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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens...... Experiances!!!!! [Re: musiclover420]
    #22158968 - 08/29/15 12:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i dry mine under a lamp over a course of a few days, then i powder them and mix with juice.

Im afraid to eat them raw, i always think there is some nasty bacteria on them from the forest i picked them from.


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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens...... Experiances!!!!! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22158976 - 08/29/15 12:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I am really :stoned: so please remind me if you get nausea from them or not :lol:

I feel like eating them raw and or maybe fresh could cause more stomach discomfort then say a well made tea.


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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens...... Experiances!!!!! [Re: musiclover420]
    #22158979 - 08/29/15 12:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I do get a little sickness, but the major side effect is the muscle pain and lethargy.

its no bueno, you immune guys are super lucky.


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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens...... Experiances!!!!! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22159121 - 08/29/15 01:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hmmm....I wonder if wood lovers are just really good at picking up chemicals from the substrate or the environment and this is what is responsible for the varied effects.  I would perhaps shy away from shrooms too close to a road where exhaust fumes, gas, oil, or other nasty chemicals can drain into the soil.

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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens...... Experiances!!!!! [Re: Nature Boy]
    #22159137 - 08/29/15 01:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I have definitely wondered some similiar stuff, especially with things like pesticides and or other chemicals applied in many places.


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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens...... Experiances!!!!! [Re: Nature Boy]
    #22159148 - 08/29/15 01:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Tea seems to be the best way to eliminate the nausea from any species IME (dont have too much experience with cyans tho.) My stomach over time just ended up tending to cause the discomfort/nausea when I would eat the actual fruits. Seemed to do the same even if I ate the fruits after making tea out of them. So I think for me it's just eating the fruits themselves but I really cant say for sure and that could just be my personal experience and bodys reaction to it:shrug:

Either way I only make tea nowadays and dont consume the soggy fruits (most of the alkaloids would be in the tea anyway)


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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens...... Experiances!!!!! [Re: musiclover420]
    #22159273 - 08/29/15 04:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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For those of you saying you get nausea or a bad body load from cyans, how are you consuming them.




I mentioned body load from pans cyans, but I think it was more to do with sheer potency than a specific characteristic. These were commercially produced and eaten fresh (before they banned them in Holland). I liked these because they were very strong and there wasn't so much material to eat compared to cubes. A standard 12g fresh dose would end up like a piece of chewing gum in my mouth.

I also tried them dried a couple of times; the first time I'd never been so overwhelmed by such an insignificant-looking quantity of shrooms! Visuals were outrageous (that was the zoo trip I linked in previous post). The next time I ate them dried (roughly 1g) it wasn't anything special - there's a comment in my trip journal:

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My OEV on 1g of Hawaiians are no different and no better than sclerotia. I'm pretty sure they are dose dependent, not strain dependent.




It would be nice to try the psilocybe cyanescens for comparison but it's unlikely I'll get the chance :mushroom2:


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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens...... Experiances!!!!! [Re: musiclover420]
    #22159997 - 08/29/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I have a question for all of you.

For those of you saying you get nausea or a bad body load from cyans, how are you consuming them.

Same goes for those of you who find them clean.

I want to see if some of you are making tea or using them fresh as apposed to dry or eating them raw :strokebeard:

Also I am pretty sure I remember reading about the paralysis someone moved mycelium from a coastal patch that was causing paralysis up north away from the coast. Then when it flushed it did not cause any paralysis. I am not positive but I remember reading it and thinking maybe it was just coastal woodlovers. Just more food for thought.




Yes.  Tea.  Always.  I started doing tea exclusively about 10 years ago and would never go back to eating the mushrooms.  No nausea, no cramping, no unpleasant bodyload.  Half the time on a real high dose the bodyfeel will be pure hedonia like  nice strong roll.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens...... Experiances!!!!! [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #22160367 - 08/29/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:thumbup:

Thanks guys, I may start a poll at some point becouse I want to say see bigger statistics :tongue2:

I have always wanted to try Pan cyans too, I have read some great stuff.

Seems like tea is the way to go though, which makes sense.


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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens...... Experiances!!!!! [Re: Nature Boy] * 1
    #22160904 - 08/29/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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musiclover420 said:
I have a question for all of you.

For those of you saying you get nausea or a bad body load from cyans, how are you consuming them.

Same goes for those of you who find them clean.





I don't notice any difference in the nausea or body load between eating em' dry or fresh and on an empty stomach, or making them into a tea. Cubes and woodlovers have never bothered my stomach other than one occasion where I experienced about 20 minutes or so of uncomfortable sharp pain in the stomach around 45 minutes after eating them. I always eat them on a relatively empty stomach, and sometimes eat a little fruit or something 20 or 30 minutes after.

I've never puked or had nausea from em'.



Since they never bothered my stomach I always just ate them plain.....chewed up, sometimes held in my cheeks and under the tongue for a little while before swallowing, and washed down with water...This past winter I tried making a tea for the first time and now prefer to take them in a tea. I prefer this because it's a more rapid come up, and it's easier and way more effective to re-dose with a tea. It's a shorter trip, but I usually brew up a bunch of tea and re-dose once or twice.








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Hmmm....I wonder if wood lovers are just really good at picking up chemicals from the substrate or the environment and this is what is responsible for the varied effects.  I would perhaps shy away from shrooms too close to a road where exhaust fumes, gas, oil, or other nasty chemicals can drain into the soil.

N.B.





I, and others, have speculated the same.

