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Re: 80x salvia...1st time ever..... .25 grams...IM SO FUCKING SORRY!....AAHHHGGGGAAA! [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22150177 - 08/27/15 07:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Just be happy it wasn't like this






.... saw that video a long time ago! Lol. I should have watched some videos to refresh me on the powerful impact of this substance! Funny though, after watching that video, I sort of understand what that dude was experiencing and why he would act such a way. Gnosis brings deeper understanding one way or another. :-):mindexpanding:


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Re: 80x salvia...1st time ever..... .25 grams...IM SO FUCKING SORRY!....AAHHHGGGGAAA! [Re: Achillita]
    #22150196 - 08/27/15 07:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I avoid salvia -extracts as the plain leaves make me trip. One bowl of ground leave is enough to rip my senses of time and space appart, at least for a minute or two.

I know these sensations of beeing pulled or twisted into a spiral. I also understand this feeling of multiple dimensions, overlapping themselves in or beeing revealed by this spiral -twist. :smile:
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IMO, the mass selling of extracts is what caused much of the reason it has been banned in so many states. All of my salvia trips were purely amazing. On one of the more fun trips, I shot out of earth into space and started to bounce off of each of the planets. until I reached pluto and got sucked back into my body. I was just smiling after that too.

Salvia is awesome, but you just have to respect it. Start low and not be stupid with your dose. With any psych, you just gotta find that sweet spot.

Honestly, every person I've given salvia to(and at the right dose) has loved the experience.





.... I gotta say that the concentrate stuff is kind of ridiculously strong to just be selling out of head shops.... I mean for f*** sake dude I'm an experienced tripper I can imagine what that would do to somebody that was a noob! I felt like a helpless child lost forever in Oblivion as I had somehow slipped between the cracks of reality!

  How the f*** does some 18 year old kid integrate that?....yeah...plain leaf


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Re: 80x salvia...1st time ever..... .25 grams...IM SO FUCKING SORRY!....AAHHHGGGGAAA! [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #22150225 - 08/27/15 08:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I fucking hate salvia. It just throws you into a disorientating horrible head space ime. If I wanna go that far I'll just smoke dmt and have an enlightened trip. It really is a drug I dislike



:whathesaid:....I don't like anything that brings inanimate objects to life ...I consider it a deleriant more than a psychedelic...just no good head space for me at all...only confusion.


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Re: 80x salvia...1st time ever..... .25 grams...IM SO FUCKING SORRY!....AAHHHGGGGAAA! [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #22150267 - 08/27/15 08:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I fucking hate salvia. It just throws you into a disorientating horrible head space ime. If I wanna go that far I'll just smoke dmt and have an enlightened trip. It really is a drug I dislike



:whathesaid:....I don't like anything that brings inanimate objects to life ...I consider it a deleriant more than a psychedelic...just no good head space for me at all...only confusion.




....yeah,  I was delirious. ...had no idea where I was...:wizardfail:


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Re: 80x salvia...1st time ever..... .25 grams...IM SO FUCKING SORRY!....AAHHHGGGGAAA! [Re: voodoochild1000] * 1
    #22151146 - 08/27/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I tried that 80x years ago with two friends.o e of them thought he died.

He fell over onto my floor and didn't move for a bit. Then he slowly got up and looked over at us and in a very nervous voice says "guys I thought I died."

Another time I smoked some plain homegrown leaf with some herb inside by a mellow fire. Had some very beautiful closed eye visions of abstract nature art and scenery from jungles and forests. It was great.

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Re: 80x salvia...1st time ever..... .25 grams...IM SO FUCKING SORRY!....AAHHHGGGGAAA! [Re: voodoochild1000] * 1
    #22151957 - 08/27/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hyperspace welcomes you - and totally fucks your shit up in the process.  Maybe a bit too much. 



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Re: 80x salvia...1st time ever..... .25 grams...IM SO FUCKING SORRY!....AAHHHGGGGAAA! [Re: voodoochild1000] * 1
    #22153014 - 08/27/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

OMG voodoochild, I'm glad you're back in one piece, somersaulting into tables wtf?

I have to admit that what you did was classic. Like many others before you, you have found THE way to do it wrong. Too strong, too much, and ill prepared. These things are what makes people hate salvia. Be glad you didn't hurt yourself even worse.

