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Big mistakes were made
    #22145407 - 08/26/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

so yesterday I finished sterilizing 24 half pint brf cakes.

first mistake I didn't notice: 4 jars were burnt from the pressure cooker bottom.

so then today I go to inoculate th remaining jars and after I finish I realize I skipped the step where I put a layer of vermiculite on top of the cake before I inoculate them.

I freaked out and taped over the holes just now.

was this mistake too much?


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Re: Big mistakes were made [Re: drum of rum]
    #22145422 - 08/26/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Probably. I'd start that all the way over boss.


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Re: Big mistakes were made [Re: drum of rum]
    #22145424 - 08/26/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

ya start over follow the vid to the t no matter what you do :shrug:
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Re: Big mistakes were made [Re: tripdawg420]
    #22145450 - 08/26/15 10:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

fuck. in gonna hold on to these 24 and see what happens. I'm pretty sure they're gonna be fucked though. Damnit I just spent a decent bit on these spores


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Re: Big mistakes were made [Re: drum of rum]
    #22145455 - 08/26/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

There's really no point in holding on to them to be completely honest with you. The burnt jars, okay but that dry verm layer is the first and ONLY layer of defense for pf jars against contams. You're going to be seeing a rainbow soon :shrug:


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Re: Big mistakes were made [Re: taGyo]
    #22145476 - 08/26/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

can anyone give me some kind of reassurance that this might be ok. the burnt jars go tossed its really only a matter of this tip layer of verm


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Re: Big mistakes were made [Re: drum of rum]
    #22145483 - 08/26/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You're looking for an answer no one is going to give you. The dry verm layer is the ONLY DEFENSE these jars have against contamination, they are naturally extremely attractive to mold and other contaminates because of their highly nutritious nature.

But okay, someone else will chime in :shrug:


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Re: Big mistakes were made [Re: drum of rum]
    #22145508 - 08/26/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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can anyone give me some kind of reassurance that this might be ok




No, we can't, because it won't.

Shaking a PF jar can contaminate it even if you have the verm layer.

What do you want to waste?
Some effort and materials, or all that plus 2 weeks?

To me, time is the most valuable thing in the hobby. You can buy materials, you can make more jars, but you can't get back lost time...


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Re: Big mistakes were made [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #22145525 - 08/26/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Everything will be ok. Just colonize the jars with whatever happened to land inside. When that's done, make sure to birth all of your cakes into an effective chamber, so that all your moldshrooms can grow. If you then ingest whatever grows, you might just die...so yea, you will have a trip...to heaven. Oh yea, but remember, everything will be ok.


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Re: Big mistakes were made [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #22145528 - 08/26/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Wow that is shit advice, the fuck you doing here bro?

Keep sarcasm in the Pub, half of what you just said was wrong anyway


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Re: Big mistakes were made [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #22145535 - 08/26/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:lmafo:

Not nice though. :nonono:

@GreenRabbit It was sarcasm. Albeit not necessary in cult but I was pissed for a minute until I finished reading the post.


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Re: Big mistakes were made [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #22145548 - 08/26/15 10:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Wow that is shit advice, the fuck you doing here bro?

Keep sarcasm in the Pub, half of what you just said was wrong anyway




Perhaps it was the wrong place for sarcasm, and it doesn't matter if it was wrong..it was sarcasm. As for what I am doing here, reading the forums...same as you..get off your high horse, and step off.


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Re: Big mistakes were made [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #22145568 - 08/26/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

well here's what I'm gonna do... I'm gonna leave these jars alone to wither away and maybe a miracle will happen.

in the meantime I will acquire more spores and work on project number 2. Would be awesome if someone had some extra cube spores.


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Re: Big mistakes were made [Re: drum of rum]
    #22145576 - 08/26/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Not the place to ask.

Watch these videos again:

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Re: Big mistakes were made [Re: drum of rum]
    #22145582 - 08/26/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Lol plenty of people have extra spores, go to the marketplace.

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Re: Big mistakes were made [Re: drum of rum]
    #22145583 - 08/26/15 10:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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fuck. in gonna hold on to these 24 and see what happens. I'm pretty sure they're gonna be fucked though. Damnit I just spent a decent bit on these spores




Well, since you have the jars all loaded, sterilized, inoculted, etc., I would say it makes sense to let them ride. See what happens. Some of them may bake it through. You really never know. It deepnds. Maybe the mold and bacteria spores weren't too active in the place where you did the inoculation. Who knows. I have seen jars that should have gotten contaminated come through just fine.

Supposing, worst case, that all the jars do go bad, that is really going to be a good, direct, kick-in-the-head lesson for you. You will never, never again forget the verm.


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Re: Big mistakes were made [Re: champinhom]
    #22145599 - 08/26/15 10:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If it's contamed it's contamed :shrug:,

If by make it through you mean produced mushrooms then that's a different story. Mold spores are microscopic, if one landed there chances are hundreds or thousands did and one will be active.

But it's all good, let him let it rock :lol:, post pics when you see rainbows.


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Re: Big mistakes were made [Re: taGyo]
    #22145676 - 08/26/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

as long as he doesn't open the jars, he should be ok though right? I moved the 3 I had with contamination outside into a bucket. Going to wait til trash day to toss them in my bin.


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Re: Big mistakes were made [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #22145689 - 08/26/15 10:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

No because the way gas exchange happens in PF jars is through those tiny holes. Like previously stated even shaking a PF jar can lead to a contam. The dry verm layer is there to catch any unwanted spores. Without it you're gas exchange is loaded with contaminated air.

So basically air is constantly being recycled in a PF jar. CO2 is moving out and O2 is coming in, bringing in a lot of nasty stuff with it.