There was a thread somewhat recently that was talking about this subject. One dude hypothesized and had a theory that the nasty body load and paralysis that some folks occasionally experience from wood lovers might have something to do with a histamine reaction (or something of that sort, if i remember correctly).

Don't have time to search for that thread atm, but will post it later when I do.








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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens...... Experiances!!!!! [Re: openmind]
    #22160957 - 08/29/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Same here. That's why I love them so much because I can eat enough to trip extremely hard with no stomach discomfort like with cubes. Just seems to give a more clear headed visual mindfuck trip if that makes any sense haha


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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens...... Experiances!!!!! [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22321421 - 10/01/15 10:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

How exactly do you make your tea? Do you buy into the lemon tek idea? I have never made mushroom tea but I often will get nausea and I always get muscle pains. Pan Cincts were the smoothest ride I have ever had. But I took Cyans about 7 years ago and hardly remember a thing about them other than the fact that the visuals were off the charts.

Also...people consistently say the high is shorter but also stronger. I don't want it to be too short or too strong though. I just want to get rid of the pesky nausea and muscle cramps.


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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens...... Experiances!!!!! [Re: FryersQuest]
    #22321587 - 10/01/15 10:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Chop the mushrooms, soak in some lemon juice, then put the lemon tek with a cup of water into a pot on high, add some fresh grated ginger, chamomile and bring to a boil, let simmer for a few minutes, strain, squeezing all fluid from the pulp, then drink.  The acid converts all the indoles to a more bio-available form, keeps them in solution and protects them from oxidation, you get all the indoles out so you can discard the mushrooms, the ginger helps with your stomach and elimanates nausea and the chamomile inhibits some kind of enzyme that metabolizes the indoles so it actually potentiates the trip a bit.  Taking high doses with this type of tea is very intense, the come on is swift and strong, you are peaking within 1-1.5 hours and you're coming down after 2.5-3.  By 5 you're pretty much sober.  I like it this way, there is a bit of a rush in the way it kicks in that can be very euphoric and with 2g+ cyans can almost feel like a really trippy roll.


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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens...... Experiances!!!!! [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #22321676 - 10/01/15 11:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The mushrooms will be dried so does that make a difference? I will be doing it with a couple of beginners...I know I will be fine either way but I just worry about the cyan dose/potency. Perhaps 1.2 grams is a good starting point?


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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens...... Experiances!!!!! [Re: FryersQuest]
    #22321840 - 10/02/15 12:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

For cyans noobs should have between .75-1.25g depending on their bravery. 1.25 is actually my social, need to function dose.  2g+ and I'm going to want to lie down and merge with the universe.


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    #22322833 - 10/02/15 09:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Hmmm....I wonder if wood lovers are just really good at picking up chemicals from the substrate or the environment and this is what is responsible for the varied effects.  I would perhaps shy away from shrooms too close to a road where exhaust fumes, gas, oil, or other nasty chemicals can drain into the soil.

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Yeah, there is both truth and speculation to that...they do tend to absorb some of the nasties from the wood itself. Also, they tend to have another compound baeocystin in them that some say may aid the paralysis.

The East coast wood lovers are ps. ovoidiocystadiata and are pretty plentiful in the Spring if you know where to look. These are my mushrooms of choice and they can rock your world. I've never had paralysis but have had doses where my mind refused to let my body walk, lol, if you know what I mean...every manual task became a chore and I just wound up lying under a tree feeling and viewing all the wonders of nature...almost absorbed into the earth. I love that feeling of oneness on high doses.
A high dose of ovoids for me was 4.5 grams...not sure if I wanna go that far again.


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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens...... Experiances!!!!! [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #22322849 - 10/02/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Ovoids, from what ive read, are serious business! Very potent.

4.5 grams is a lot of Ovoids. Thats pretty damn brave sir.

And that Oneness feeling is unlike anything else :heart:


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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens...... Experiances!!!!! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22329366 - 10/03/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

lol cyans will tear you up man gotta be careful with those ones :mushroom2:
I used to pick them nice and fresh out in florida too, big ones
They are just so much more intense than cubes , much more visual and trippy, they take you places for sure, cyans > cubes any day
They really take over your mind haha


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    #22329812 - 10/03/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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lol cyans will tear you up man gotta be careful with those ones :mushroom2:
I used to pick them nice and fresh out in florida too, big ones
They are just so much more intense than cubes






They're referring to psilocybe cyanescens, and those don't grow down in Florida....in Florida ya'll do have Panaeolus cyanescens though. They grow off different substrates and fruit in different times of the year.....Pan cyans are certainly more potent than a cube, and psilocybe cyans are right on par if not a bit more potent than the Pan cyans.

These are the ps cyanescens....





....and these are pan cyans......






But yea...anyone I've ever given some of the cyans I've found, I always tell em' to be careful with them things :yesnod: . They've consistently been at least twice as potent as any cube I've ate. I have always wanted to eat a cubensis freshly picked though (and wild, I've only ever ate dry cubes grown by some random person I don't know)....because even with cyans, when I eat them shortly after picking em' from a patch I notice a pronounced "zest" of potency and a certain aspect that isn't there when consumed dry.





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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens...... Experiances!!!!! [Re: openmind]
    #22329993 - 10/03/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I too think that fresh mushies have an extra zing.  Fresh cultivated cubes can be pretty damn strong, I think they're generally stronger than wild cubes as they've been selected for good genetics over the years.  I always laugh when people take about "dealer cubes" and how strong they are, though, would like to see them eat some fresh azzies. 
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