I did have a few good laughs with your report though, since some of it was recognizable. The one time (so far) that I went bad on salvia I remember turning 2 dimensional too. You say being stuck between the pages of a book. I think this is what time is like on salvia: a series of discrete 2 dimensional screenshots that fly by at incredible speed. Time's normal continuity makes place for these discrete pages of .. a book of existence. Does that make sense?

What surprised me in your story was that it seemed as if you didn't actually lose your sense of self. I remember completely forgetting A:who I was, B:that I ever was someone, C: that anybody ever was anyone, D:etc, etc...

Anyway, as I've written elsewhere, I do still love Lady S. I just stick to 5x extract, sometimes a little 10x, more than strong enough. The more respect I showed her, the better she treated me. Calmness, silence, darkness, sensory deprivation, meditation, even prayer, these are the things that make her happy.

For reference: 50mg of 5x does nothing to me, between 75 and 100mg a light trip, around 125mg I have what I call half-OBE's. That is when your head, arms, and torso go out of body, but your legs and buttocks remain on the couch. I find this to be very pleasant. 150mg makes me trip as hard as I usually want. Beyond 200 or 250mg it starts to be unpleasant. More dissociation, less psychedelics. I'm not sure I can extrapolate this curve. There may be an "island" of psychedelics further up the dose curve. I'm just not comfortable going there...

One day I should make a journal page or something, and create a place where I put all my tips on salvia together with some informative trip reports.

Hope you want to try it again some other time, just be little more careful

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Re: 80x salvia...1st time ever..... .25 grams...IM SO FUCKING SORRY!....AAHHHGGGGAAA! [Re: Hanz]
    #22154283 - 08/27/15 10:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The last time I smoked saliva, probably almost 4 years ago,I did a sub dose. As I lay back on my buddy's bed I could feel myself sinking into it, but I stopped about halfway in.  Not sure what exactly was happening, I tried pulling my head up off the pillow and I had the whole salvia super gravity happen and it was difficult lifting my head.  I looked across the room at my friends and I didn't know who they were or how I knew them or how I got into that particular situation.  This didn't bother me at all, having had some drug experience prior, so I just lay back, closed my eyes and tried to enjoy the Boards of Canada that I'd put on for the trip (Dayvan Cowboy).  I love BoC sober, but during that trip it sounded very abrasive and I didn't enjoy it like I thought I would.

I may get interested enough to experiment with saliva again, but who knows.  one of my buddies who was there that same night absolutely loves salvia, but won't even smoke bud or do any psychedelics.  Big thing I've learned throughout my psychonautic adventures is that everyone is different. :thumbup:


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Re: 80x salvia...1st time ever..... .25 grams...IM SO FUCKING SORRY!....AAHHHGGGGAAA! [Re: pureenergy13]
    #22154965 - 08/28/15 05:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yea the one time I tried it I spent the day freaking myself out with trip reports. I was chewing a quid and must have had a panic attack I managed to convince myself that it was workimg and I was sent to a parallel dimension before I spit it out :rofl:

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Re: 80x salvia...1st time ever..... .25 grams...IM SO FUCKING SORRY!....AAHHHGGGGAAA! [Re: mushpunx]
    #22155258 - 08/28/15 07:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yea salvia extract is weird af smoked 30x a couple times 5-6 years ago and once more recently .its really hit or miss ime but when you get it for real it just rape you out of no where .The body high and the confusion is just not comparable to anything

Every time in the trip I'm like wtf Am I doing here again? how did I got out last time?? Huge déjà vue feeling everytime I return. It's like a nightmare you're visiting again but don't remember the end of the story. I always feel like I need to do something the get out  , like my arms being a contraption ,like a key and if I twist them in a certain way it unlocks reality .but it's so hard and my arms don't even feels like arms and is so more complicated when you're in it rofl

Really fuck up shit, but it's really a unique experience but I'll stick to plain leaf now on .It really sucks tho that possession and cultivation gonna be illegal in 2016 in Canada I'm seriously mad af :mad2:


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Re: 80x salvia...1st time ever..... .25 grams...IM SO FUCKING SORRY!....AAHHHGGGGAAA! [Re: Jean-guy Masta]
    #22155265 - 08/28/15 07:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Either stock up, or get a plant. I have my own salvia plant(as the plants are legal, but not dried leaves) and quite enjoy growing it.


