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Re: why don't governments want us to do drugs* ? [Re: keeno] * 1
    #22181744 - 09/03/15 05:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Because way back when some idiot, or some group of idiots, with influence used them and had a bad experience or couldn't moderate themselves and decided they are dangerous.

Except weed maybe, that had more to do with immigration and racism than anything else.


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Re: why don't governments want us to do drugs* ? [Re: keeno] * 1
    #22181761 - 09/03/15 05:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

many thanks folks, I really appreciate your input on this.

I've broken it down into the main points and laid it out so it's easier to read (a bit anyways)

the main reasons seem to be:

Control of population, Money, Moral/ Religious, Harm Reduction, Racism, Votes and Other :smile:
with the first two gaining the most support. So essentially, you think as I do pretty much.
It interesting to see how things are changing around the world, and annoying as fuck how our Tory (cunt) government aren't interested in even talking about it.

anyways, thanks again folks, have a good one :laugh:





Control over people

*fennario
I think many drugs change the way a persons brain is wired, they allow people the chance to see truth.  Some people see truth and then go against the powers that run this world, some people spread their message and by doing so convert others to their way of thinking.  Of course big bro doesn't want people questioning things, they only want mass produced clones which bend over and take it up the ass on a daily basis.
That's just the tip of the iceberg.

*SirShroomsalott
I think it started off with good intention and fear of widespread damage by drug use, but now with current information and studies and the more knowledge we have on the subjext it changed from good intention to a controlling aspect.


*PSI
Maybe they do want people to break those laws. It provides an excuse to expand police powers.

*Healing
The U.S. has used the drug war to exert its influence over the globe.
It's a problem of the oligarchy. The very rich created the drug war to further the police state that has encompassed the globe. It's always been like this. Drugs are just the latest version.
Serfs in Europe had to get stabbed, chattle slaves in the colonies had to get kidnapped, we have to be shot in our homes and jailed for decades for smoking weed. It's western civilization. One long terrible genocide after another.

*InfinteToker
they take the blinders off of reality, allowing us to see everyday things, or comprehend everyday thoughts in a different light. 
They force you to question that everything you were taught is or was a lie, and that's a dangerous idea to some.  Those in control i mean to say.....

*lazy fingers
it's not just drugs, the people in gov want total control, think about a mother, then think about 1 million mothers, and of course they smother the baby and it dies.

*LenningradCowboy
Because the biggest enemy To freedom is satisfied slave....they dont want you To think for your Self!

*nice1returns
to govern = Control


Money


*SirShroomsalott
Or monry, they make way too much money arresting, fining, and charging people for drugs that legalizing them would lose a lot of money for a lot of departments quickly. Everything from court and legal systems, to police departments, to jails and further would he effected dramatically and in a way the current system is dependent on drugs staying illegal

*CHeifM4sterDiezL
So they can tax alcohol and tobacco

*Qman
The rich don't want a drug addicted workforce, the higher productivity results in higher profits.
Not to mention, the prohibition of drugs makes certain elite people an incredible amount of money, coke, heroin, ect, aren't worth much until it becomes illegal.

*Stonehenge
The reasons given in this thread are good ones. There are a few more. They banned pot mainly because of hearst and his campaign against it, said it made the negroes violent. Opiates were banned for good reasons though treating addicts makes more sense than locking them up.
Why are so many drugs still banned even though like pot they have been found to have medicinal properties? Because of the hidden reason, the big money people. Not just the for profit prison system, but because big pharma does not want you to have pot which would mean less need for their nasty drugs with major side effects and addictive profiles. More pot = less oxycontin, less dilaudid sold etc. Then you have the alcohol interests who do not want to lose money. And even big tobacco  who would lose some cash. Those industries have major bucks and money controls our govt. End of story


*4ho-dmt
This is so true. Organizations like the DEA also profit huge from prohibition. Not to mention that they are trading guns for money with the Cartels down in Mexico. It all comes down to economics. Supply and demand. Illegal drugs causes less supply and more demand, so the money involved goes up. It is purely an issue of money. All the bullshit propaganda tries to hide this. But, it is plain and simple. There is too much money tied up in prohibition to end it.


Moral/ religious

*turtletotem
early Christianity.
Well I'm not sure really, but at one point in history there was no drug taboo, and when the early Christians came they banned all psychoactive drugs they encountered during their conquests, as they were often asociated with paganism. So I guess that is where the taboo came from.
*Prisoner#1
why blame the christians, intoxicants are banned in almost all religions.
thailand it 90% buddhis and the drug laws are far more strict

Racism

*shroomslip
Except weed maybe, that had more to do with immigration and racism than anything else.

Harm reduction

*Apollyphelion
I think the whole world got scared of drugs when they saw how bad opium fucked china up.

*shroomslip
Because way back when some idiot, or some group of idiots, with influence used them and had a bad experience or couldn't moderate themselves and decided they are dangerous.

