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Re: why don't governments want us to do drugs* ? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22149842 - 08/27/15 03:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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So they can tax alcohol and tobacco





but they tax cannabis... why not tax all of them? no one's going to object if they tax heroin, as it'll still be considerably cheaper than street smack


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Re: why don't governments want us to do drugs* ? [Re: qman]
    #22149845 - 08/27/15 03:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The rich don't want a drug addicted workforce, the higher productivity results in higher profits.





cheers qman!

so you think industry and corporations apply pressure?

surely though, alcohol is addictive and cause loss of productivity?
a study shows £7.3 billion was lost to UK economy in 2010


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Re: why don't governments want us to do drugs* ? [Re: imnotbassfreak]
    #22149847 - 08/27/15 03:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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because your a pussy and cant hang with the big dogs





I'm a pussy?

haha you know you might have hit the nail on the head there

cheers imnotbassfreak :cookiemonster:


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Re: why don't governments want us to do drugs* ? [Re: keeno] * 1
    #22149948 - 08/27/15 05:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Or monry, they make way too much money arresting, fining, and charging people for drugs that legalizing them would lose a lot of money for a lot of departments quickly. Everything from court and legal systems, to police departments, to jails and further would he effected dramatically and in a way the current system is dependent on drugs staying illegal





thanks SirShroomsAlott.
seems madness to me, as arresting, prosecuting and putting people in jail costs the taxpayer doesn't it? I know the prisons make lots of money but does that get back to the government?
(it's different over here, we don't have as many privatised jails)




It does but at the same time there is state and federal and federal goes after the big boys with big pockets. Granted I'm not absolutely sure this is the case, but money seems to be the major player in all aspects of society so I would assume
That it's a big factor.

It definitely does cost tax payers money but I would assume they would have to be getting it back in some way because of the substantial amount of people in prison over drugs, the US leads the world in the number of people incarcerated and I believe last time I checked it was around 54% of the prison population that's made up of nonviolent drug offenders here.

By taking that out of the equation people could probably demand to pay lower taxes still resulting in less money for the powers above us. I'm definitely no expert and could absolutely be wrong but I've always believed it was due more to financial reasons and control rather then for moral and ethical reasons.

I have other theories about how they make even more money off it, but the CIA and DEA in particular have been caught doing some pretty sketchy shit before. I don't have a computer either and I'm at work so I can't reference what I'm referring to so I apologize.


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Re: why don't governments want us to do drugs* ? [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #22149951 - 08/27/15 05:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

all good fella. we may never know the facts, but it's interesting to hear peoples opinions

it's always about money at the end of the day


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Re: why don't governments want us to do drugs* ? [Re: keeno] * 1
    #22150009 - 08/27/15 06:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Maybe they do want people to break those laws. It provides an excuse to expand police powers.





cheers PSI,

so you think that it's a sort of honey trap?
they decided, these things are so good, we can incarcerate people, take them out of society?
to what end? cheap labour in prison? Racism? the hunt for more votes?




I think in many cases it's a political play, either to appeal to certain voters who want to see "bad people" go down or to marginalize others who likely wouldn't have voted for you. In the US, alcohol prohibition failed because drinking was too popular, but rather than just disband the associated law enforcement infrastructure they found a new scapegoat with less political clout (users of drugs popularly associated with foreign cultures) to attack and appeal to moral crusader types. The temperance movement that gave rise to Prohibition had originally been born out of legitimate concerns (women concerned about drunken abusive husbands basically) but I think there was also a strong busybody element of "other people shouldn't be able to enjoy vices I disapprove of just because."

When Nixon ramped things up again, attacking drug users was a way of attacking people who were inconvenient to him politically through opposition to the Vietnam War and so on.


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Re: why don't governments want us to do drugs* ? [Re: psi] * 1
    #22150070 - 08/27/15 07:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The U.S. has used the drug war to exert its influence over the globe.

It's a problem of the oligarchy. The very rich created the drug war to further the police state that has encompassed the globe. It's always been like this. Drugs are just the latest version.

Serfs in Europe had to get stabbed, chattle slaves in the colonies had to get kidnapped, we have to be shot in our homes and jailed for decades for smoking weed. It's western civilization. One long terrible genocide after another.