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Re: 80x salvia...1st time ever..... .25 grams...IM SO FUCKING SORRY!....AAHHHGGGGAAA! [Re: Achillita]
    #22155285 - 08/28/15 08:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yea already have a couple plants in my front yard were they don't get lots of direct sun, they grow so well outdoor :yesnod: just mad because it's gonna be criminal to do so next year , just sounds stupid to me


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Re: 80x salvia...1st time ever..... .25 grams...IM SO FUCKING SORRY!....AAHHHGGGGAAA! [Re: Jean-guy Masta]
    #22155296 - 08/28/15 08:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Salvia plants are so un incriminating though. All you have to say is that it's a sage plant, and no one will question you. If they ask why(you can say it's a decoraton sage), just say it makes blooms pretty flowers.

They just don't really stand out too much.


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Re: 80x salvia...1st time ever..... .25 grams...IM SO FUCKING SORRY!....AAHHHGGGGAAA! [Re: Achillita] * 1
    #22155588 - 08/28/15 09:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yea true, definitly more subtile then let's say weed lol,

I'm not worrying or nothing it's really just the principle.a grown man can jump out of air plane, but he can't smoke salvia . And imo parachuting is probably more dangerous and addictive:rolleyes:


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Re: 80x salvia...1st time ever..... .25 grams...IM SO FUCKING SORRY!....AAHHHGGGGAAA! [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #22155745 - 08/28/15 10:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Hyperspace welcomes you - and totally fucks your shit up in the process.  Maybe a bit too much. 







....can I enter hyperspace with another substance that doesn't make me feel so physically impared.?....that really was kinda horrible....but probably the most bizarre thing I have ever experienced. ...

.....I Love mushrooms!.....can high dose mushrooms do this to u?...I don't ever want to go back to that place. ....str8 overdose! Tell me that only salvia can do this to u.....I love mushrooms and good L....:awethumb:


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Re: 80x salvia...1st time ever..... .25 grams...IM SO FUCKING SORRY!....AAHHHGGGGAAA! [Re: Hanz]
    #22155910 - 08/28/15 10:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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OMG voodoochild, I'm glad you're back in one piece, somersaulting into tables wtf?

I have to admit that what you did was classic. Like many others before you, you have found THE way to do it wrong. Too strong, too much, and ill prepared. These things are what makes people hate salvia. Be glad you didn't hurt yourself even worse.

I did have a few good laughs with your report though, since some of it was recognizable. The one time (so far) that I went bad on salvia I remember turning 2 dimensional too. You say being stuck between the pages of a book. I think this is what time is like on salvia: a series of discrete 2 dimensional screenshots that fly by at incredible speed. Time's normal continuity makes place for these discrete pages of .. a book of existence. Does that make sense?

What surprised me in your story was that it seemed as if you didn't actually lose your sense of self. I remember completely forgetting A:who I was, B:that I ever was someone, C: that anybody ever was anyone, D:etc, etc...

Anyway, as I've written elsewhere, I do still love Lady S. I just stick to 5x extract, sometimes a little 10x, more than strong enough. The more respect I showed her, the better she treated me. Calmness, silence, darkness, sensory deprivation, meditation, even prayer, these are the things that make her happy.

For reference: 50mg of 5x does nothing to me, between 75 and 100mg a light trip, around 125mg I have what I call half-OBE's. That is when your head, arms, and torso go out of body, but your legs and buttocks remain on the couch. I find this to be very pleasant. 150mg makes me trip as hard as I usually want. Beyond 200 or 250mg it starts to be unpleasant. More dissociation, less psychedelics. I'm not sure I can extrapolate this curve. There may be an "island" of psychedelics further up the dose curve. I'm just not comfortable going there...

One day I should make a journal page or something, and create a place where I put all my tips on salvia together with some informative trip reports.

Hope you want to try it again some other time, just be little more careful

Love, Hanz.





....that was my feeling exactly..... I absolutely was convinced that I had somehow slipped between the shifting moments of time and was caught in between. I was so terrified... I mean was I terrified? I couldn't comprehend anything! I have never experienced anything even close to that and I believe it's an experience that our mental faculties are unable to comprehend in any way shape or form.

