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MiNdTwIsTeR
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For 23years i was an atheist. 1
#22148538 - 08/26/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Im 23years old now. Up until 4months ago i had a very open opinion that theres no way a god can be unless he was created. I believed in evolution. The leading to my changing beliefs is a long story but one part of pursuasion is that if i live my life as a christian i have the options of 1.Heaven or 2.Nothing. 3. Unknown Yet if i continued as an atheist i had the option of 1.Hell 2. Nothing 3. Unknown (ill take my chances with christianity)
What bothers me is when i see others feel the need to act superior about their belief.
What it comes down to is NO ONE (legitimately) KNOWS. Noone can explain where or what the very first molecule came from. Where the first anything came from. Its all unproven, chosen beleifs.
To act arrogant about your belief is completely ignorant when neither i nor any one else can give a complete explanation to the beginning.
Of course christianty sounds farfetched. As does the theory that everything was just created from a big bang etc, but what created the components that created the big bang cant be explained.
So dont feel arrogant about your belief, because its just as hard to grasp just as anyone elses belief.
(I dont live by the church code neither i live my life as positive as possible and do what i feel is okay between me and god, i feel mind altering substances were put here to be explored and as long as you dont let those take over your life your in fine standings.)
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Re: For 23years i was atheist. [Re: MiNdTwIsTeR]
#22148689 - 08/26/15 08:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why does if have to be hell or nothing if you're athiest? I consider myself agnostic but I believe that if there is a god and I lead a good life then why could I not go to heaven when I die?
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Re: For 23years i was atheist. [Re: MiNdTwIsTeR]
#22148692 - 08/26/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well I agree with you in many respects. But I think you are forgetting that calling yourself an atheist merely defines what you aren't. So to change that, work on what you do believe in
for example, many religions discuss an illusion of "self". I think this is an interesting idea that has helped me deal with regret (as it wipes away the idea of free will)
Also, meditation has done wonders for me. There are all kinds of practices and ideas used to center the mind that can be borrowed from religions easily
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MiNdTwIsTeR
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LoveNaborFuckHater said: Why does if have to be hell or nothing if you're athiest? I consider myself agnostic but I believe that if there is a god and I lead a good life then why could I not go to heaven when I die?
Thats my mistake leaving only the 2 options which i corrected.
And that is basically what i believe too only that i also follow what i believe the be the keys of the bible not what the church considers standard.
If everything the church believes is true then everybody will go to hell for eating sugar and consuming caffeine because it harms the body.
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Re: For 23years i was atheist. [Re: topdog82]
#22148752 - 08/26/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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pretty good headline
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MiNdTwIsTeR
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Re: For 23years i was atheist. [Re: Kickle]
#22148757 - 08/26/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Kickle said: pretty good headline 
Thank you
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Re: For 23years i was atheist. [Re: MiNdTwIsTeR]
#22149071 - 08/26/15 09:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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This is whay I try to do. I look at religions (unfortunately I haven't gotten into looking into much others except for different types of Christianity) and I take what good values each religion has and try to apply to my life to the best of my ability. Loving others, loving yourself, certain aspects of the ten commandments, so on and so forth.
One of the most ridiculous and funny things I've seen in religion is in catholicism - I'm baptized catholic - if you miss a mass on purpose and don't go to confession you have committed a mortal sin. Mortal sin means hell no matter what
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There's essentially the message from the culture that it's all hum drum and we should go about our business. I don't think this is true at all.
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LoveNaborFuckHater said: This is whay I try to do. I look at religions (unfortunately I haven't gotten into looking into much others except for different types of Christianity) and I take what good values each religion has and try to apply to my life to the best of my ability. Loving others, loving yourself, certain aspects of the ten commandments, so on and so forth.
One of the most ridiculous and funny things I've seen in religion is in catholicism - I'm baptized catholic - if you miss a mass on purpose and don't go to confession you have committed a mortal sin. Mortal sin means hell no matter what
this times a thousand
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Re: For 23years i was atheist. [Re: topdog82]
#22152133 - 08/27/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I go to a catholic school and a course we have to take is theology and the teachers like to shit on the idea of "buffet christians" where you pick what you want to follow. I don't really see a problem with it as long as you're a good person it's better than believing in everything but only following some of it and just being a shitty person
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LoveNaborFuckHater said: I go to a catholic school and a course we have to take is theology and the teachers like to shit on the idea of "buffet christians" where you pick what you want to follow. I don't really see a problem with it as long as you're a good person it's better than believing in everything but only following some of it and just being a shitty person
A non-believer picks and chooses what they do, a "Christian" is suppose to follow what the religion says, otherwise they are just living their life the same as any other person.
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Re: For 23years i was an atheist. [Re: MiNdTwIsTeR]
#22156545 - 08/28/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pope Francis says hell is not a place where sinners go, and Atheists and believers of other faiths go to Heaven just like Christians do.
What about reincarnation everlasting?
Suppose the Universe is a big box of LEGO.
Theres about 120 different pieces:

