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Re: 20k bet on planet X ??? [Re: Shroomism]
    #2216758 - 01/03/04 03:46 PM (18 years, 25 days ago)

I bring this up everytime there is the "12 planet" talk and I never get a straight answer. There are 9 planets in our solar system now, is this planet x gonna bring along 2 more planets?? If an extra planet entering our solar system seems highly improbable, the 3 news planets coming is next to impossible. Please explain to me how thousands of astronomers and sky watchers across the world cannot spot these new planets about to enter our solar system with the telescope technology we have today.


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Re: 20k bet on planet X ??? [Re: chodamunky]
    #2216764 - 01/03/04 03:49 PM (18 years, 25 days ago)

Well, apparently we could already have twelve planets. However, Pluto might not even be considered a planet. But there are at least two other objects orbiting the sun that can qualify for being planets if Pluto does.

Like I said earlier, we are already on the twelvth planet. :thumbup:
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Re: 20k bet on planet X ??? [Re: chodamunky]
    #2216782 - 01/03/04 03:57 PM (18 years, 25 days ago)

I know I've answered this many times.
The Mayans counted the Sun and Moon as planets. They were the ones to name it "The 12th Planet".


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Re: 20k bet on planet X ??? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2216787 - 01/03/04 04:02 PM (18 years, 25 days ago)

Alright, so let's say what you just told me is true and assume this: after the 12 planet arrives and everyone is shocked that the prophecy came true, ANOTHER 5 objects are discovered shortly after that fit the definition of a 'planet'. What then, can you seriously tell me the prophecy still makes sense if there are 17 planets in our solar system? This is basically a numbers game and there in no concrete definition of what a planet is so basically whatever happens, you can mold it to the theory and interpret anyway you like.


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Re: 20k bet on planet X ??? [Re: Shroomism]
    #2216825 - 01/03/04 04:35 PM (18 years, 25 days ago)

thanx shroomism, thats an self-reflecting answer i respect and can follow from an intelligent being as you've shown before you really are. Good luck in the path you choose. And excuse me for my assumptious analyzing-methods, but they do tend to get the rabbit out of the hole more so than not.. :wink:


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Re: 20k bet on planet X ??? [Re: Shroomism]
    #2216829 - 01/03/04 04:37 PM (18 years, 25 days ago)

I remember last year at this time when all of this was going through my head, for one reason or another i was REALLY fucked up, and i found it easy to see this as possible...

I was always skeptical of the whole ordeal, but what didnt leave me was the feeling that things beyond me felt like they were changing.

Every night i dream about our planet, completely messed up, dreams about how physical changes to the planet have distorted everything. Sure there are plenty of good explanations.

But i will admit i always keep it in my mind. Today I walk outside, its 70 - 80 degrees... in northeast texas. LOL, me and my friend were talking about how messed up that is. Every winter it seems to get less and less cold, it takes longer for trees to change color, and the grass to die. We get less frequent rain.

It really makes me wonder how our weather patterns our changing on the planet. Now i know i may just be putting too many things together, and buying in a paranoid half psychotic dillusion, but i think a lot of other people sense the same thing. And its not just people ive heard it from on these boards, but my friends, and people i know.

dates are bullshit, after all how can we predict something we dont even know will happen for sure? If we have a feeling it will happen, we are subject to two possibilties, that the earth will change soon, or that it will change later. No doubt the earth is constantly changing, but just how drastic will those changes occur, and is there another reason for the majority feeling throughout a lot of people?

I think about it everyday, ive thought about it all my life. Ive had dreams about it, ive had visions from places i dont know where they came.

When i go places, mostly new places, i get images in my head, on how I react to that place, sometimes i get some strange encounters. Call me crazy, but i dont think ive fallen too hard, considering the circumstances.

But all in all i wouldnt quit my job for it, at least not today, i would just move when i had to.

Nature has its way of making itself apparent when it is about to change. It can be seen in animals, plants, fungus. These things all spring from the earth, so why would it be too outrageous to assume that maybe the earth itself is going through a major change, that would consequently change the life for all on the planet?

Im not going to say what would change it, cause that is beyond me. Ill just sit here, and peer in on the action :wink: , if rocks start flying, ill get out of the way  :cool:


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Re: 20k bet on planet X ??? [Re: quemo]
    #2217076 - 01/03/04 07:37 PM (18 years, 25 days ago)

do these changes and feeling have anything to do with hair growing in places it idnt used to?


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Re: 20k bet on planet X ??? [Re: Sole_Worthy]
    #2217082 - 01/03/04 07:40 PM (18 years, 25 days ago)

funny you should say that  :crazy: i had weird dreams about that last night! BUt it was no normal hair... no... no. it was mutated, and it had veins and gelatinous... okay... ill stop.  :eyemouth:


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Re: 20k bet on planet X ??? [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2217102 - 01/03/04 07:49 PM (18 years, 25 days ago)

Ever had dreams about the psychotic turkeys who stop at nothing to kill you?Theres tousands of the the featherles grotesque creatures who will wrap their boney strucures around your neck and head. Too witness, with the eye, a beast like this would be a horror eneogh, yet to have several pecking and holding onto your face is hell.

well thats me anyway.

so what are these changes we will expierence? and how can one recognise them?


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Re: 20k bet on planet X ??? [Re: Sole_Worthy]
    #2217231 - 01/03/04 08:46 PM (18 years, 25 days ago)

I dont speak for everyone, only for myself. Ive had visions of what I think would happen when the world changes. Ive had so many visions "images" i dont know anymore. Oceans will rise, land masses will slip away (california). Global climate changes? I really dont know. Im not claiming to have knowledge of the future, just that i have "feelings" that things will change, that those feelings have been supported through things i have experienced growing up. I admit that they could just be a jumble of crap that im buying into, but beyond that i wonder sometimes.

