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Psilocybin and heat... a definitive answer?
    #22147911 - 08/26/15 05:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Shamans usually brew the ayahuasca tea in high temperatures for several hours to concentrate DMT into a very thick syrup, and the potency is not affected. I don't understand why some people say you can not boil shrooms in high temperatures. Psilocybin and DMT are pretty much the same thing.


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Re: Psilocybin and heat... a definitive answer? [Re: Aureus]
    #22147964 - 08/26/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I have heard mixed things too. Might as well compare raw mushrooms with boiled and find out for yourself because I haven't found much conclusiveness in my research.


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Re: Psilocybin and heat... a definitive answer? [Re: Aureus]
    #22148171 - 08/26/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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....I don't understand why some people say you can not boil shrooms in high temperatures. Psilocybin and DMT are pretty much the same thing.






I think psilocybin can withstand more heat than most people think.





If you're asking if there's potency loss when making a tea, in my experience with making and drinking mushrooms tea, I'd say there is none.....if there is, it's miniscule and not at all noticeable by me.


When I make my tea I don't boil the mushrooms though .






-I crush up the mushrooms and place the crushed bits in a cup.


-Squeeze lemon juice into the cup and let the mushroom bits soak in the juice while I bring some distilled water up to a boil.


-As soon as the water is at a full on boil I pour the boiling water into the cup that has the lemon juice and crushed mushrooms.


-I sometimes put a cover over the cup to retain the heat longer. I let this sit for about an hour, giving it a good stir and mashing down of the mushroom pieces several times.


-After filtering off the mushroom material I make sure to give it a good squeeze, making sure to get as much water out of em' and into the cup as I can.






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Re: Psilocybin and heat... a definitive answer? [Re: Aureus]
    #22148315 - 08/26/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Shamans usually brew the ayahuasca tea in high temperatures for several hours to concentrate DMT into a very thick syrup, and the potency is not affected. I don't understand why some people say you can not boil shrooms in high temperatures. Psilocybin and DMT are pretty much the same thing.




Nobody who knows the truth says you can't boil shrooms for as long as you like.  Only the people that haven't done it say it. 

But in terms of making a thicker tea - the result is so disgusting that people don't generally do it more than once. :lol:

Just do an alcohol extract and reduce that, a lot less evil.


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Re: Psilocybin and heat... a definitive answer? [Re: Aureus]
    #22148394 - 08/26/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

For anyone interested, these are the answers that I found from advanced members:




Not from heat.  I've boiled them for hours with little to no loss.

At any rate, I'll move this to the appropriate forum.
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It certainly doesn't break down much at temperatures at or below boiling, because it's common to boil mushrooms into tea.  Above that
temperature, I don't think anyone has a true answer.  I've cooked cubes on the BBQ grill before with little to no loss.
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Answer is no, none of the active alkaloids degrade at the temperature of boiling water.  People get the figures for where the crystalline

form melts and think that's the heat limit, but it's not at all the case as the molecules themselves are stable so long as you don't let

them oxidize (what the acid is for).

I've experimented with all kinds of tea making and by far the best is to boil it vigorously.


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Re: Psilocybin and heat... a definitive answer? [Re: Aureus]
    #22148697 - 08/26/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, that last bit is something I wrote back in 2010.  Good find.... :cannotunsee:


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Re: Psilocybin and heat... a definitive answer? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #22148904 - 08/26/15 08:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What a coincidence :shocked:


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Re: Psilocybin and heat... a definitive answer? [Re: Aureus]
    #22149139 - 08/26/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybin and heat... a definitive answer? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #22149878 - 08/27/15 04:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Okay so plenty of people use high temp dehydrators and boiling water to make tea.

Erowid lists psilocybin melting point of 220c or 428f. Could you smoke shrooms ? I always scoffed at the idea but after learning that the molecule is much more heat resistant than originally thought i wonder....... would be cool to vape shrooms. Doubt this is possible but figured i ask and see if anyone had experience or definitive knowledge.


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Re: Psilocybin and heat... a definitive answer? [Re: RickSanchezC137]
    #22150596 - 08/27/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Oxidation is the problem, heat in solution is fine, but dry heat with lots of airflow can oxidize it, gotta be careful with how you dry or you can lose potency.  For some reason freezing wet mushrooms will destroy the psilocybin way faster then any heat, though freezing cracker dry mushrooms helps long term storage.  :shrug:


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