.. my friend came over yesterday morning and we very carefully smoke some more! Part of me was scared but needed to feel it a little bit again to remember. We just sprinkled a tiny amount on a bowl and had a couple other small amounts to keep working up to an adequate effective dose. I smoked three boneheads with a small amount on each one and began to feel that physical sensation as though the right half of my body was being pulled down the wormhole or into oblivion for beginning to shift from this moment in time to another moment in time! The physical sensation is unbelievable and I have never felt such a strong physical sensation from taking a substance and that was totally totally new to me! I mean I get some interesting tactile and sensory things on mushrooms and LSD but nothing compared to this!

... I still up in the midst of it and was really connecting with my hardcore experience last night and obviously much slider physical sensation but one that reminded me of the overwhelming experience the previous day! I got very emotional with a few tears as I recounted how time and space literally folded me up like some cardboard box. I was going into fetal positions preparing for myself to be crushed to death! I remember going into the fetal position and just preparing to die I guess! And these moments where it folded on me and I would look down and I couldn't see my legs or my arms because they were protruding through the wall that had folded over on top of me.

... I could sense all of the infinite layers of time like someone humming the pages on a long paperback novel. And each one was smashing reality down on top of me again and again. At some point I heard voices and felt like I was on the floor of some cosmic barn! As though there was some intergalactic space shifting time travelers and someone was asking what's wrong with that guy? And another one saying something about how he's learning and he'll be ok but time is smashing him pretty good right now! I had a very distinct visual of rows in a field. In my recollection I feel as though the Rows that I was seeing was just another visual indicator of the infinite two-dimensional layers of time passing through me.

... I went over it with my buddy again and it seems as though there was maybe a 2 minutes At the beginning where I remained on the couch. Then I fell off the couch and lay face down on the floor for about another 60 seconds. I really have no recollection whatsoever of any of that. At about the 2 minute point is when I tried to stand up and I immediately fell back down. What ensued was four to five minutes of absolute madness. I pulled the curtains down... my buddy said he thought I was going to literally smash through the sliding glass door then I fell into the corner by the TV at which point he came over and tried to hold on to me as I tried desperately to get my footing. I spiraled  and we both went to the ground. I have no recollection of him being there or trying to grab on to me. Thinking back on it I could sense the colors and textures of the room that I was in but it was all folding in on top of me and tilting wildly and gravity was throwing me into the corner where I had no choice but to go into a fetal position and wait for my imminent death.. .. I think I was trying to force myself to stand on my feet and get my bearings but I had no bearings whatsoever and just continued to get thrown into corners. The physical sensation of spinning wheels absolutely u******** real! I've had the stains from drinking too much but this is next level! Horrible! Completely completely out of control.

... I guess I got to my feet and made my way into the kitchen and leaned on the counter staring at the cabinets for maybe 30 seconds at which point I suddenly spin around and did a frontward summer so right into my dining table. Then I was riding around on the ground and cut my back on some glass that was on the ground. I somehow fell back into the living room area and this was the point where I could see the hand with the bong in the middle of my vision and shortly thereafter I could actually see my friends hand and that's when I desperately desperately grasp onto him thinking that this is the only way out or at least someone else will have to be here with me to experience this and help me understand,

..... I'm not sure if I've ever felt so totally alone!

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Re: 80x salvia...1st time ever..... .25 grams...IM SO FUCKING SORRY!....AAHHHGGGGAAA! [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #22155926 - 08/28/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Salvia is it's own feel, although shrooms can give you hyperspace, but it's said to be more DMT like. Salvia hyperspace is a unique thing.

I urge you to try salvia again, but with a reasonable dose. I'd like to see what your thoughts are of it when you don't take ridiculous amounts.

And man, you get injured a lot on psychedelics.


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Re: 80x salvia...1st time ever..... .25 grams...IM SO FUCKING SORRY!....AAHHHGGGGAAA! [Re: Achillita]
    #22156010 - 08/28/15 11:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Salvia is it's own feel, although shrooms can give you hyperspace, but it's said to be more DMT like. Salvia hyperspace is a unique thing.

I urge you to try salvia again, but with a reasonable dose. I'd like to see what your thoughts are of it when you don't take ridiculous amounts.

And man, you get injured a lot on psychedelics.





....I get injured? or people on psychs get injured?....