But we'll see, stranger things have happened, I don't want to be negative about it.


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Re: Big mistakes were made [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #22145718 - 08/26/15 10:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

My opinion. If you have the ability to restart these jars with new spores do it. If not let it ride I had a jar that 40% of it turned to contaminate gave up for 2 months forgot about the jar came back to find the mycelium fought back and beat the contam. :mushroom2:Grew beautifully. These little guys are crazy.


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Re: Big mistakes were made [Re: Kitasmush]
    #22145767 - 08/26/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I haven't opened them since before I sterilized them. I also put the aluminum foil under the jar cap so that they have only been exposed to anything by me poking a hole through the aluminum foil during inoculation. we'll see what happens

Also here is a link to one of the guides I read that did not include the top layer of dry verm.


http://www.hipforums.com/forum/topic/411070-how-to-grow-34-lb-of-magic-mushrooms-in-under-3-months/


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Re: Big mistakes were made [Re: drum of rum]
    #22145832 - 08/26/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Are you going to trust someone from Hipforums or someone from the shroomery :facepalm3:

Posted September 24 2011 - 09:14 PM
That's a 4 year old tek brotha. Do you think it's still up to date?

Also:

Cut a ¼ inch hole in between the middle of the jar and the lip of it. Drill the 3/8 hole across from it. Take RTV and use it to glue a tyvek quarter sized piece over the 3/8 inch hole. Use the RTV to fill in the ¼ inch hole with globs sticking out both sides of it. Your lids should look like this.

He still has a filter. Tyvek is very common for grain jars. You have NO filter. There's a huge difference.

He's also using the wrong jars and those jars are WAY to packed. Mycelium likes air pockets.


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Re: Big mistakes were made [Re: taGyo]
    #22145860 - 08/26/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Oops well thanks man I've certainly learned from this


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Re: Big mistakes were made [Re: drum of rum]
    #22147012 - 08/26/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I have another question.... If I taped over the inoculation holes will this be a problem? Do they need AE during this point and if so what can I do


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Re: Big mistakes were made [Re: drum of rum]
    #22147159 - 08/26/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What kind of tape?

AE? Air Exchange? No. They need GE, Gas Exchange, this is not the same as fresh air.

If you used micropore tape, that is perfect, but a little too late. If you used any other kind of tape, then yea, it will be a problem, they will almost certainly stall (assuming they don't contam).


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Re: Big mistakes were made [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #22147211 - 08/26/15 03:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Is the tape on most band aids microporous?


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Re: Big mistakes were made [Re: drum of rum]
    #22147521 - 08/26/15 04:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

They only way to be able to skip the dry verm layer would be to use a filtered lid... Id redo the ones you forgot the dry verm layer...:thumbup:


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Re: Big mistakes were made [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
    #22147542 - 08/26/15 04:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

He wants to let it rock. Honestly I've seen crazier shit happen. Make more jars while you wait though.


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Re: Big mistakes were made [Re: taGyo]
    #22147689 - 08/26/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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first mistake I didn't notice: 4 jars were burnt from the pressure cooker bottom.



You shouldn't have the jars touching the bottom but if they burned you probably left the heat on too high and the PC ran out of water. Be sure to turn the heat down once it reaches pressure. You need just enough heat to keep the water boiling.


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Re: Big mistakes were made [Re: Kizzle]
    #22192002 - 09/05/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Update: 2-3 jars are showing clear signs of contamination.

On the other hand. I have around 5-10 jars with strong rhizomorphic growth. Very please with the outcome. I figure if I don't touch them or move them around too much my chances of contaminating then will be lower.
Can anyone recommend a noob bulk substrate method? I've been looking into horse poop and gypsum but wbs also looks nice.


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Re: Big mistakes were made [Re: drum of rum]
    #22192028 - 09/05/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Update: 2-3 jars are showing clear signs of contamination.

On the other hand. I have around 5-10 jars with strong rhizomorphic growth. Very please with the outcome. I figure if I don't touch them or move them around too much my chances of contaminating then will be lower.
Can anyone recommend a noob bulk substrate method? I've been looking into horse poop and gypsum but wbs also looks nice.




WBS is not a substrate. WBS is grain, which you turn into spawn, which you then spawn to a bulk substrate. The easiest for first timers and bulk is definitely a coir/verm substrate. Horse poop will require proper pasteurization, and you really cant MS to poo.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19140341#19140341

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Re: Big mistakes were made [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
    #22192081 - 09/05/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Update: 2-3 jars are showing clear signs of contamination.

On the other hand. I have around 5-10 jars with strong rhizomorphic growth. Very please with the outcome. I figure if I don't touch them or move them around too much my chances of contaminating then will be lower.
Can anyone recommend a noob bulk substrate method? I've been looking into horse poop and gypsum but wbs also looks nice.




WBS is not a substrate. WBS is grain, which you turn into spawn, which you then spawn to a bulk substrate. The easiest for first timers and bulk is definitely a coir/verm substrate. Horse poop will require proper pasteurization, and you really cant MS to poo.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19140341#19140341

Here's a good list of links by SB. Read them. It explains working with bulk grows.



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Thank you I will look into it and I will also add pictures when the jars are fully colonized.
I wonder who else successfully colonized jars without a contamination barrier?
Can't find any logs or info on it.
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Re: Big mistakes were made [Re: drum of rum]
    #22226124 - 09/12/15 08:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So here's an update on these jars with no vermiculite contamination barrier.

10 jars are left out of the 24 I started with. These jars are 40-80% colonized.

I think the fact that they don't have a verm layer helps with AE and is helping big time.

I'm worried about what I will see when I finally open the jars as I can see healthy vigorous growth all around the sides but the top can't be seen.

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