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Re: why don't governments want us to do drugs* ? [Re: keeno] * 1
    #22150161 - 08/27/15 07:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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So they can tax alcohol and tobacco





but they tax cannabis... why not tax all of them? no one's going to object if they tax heroin, as it'll still be considerably cheaper than street smack



the federal government doesnt collect taxes on cannabis. Any states doing so are operating within a grey area of the law. How do you explain the fact that all the good fun drugs are untaxed and shitty alcohol and tobacco are?


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Re: why don't governments want us to do drugs* ? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 1
    #22150306 - 08/27/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

they take the blinders off of reality, allowing us to see everyday things, or comprehend everyday thoughts in a different light. 

They force you to question that everything you were taught is or was a lie, and that's a dangerous idea to some.  Those in control i mean to say.....


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Re: why don't governments want us to do drugs* ? [Re: psi] * 1
    #22150310 - 08/27/15 08:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Maybe they do want people to break those laws. It provides an excuse to expand police powers.




Well said :thumbup:


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    #22150491 - 08/27/15 09:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Maybe they do want people to break those laws. It provides an excuse to expand police powers.




Well said :thumbup:




There's something to be said for that, yeah. But even taking that into acount, it is really weird how our governments deal with drugs. Especially my government, the glorious Dutch band of ministers and their cohorts asociates.


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Re: why don't governments want us to do drugs* ? [Re: Turtletotem]
    #22156176 - 08/28/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

all good stuff there, thanks folks I apperciate your input

It's certainly an interesting rabbit hole to explore down, and a frustrating one because it all seems like utter bullshit.

but hey, that's rulers for you eh?

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Re: why don't governments want us to do drugs* ? [Re: keeno]
    #22156304 - 08/28/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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all good stuff there, thanks folks I apperciate your input

It's certainly an interesting rabbit hole to explore down, and a frustrating one because it all seems like utter bullshit.

but hey, that's rulers for you eh?

:nojustno:
just there to gently fuck you over and take your money




Not to mention, the prohibition of drugs makes certain elite people an incredible amount of money, coke, heroin, ect, aren't worth much until it becomes illegal.


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    #22156392 - 08/28/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: why don't governments want us to do drugs* ? [Re: keeno]
    #22156410 - 08/28/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

cuz they want all the drugs to themselves, so they leave us the shit drugs like booze and cigarettes.


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Re: why don't governments want us to do drugs* ? [Re: Achillita] * 2
    #22156427 - 08/28/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The reasons given in this thread are good ones. There are a few more. They banned pot mainly because of hearst and his campaign against it, said it made the negroes violent. Opiates were banned for good reasons though treating addicts makes more sense than locking them up.

Why are so many drugs still banned even though like pot they have been found to have medicinal properties? Because of the hidden reason, the big money people. Not just the for profit prison system, but because big pharma does not want you to have pot which would mean less need for their nasty drugs with major side effects and addictive profiles. More pot = less oxycontin, less dilaudid sold etc. Then you have the alcohol interests who do not want to lose money. And even big tobacco  who would lose some cash. Those industries have major bucks and money controls our govt. End of story


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    #22156496 - 08/28/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

IMO, the main reason psychedelics are banned because of fear.


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    #22156521 - 08/28/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The reasons given in this thread are good ones. There are a few more. They banned pot mainly because of hearst and his campaign against it, said it made the negroes violent. Opiates were banned for good reasons though treating addicts makes more sense than locking them up.

Why are so many drugs still banned even though like pot they have been found to have medicinal properties? Because of the hidden reason, the big money people. Not just the for profit prison system, but because big pharma does not want you to have pot which would mean less need for their nasty drugs with major side effects and addictive profiles. More pot = less oxycontin, less dilaudid sold etc. Then you have the alcohol interests who do not want to lose money. And even big tobacco  who would lose some cash. Those industries have major bucks and money controls our govt. End of story




This is so true. Organizations like the DEA also profit huge from prohibition. Not to mention that they are trading guns for money with the Cartels down in Mexico. It all comes down to economics. Supply and demand. Illegal drugs causes less supply and more demand, so the money involved goes up. It is purely an issue of money. All the bullshit propaganda tries to hide this. But, it is plain and simple. There is too much money tied up in prohibition to end it.


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Re: why don't governments want us to do drugs* ? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #22156601 - 08/28/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

it's not just drugs, the people in gov want total control, think about a mother, then think about 1 million mothers, and of course they smother the baby and it dies.


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    #22181737 - 09/03/15 05:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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IMO, the main reason psychedelics are banned because of fear.




fear of?


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