...I have been relatively injury free....thankfully. .... kind of my worst fear for wilderness excursions is that myself or someone else manages to injure themselves seriously. We try to stay put until we're really in it and feeling awesome and then it seems as though I'm invincible.

Achillita. ...bro.....this experience really ripped me a new a******! I've always said I want to go as far as I can and come back but I went pretty far and came back but don't want to do that again! There was really no experience other than pure fear and helplessness! But I am going to be very sure not to OD anymore! I thought about what you said yesterday and the dosage amounts and I realized that it probably would be impossible to get to that level by smoking plain leaf.... you would be too high to continue smoking enough material to get to the level I was at.

.. I feel like I completely disrespected the plant and I disrespected myself by not adhering to my natural plants mantra! Also I will do some high quality L if that's what it truly is! Other than that...plants only! I feel like what music lover said. I totally disrespected the plant by smoking some crappy extract that was made for profit by some human beings! The natural plant would have treated me much kinder and giving itself to me in a much softer workable manner!

... like I said we smoked the rest of it yesterday morning and I gently worked into it and experienced much lighter form of the experience. It was ok but honestly I just don't think it's my thing personally! Although my experience and my feelings are totally askew due to the fact that I'm basing this on smoking some ridiculous 80X concentrate! So I can't honestly say what it's like to just smoke playing salvia. Also I have to agree that I think it's pretty unsafe to sell something this strong too unexperienced and unsuspecting kids! I don't want my kids smoking this s***!

.... honestly I feel pretty dumb! I shouldn't be smoking some crappy corporate concentrate from a head shop to begin with! I don't know what I was thinking! I also felt as though all of it including the mellow dose didn't offer me any epiphanies or clear learning situations like I get on mushrooms or good LSD.

...in the end I just felt kinda empty. ... although I have to say the one thing I did learn from this gnosis was not to overdose and to respect substances to the very max! :-):bigyesnod:


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Re: 80x salvia...1st time ever..... .25 grams...IM SO FUCKING SORRY!....AAHHHGGGGAAA! [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #22156140 - 08/28/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Salvia is an amazing teacher, but not in the way other psychedelics are. It'll either scare you senseless and make you glad to be sober, or it'll show you lessons or things you never ever considered.

Like I've felt the feelings of trees, became a book. It sounds strange, but it shows you other perspectives like I've ever experienced. Things that I haven't even considered since I was a kid.

Plain leaf is definitely the way to go though. I'd love to send you some, but it's illegal in my state, so postal service is a no go.(Just don't tell anyone :wink:)

Also, if you ever get your hands on some plain leaf, mixing a tiny bit(like only enough for threshold effects) with bud increases the high by so much. Not something to do everyday, but definitely worth a try. It's honestly the highest I had ever gotten. It could help you ease back into salvia, without experiencing any actual "trip".

Yo get injured a lot on psyches. I think I've read 2 or 3 different stories(including this one) of something happening. Just try and be safe man :hug:


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Re: 80x salvia...1st time ever..... .25 grams...IM SO FUCKING SORRY!....AAHHHGGGGAAA! [Re: Achillita]
    #22156173 - 08/28/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Achillita said:
Salvia is an amazing teacher, but not in the way other psychedelics are. It'll either scare you senseless and make you glad to be sober, or it'll show you lessons or things you never ever considered.

Like I've felt the feelings of trees, became a book. It sounds strange, but it shows you other perspectives like I've ever experienced. Things that I haven't even considered since I was a kid.

Plain leaf is definitely the way to go though. I'd love to send you some, but it's illegal in my state, so postal service is a no go.(Just don't tell anyone :wink:)

Also, if you ever get your hands on some plain leaf, mixing a tiny bit(like only enough for threshold effects) with bud increases the high by so much. Not something to do everyday, but definitely worth a try. It's honestly the highest I had ever gotten. It could help you ease back into salvia, without experiencing any actual "trip".

Yo get injured a lot on psyches. I think I've read 2 or 3 different stories(including this one) of something happening. Just try and be safe man :hug:




....thank you Broski!....I'll b safe!:inlove3:


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....."So Great!"....-Me on 1.5mg LSD :vibin:

...."We don't need this" -Larkin in response to my "just picked wild LSD!" post:canthelpbutlaugh:


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