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Jim Morrison
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Results from Sawdust vs Straw
#22149889 - 08/27/15 04:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I just did a grow of pink oysters, with some on straw and some on PFP. Maybe it's just me but it seems like the ones on the straw are doing much better. Is that typical? The straw seem to produce faster with bigger flushes. Anyone else notice this, or am I imagining things? This concerns me a bit, because I am about to try to grow king oyster, and it is so much easier for me to do the sawdust than the straw.
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Re: Results from Sawdust vs Straw [Re: Jim Morrison]
#22149928 - 08/27/15 05:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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We have very good results with sterilised supplemented hardwood sawdust (40% bran) with yields from 20-30% on the first flush...
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Re: Results from Sawdust vs Straw [Re: mcchieftan]
#22149959 - 08/27/15 05:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Maybe it's because I only pasteurize, so I don't supplement.
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Re: Results from Sawdust vs Straw [Re: Jim Morrison]
#22149964 - 08/27/15 05:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The information I encountered when I was choosing substrate and species led me to believe that unsupplemented sawdust often leads to slow colonization and poor yields..
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Re: Results from Sawdust vs Straw [Re: mcchieftan]
#22149996 - 08/27/15 06:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have king oyster spawn coming and I'll do 2 bags on straw and 2 on unsuplemented sawdust. We'll see what happens.
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Re: Results from Sawdust vs Straw [Re: Jim Morrison]
#22150120 - 08/27/15 07:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pinks do not do so well on sawdust. I mean they yield fine but take for fucking ever compared to straw. Kings do better on sawdust so rest easy.
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Re: Results from Sawdust vs Straw [Re: drake89]
#22150372 - 08/27/15 08:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks for the info!
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Re: Results from Sawdust vs Straw [Re: Jim Morrison]
#22152421 - 08/27/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you add the supplement to your spawn instead of your bulk sub, you can get away with just pasteurizing your substrate.
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Re: Results from Sawdust vs Straw [Re: natedawgnow]
#22153069 - 08/27/15 06:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Except that I don't make my own spawn.
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Re: Results from Sawdust vs Straw [Re: Jim Morrison]
#22153716 - 08/27/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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OK. Received my king oyster spawn and made up 2 bags with sawdust and 2 bags with straw. The spawn looked like it could have colonized a bit more before use, but I think it should be ok.
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Re: Results from Sawdust vs Straw [Re: Jim Morrison]
#22159210 - 08/29/15 02:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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pinks:kings = apples:oranges
Pinks like past straw Kings like sterile supplemented sawdust
Each will grow on the other but poorly.
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Re: Results from Sawdust vs Straw [Re: solarity]
#22163159 - 08/30/15 12:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Any experience with pinks on wood mulch or chips? Im about to make some pails next week. I've been using it with good results with blue and Phoenix oysters.
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Re: Results from Sawdust vs Straw [Re: Gr0wer]
#22163420 - 08/30/15 04:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gr0wer said: Any experience with pinks on wood mulch or chips? Im about to make some pails next week. I've been using it with good results with blue and Phoenix oysters.
I don't have a lot of experience. This is my first try with oysters on wood. I used Lipa's tech, because it's so easy. But I have noticed, that my pink oysters on straw grow much faster. Also noticed that the fungus gnats don't seem to bother the oysters on wood as much. That might be because the plastic bag is tighter against the substrate, and they have a hard time getting in.
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Re: Results from Sawdust vs Straw [Re: Jim Morrison]
#22163492 - 08/30/15 05:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here are the pinks that I just harvested. The one on the lower left is a straw bag. They were all started about the same time. As you can see, it is a little bigger, and grew faster.
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Re: Results from Sawdust vs Straw [Re: Jim Morrison]
#22164630 - 08/30/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hi, I grow pinks on supplemented hardwood. Just add lots of bran, some chaff/straw, and little bit of soy meal and gypsum. I harvest about 1 kg of GOOD LOOKING mushrooms from 3 blocks of 2 kg each on average (wet weight of block before first flush).
Fruiting from small holes like you guys do yields less. You need to strip most of the bag for sawdust blocks. Just cut the upper half off, you will see that more fresh air in contact with mycelium increases yield dramatically. I've had blocks giving me around 1 kg in total over the life of the block. Some kits sold 2 months ago still fruit at my mate's place who picked another 100 g just this week end.
that's after failing miserably for a while with crap strains too, but yours look allright. I have VDE1 from Aloha and another one unkown source, but seemingly better. Good luck. By the way, my pinks often harvest first flush just 2 weeks after spawning and often they will pin before full colonisation.
not really impressed with Aloha by the way, even got a culture of polytricha June paid a fortune that doesn't fruit :/
Edited by Ubuntu (08/30/15 12:34 PM)
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Re: Results from Sawdust vs Straw [Re: Ubuntu]
#22165265 - 08/30/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ubuntu said: VDE1 from Aloha
A good epithet from aloha. those strains are mostly from mycelia.be
not really impressed with Aloha by the way, even got a culture of polytricha June paid a fortune that doesn't fruit :/
that sucks, i bet if you tell them they will give you another strain. or better yet, they started offering 12 packs of grain master jars. for running trials with different strains.
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Re: Results from Sawdust vs Straw [Re: drake89]
#22165522 - 08/30/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pinks on pasteurised straw.
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Re: Results from Sawdust vs Straw [Re: solarity]
#22165898 - 08/30/15 06:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ubuntu said: Hi, I grow pinks on supplemented hardwood. Just add lots of bran, some chaff/straw, and little bit of soy meal and gypsum. I harvest about 1 kg of GOOD LOOKING mushrooms from 3 blocks of 2 kg each on average (wet weight of block before first flush).
Fruiting from small holes like you guys do yields less. You need to strip most of the bag for sawdust blocks. Just cut the upper half off, you will see that more fresh air in contact with mycelium increases yield dramatically. I've had blocks giving me around 1 kg in total over the life of the block. Some kits sold 2 months ago still fruit at my mate's place who picked another 100 g just this week end.
that's after failing miserably for a while with crap strains too, but yours look allright. I have VDE1 from Aloha and another one unkown source, but seemingly better. Good luck. By the way, my pinks often harvest first flush just 2 weeks after spawning and often they will pin before full colonisation.
not really impressed with Aloha by the way, even got a culture of polytricha June paid a fortune that doesn't fruit :/
Hmmm...I can't supplement because I have no PC, but I might try cutting the top off the bag and laying on it's side. Nothing to lose really.
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solarity said: Pinks on pasteurised straw.

Very nice, solarity! I know the pinks I had on straw did really well, till the fungus gnats found them. Then they still did ok, just a little slower and less yield. Not a major infestation.
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Re: Results from Sawdust vs Straw [Re: solarity]
#22166944 - 08/30/15 09:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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solarity said: Pinks on pasteurised straw.

woo! makes me miss em....
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