Votes

*PSI
I think in many cases it's a political play, either to appeal to certain voters who want to see "bad people" go down or to marginalize others who likely wouldn't have voted for you. In the US, alcohol prohibition failed because drinking was too popular, but rather than just disband the associated law enforcement infrastructure they found a new scapegoat with less political clout (users of drugs popularly associated with foreign cultures) to attack and appeal to moral crusader types. The temperance movement that gave rise to Prohibition had originally been born out of legitimate concerns (women concerned about drunken abusive husbands basically) but I think there was also a strong busybody element of "other people shouldn't be able to enjoy vices I disapprove of just because."
When Nixon ramped things up again, attacking drug users was a way of attacking people who were inconvenient to him politically through opposition to the Vietnam War and so on.

Other
*imnotbassfreak
because your a pussy and cant hang with the big dogs

*zZZZz
cuz they want all the drugs to themselves, so they leave us the shit drugs like booze and cigarettes.



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cheers folks!

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Re: why don't governments want us to do drugs* ? [Re: keeno] * 1
    #22181836 - 09/03/15 06:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Because the biggest enemy To freedom is satisfied slave....they dont want you To think for your Self!


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Re: why don't governments want us to do drugs* ? [Re: LeningradCowboy]
    #22181873 - 09/03/15 07:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

freedom for who?


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Re: why don't governments want us to do drugs* ? [Re: keeno] * 1
    #22181987 - 09/03/15 08:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

For single individual


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Re: why don't governments want us to do drugs* ? [Re: keeno] * 1
    #22182003 - 09/03/15 08:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

to govern = Control


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Re: why don't governments want us to do drugs* ? [Re: nice1returns] * 1
    #22182028 - 09/03/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Why don't the government want us to use drugs?

Easy

They want to make sure that we have a clear mind so we can make the best voting decisions.

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Re: why don't governments want us to do drugs* ? [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #22183164 - 09/03/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's the fear of the power that psychedelics have. The fear that it could mess us up completely, or even the deeper fear of yourself. It's even the fear that the moment could be life changing.

People don't like new things, and that extends to new ideas that shatter their form of reality. Some people want to stay in control, but psychedelics are all about letting go. There are countless reasons, but when you go back far enough, I think it all stems from the fear of something about psychedelics.


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Re: why don't governments want us to do drugs* ? [Re: Achillita]
    #22183216 - 09/03/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

There's many sides, while goverments tell you "say no to drugs" they have made money through drug smuggling, dont quote me cause i'm not looking up the exact info, but wasn't the vietnam war involved in smuggling opium.
  the big brothers play many roles.. while they gain favor with certain groups by being against drugs, and keep drugs off the streets. They spend money and make money off the war on drug campaigns, but on the other hand in the shadows they are bringing drugs in.. so its an ongoing fight that benefits them.. I dont think the government is worried about a bunch of junkies putting their minds together and fighting the system. Thats for the hard drugs.. those  users create money, fill prisons.. so they win either way.
  Other drugs like pot is actually good for you and has many benefits, they were against that for different reason's primarily because busting pot heads probably made them money and there was a lot of money and assets to sieze that they could get to through Mary jane.
  mushrooms and the like have been used for a long long time, and I think that was made illegal because of the power it could have, it did open your mind at times and it could unveil the truth or something like that.. I rambled but damn, just got these sweet budz..


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Re: why don't governments want us to do drugs* ? [Re: abductee] * 1
    #22183227 - 09/03/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I also think some drugs are just not good for your health, family and community. I want good to win and happiness in the world, for us to thrive like healthy mycelium.lol, hard addictions dont help.


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Re: why don't governments want us to do drugs* ? [Re: abductee] * 1
    #22183239 - 09/03/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Oh so you're fine with some prohibitions but not others?


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Re: why don't governments want us to do drugs* ? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22183280 - 09/03/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

yes. I hope you don't take offense to my opinion. I think most people would like a world they envision as a good place.


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Re: why don't governments want us to do drugs* ? [Re: abductee] * 3
    #22183332 - 09/03/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't take offense.  I just think all prohibition is bullshit.


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Re: why don't governments want us to do drugs* ? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22183335 - 09/03/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

cool


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Re: why don't governments want us to do drugs* ? [Re: abductee]
    #22183365 - 09/03/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

ive been thinking about it a little more, when you mean prohibition as it is in the legal system with jail punishment, or do you mean prohibition in the sense of being told that this is not allowed.


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Re: why don't governments want us to do drugs* ? [Re: abductee] * 1
    #22183422 - 09/03/15 02:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I mean legal punishment.  I have said this repeatedly.  I think everything should be legal and there should be no obligation to bail you out if and when you fuck up


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Re: why don't governments want us to do drugs* ? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22183436 - 09/03/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

yeah


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Re: why don't governments want us to do drugs* ? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22186012 - 09/04/15 12:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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I mean legal punishment.  I have said this repeatedly.  I think everything should be legal and there should be no obligation to bail you out if and when you fuck up




That makes a surprising amount of sense.


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Re: why don't governments want us to do drugs* ? [Re: Turtletotem]
    #22186556 - 09/04/15 06:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That is one of the reasons why I am the obvious Shroomery candidate for President


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