I cannot explain the kinds of dreams that i have. It just doesnt make sense to me, i try not to think about them, but just the information i have recieved in them, boggles my fucking mind! All kinds of things i have never seen before, or learned about i dream of... Maybes its faulty reasoning for me to assume that because i can peer into other things like that, that i would know about the earth.

But i find myself for the most part to be pretty logicaly consistant in making my assertions. Maybe i havent lived long enough to make such assertions anyway, but again like i said i dont know. What would humans face? They would have to face their mortality, they would be FORCED to face a world of uncertainty, and therefore accept that they live here in communion with nature, not as enemy sitting on the battle lines with it.

Are there other people that feel the same way i do? Probably. Does it mean that their is a reason for it? Maybe. Is there a way to definately know for sure? No. Why would i think about it more than i think about watching star trek, i really dont have a clue, but im sure there are people on here who would be willing to make some sort of psychoanalytic dive into the subconcious abyss.

But i do remember coming across this question a few weeks ago in my head...

When you step outside into an urban setting... What do you notice. Nature, or what humans have built? i.e. Buildings. Or do you see the trees and the ground, and the sky, and see how the buildings block that view?


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Re: 20k bet on planet X ??? [Re: Shroomism]
    #2217240 - 01/03/04 08:50 PM (18 years, 25 days ago)

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Shroomism said:
I know I've answered this many times.
The Mayans counted the Sun and Moon as planets. They were the ones to name it "The 12th Planet".




Ok Shroomism, then explain this: Pluto was not discovered until recent history, long after the Mayan civilization made that prophecy. Pluto can't be seen with the naked human eye, and the Mayans had no telescopes. Assuming you can see Uranus with the naked eye, that adds up to 10 planets (including Sun and moon). This theory just doesn't add up.


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Re: 20k bet on planet X ??? [Re: chodamunky]
    #2217248 - 01/03/04 08:55 PM (18 years, 25 days ago)

Here's an interesting tidbit I came accross:


French astrologer Alexandre Bolguine notes that Mayan eyesight in those days was far more powerful than today, although even with acute eyesight, it would be difficult to account for how the Maya knew of 400 stars in the 7 Sisters constellation the Pleiades (called Tzab in Mayan) whereas today we can only spot 6 with the naked eye."

Even with today's most progressive technology, we cannot produce a more accurate set of astronomical calculations, nor whole-systems understanding of the living Universe than that of the Classic Maya.


I find that pretty interesting AND rather peculiar.


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Re: 20k bet on planet X ??? [Re: Deiymiyan]
    #2218039 - 01/04/04 08:20 AM (18 years, 24 days ago)

Vehy interestint Indeed. :grin:
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Re: 20k bet on planet X ??? [Re: Deiymiyan]
    #2218493 - 01/04/04 03:35 PM (18 years, 24 days ago)

"that Mayan eyesight in those days was far more powerful than today" o

or maybe there was less light pollution? duhh.

"Even with today's most progressive technology, we cannot produce a more accurate set of astronomical calculations, nor whole-systems understanding of the living Universe than that of the Classic Maya."

thats a nice-sounding sweeping statement, too bad it isnt backed up by any facts.


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Re: 20k bet on planet X ??? [Re: Positronius]
    #2218867 - 01/04/04 07:14 PM (18 years, 24 days ago)

Well the people in Europe around 2-300 years ago didnt have light pollution either, and they didnt see it...  :smirk:


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Re: 20k bet on planet X ??? [Re: Positronius]
    #2218895 - 01/04/04 07:29 PM (18 years, 24 days ago)

thats a nice-sounding sweeping statement, too bad it isnt backed up by any facts.


I kinda figured the pyramid was reasonable vs. today's astrological calculations.


I dunno, but it appears that the Maya knew their astrological stuff.


Also, I did include a reference: French astrologer Alexandre Bolguine..





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Re: 20k bet on planet X ??? [Re: Shroomism]
    #2219036 - 01/04/04 08:45 PM (18 years, 24 days ago)

So shroomism were you told about the date by beings or did you come up with it based on what you were sensing in the world? Should I bother making contact if the beings are so unspecific?


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Re: 20k bet on planet X ??? [Re: Deiymiyan]
    #2219207 - 01/04/04 10:50 PM (18 years, 24 days ago)

French astrologer Alexandre Bolguine notes that Mayan eyesight in those days was far more powerful than today

How the hell did he come up with that?


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Re: 20k bet on planet X ??? [Re: chodamunky]
    #2219245 - 01/04/04 11:15 PM (18 years, 24 days ago)

cause they could see more stars an' shit


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Re: 20k bet on planet X ??? [Re: chodamunky]
    #2219253 - 01/04/04 11:18 PM (18 years, 24 days ago)

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Ok Shroomism, then explain this: Pluto was not discovered until recent history, long after the Mayan civilization made that prophecy. Pluto can't be seen with the naked human eye, and the Mayans had no telescopes. Assuming you can see Uranus with the naked eye, that adds up to 10 planets (including Sun and moon). This theory just doesn't add up.




I don't know if the Mayans had telescopes or not, I wasn't there. The Dogon Tribe knew of the Sirius star system and that it was a binary star system long before our sciences discovered that very fact. But the fact remains that I did not give it the name 12th planet, nor was I living with the Mayans at the time of the prophecies to evaluate whether they were aware of the existence of 9 planets. In other words, we don't know for sure if the Mayans had telescopes or not, and I'm not really worried about it, because I didn't call it the 12th planet, the Ancient Mayans did.


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