They all fit together in a great number of ways, but ultimately a finite number of ways.
If the Universe/God forever plays LEGO, every combination of pieces will recur in every possible way forever.
The going theory now is that a Big Bang happened in the void and that the LEGO from that Big Bang will dissolve into the void again.
There is absolutely nothing which suggests that what happened before won't happen again. And again. Forever.
So, the Universe/God plays LEGO forever.
So, everything will recur in every possible way, forever.
So, you will live every possible life in every possible body on every possible world, forever.
Makes sense no?
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Re: For 23years i was an atheist. [Re: Asante]
#22156949 - 08/28/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I like your reasoning of why you may as well be Christian and have the chance of going to heaven rather than not having the chance of going to heaven.
The way I look at "religion" is that without religion why would you focus on good works in the first place?
With religion you will study the idea of doing good and being good and it will open you up to this realm...as an atheist there is nothing in particular that opens you up to this realm.
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Re: For 23years i was an atheist. [Re: Nymphaea]
#22157109 - 08/28/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nymphaea said: With religion you will study the idea of doing good and being good and it will open you up to this realm...as an atheist there is nothing in particular that opens you up to this realm.
I have to admit, I find that concept kind of offensive. Doing good and being good is the central tenet of my existence and I have no religion.
It sounds like religious brainwashing to me, I've heard this argument before now I come to think of it. I think humans, being the social and tribal creatures that we are inherently want to do/be good to each other. It's only the state of post-modern society and childrearing that has left us with so many individuals who would hurt and harm their fellow humans.
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Asante said: Pope Francis says hell is not a place where sinners go, and Atheists and believers of other faiths go to Heaven just like Christians do.
What about reincarnation everlasting?
Suppose the Universe is a big box of LEGO.
Theres about 120 different pieces:

They all fit together in a great number of ways, but ultimately a finite number of ways.
If the Universe/God forever plays LEGO, every combination of pieces will recur in every possible way forever.
The going theory now is that a Big Bang happened in the void and that the LEGO from that Big Bang will dissolve into the void again.
There is absolutely nothing which suggests that what happened before won't happen again. And again. Forever.
So, the Universe/God plays LEGO forever.
So, everything will recur in every possible way, forever.
So, you will live every possible life in every possible body on every possible world, forever.
Makes sense no?

Im skeptical to this, but definitely a well tought out possibility
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Nymphaea said: With religion you will study the idea of doing good and being good and it will open you up to this realm...as an atheist there is nothing in particular that opens you up to this realm.
I have to admit, I find that concept kind of offensive. Doing good and being good is the central tenet of my existence and I have no religion.
It sounds like religious brainwashing to me, I've heard this argument before now I come to think of it. I think humans, being the social and tribal creatures that we are inherently want to do/be good to each other. It's only the state of post-modern society and childrearing that has left us with so many individuals who would hurt and harm their fellow humans.
this 1000%^
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Nymphaea said: With religion you will study the idea of doing good and being good and it will open you up to this realm...as an atheist there is nothing in particular that opens you up to this realm.
I have to admit, I find that concept kind of offensive. Doing good and being good is the central tenet of my existence and I have no religion.
It sounds like religious brainwashing to me, I've heard this argument before now I come to think of it. I think humans, being the social and tribal creatures that we are inherently want to do/be good to each other. It's only the state of post-modern society and childrearing that has left us with so many individuals who would hurt and harm their fellow humans.
I think there's some truth to this. I also look around and see that most people, on the whole, are pretty well-behaved. I think in most instances we run into trouble because the bad apples spoil the whole bunch.
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Re: For 23years i was an atheist. [Re: Nymphaea]
#22157645 - 08/28/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why would you try to be good while atheist? Psychedelics, your mannerisms, how you were raised, philosophy? Just because you don't believe in a god doesn't mean you would never care to be good or do good
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Re: For 23years i was an atheist. [Re: Nymphaea]
#22157669 - 08/28/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nymphaea said: I like your reasoning of why you may as well be Christian and have the chance of going to heaven rather than not having the chance of going to heaven.
The way I look at "religion" is that without religion why would you focus on good works in the first place?
With religion you will study the idea of doing good and being good and it will open you up to this realm...as an atheist there is nothing in particular that opens you up to this realm.
How do you know that your going "good works" as a believer? What if their religion tells them to do "bad works", but calls it good?
"as an atheist there is nothing in particular that opens you up to this realm"
So an atheist is incapable of going good deeds for their fellow humans?
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Re: For 23years i was an atheist. [Re: qman]
#22157780 - 08/28/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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What it comes down to is NO ONE (legitimately) KNOWS.
QFT it's just as silly to believe in god as to not believe in god.
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