on a limb and say you're just holding a fancy pipe bomb.
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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22158939 - 08/29/15 12:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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thats doesnt sound like a bad place to start. however, the variance in pressures would be a concern (although i am pretty sure modern smokless powder has a higher pressures than black powder)
i may load some 45 colts and see what happens. if i do ill def let you know how it goes
and yeah i have fired projectiles into the barrel by way of primer only.. its not fun.
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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: rackem]
#22158950 - 08/29/15 12:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Tried Googling to find out the actual ratios. I've seen it mentioned somewhere and want to say that Smokeless was roughly 3x as powerful as Black (but do not just assume this ). Did learn something I didn't know though, which actually seems kinda counter intuitive. Black powder burns faster than smokeless. The reason for the smoke of BP is that it's burning too fast to fully combust the materials (or come close to it) smokeless, being slower burning, combusts more of the mass of material present.
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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22158964 - 08/29/15 12:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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well that is interesting.
i also like seeing the different ways that smokeless powder is produced, some are flaky some look like pellets some granular.
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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: rackem]
#22158983 - 08/29/15 12:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I haven't gotten into reloading yet. I want to, but the setup isn't exactly cheap. I've been saving all my brass though, so I'm ready to start whenever I can get to it. I think I have probably 1-2k casings in good shape of 9mm and .45. I also have another 1k of each that is yet to be fired (goddamn an ammo can with 1000 rounds of .45 is fucking heavy! How did soldiers run through battlefields with shit like that?!) so there's another 1-2k casings depending on how well I'm able to collect them (usually about a 80% success rate though).
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Re: Wal-Mart to stop selling AR-15s and similar weapons in U.S. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22158984 - 08/29/15 12:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Shroomslip said: Old guns do gunk up, but they're not as finely tuned as modern ones. It depends a lot on the modern gun in question though. Like an AK you can basically bury it in sand and shoot 5k rounds out of it without ever cleaning it, and it will still fire.
you can do that with nearly any weapon designed for combat including the AR, they're designed to be simple, easy enough for the dumbest grunt to deal with on a battle field
running BP in anything that's gas operated will make it ineffective fast, AR and AK are both gas operated, blow back and bolt gunsare a different story
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