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Keeping things warm in the winter.
    #22144699 - 08/26/15 07:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've searched and haven't found a solution to my problem besides using space heaters, which will cost an arm and a leg.

I'm planning a grow soon. I live in Japan and it's perfect temperatures for growing now, but I may not get my spores until October. It Starts to get cold then. Usually snows around December. Problem is Japanese houses aren't insulated and there is no central heating, so houses easily get into the 40's and lower in the winter. We either have to use the AC's heater option, which the electricity uses up a lot, or gas heaters, which automatically turn off ever couple of hours. Either option would not be cheap. Using a space heater is the same if not more expensive than using the AC's heater and only heats things directly in front of it.

I have a small grow box. About a foot and a half to 2 feet tall and about 9"wide. It gets pretty warm in there and can use an incubation bulb when I have the lights off to keep things warm. It also has a built in scrubber that sucks air in from the bottom.

I was wondering if I made a small SGFC that can hold up to 4 cakes and stick it in there lifted, would there be enough FAE? If not would putting a couples PC fans under the SGFC be enough?

Also would I follow the same rules on drilling holes every 2 inches for the SGFC for something that small?


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Re: Keeping things warm in the winter. [Re: phangtonpower]
    #22144873 - 08/26/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ya I believe you use the same hole pattern regardless of size or shape.

No insulation?  That's pretty lame

Is an incubation bulb the same as those ceramic reptile heating bulb?
Idk how much energy those consume but 2 of those on opposite sides would probably work.
I wouldn't put them to close though


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Re: Keeping things warm in the winter. [Re: smokythebear]
    #22145097 - 08/26/15 09:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Kinda like the ones for reptiles. I actually have an African gray parrot and use another for it's sleeping cage. It's made for birds. It looks more like a light bulb, but doesn't emit any light.

I think they don't use insulation here so you don't get carbon monoxide poisoning from the gas heaters. It let's the houses breath easier. Also it gets really humid here in the summer and keeps the inside of walls from growing mold.


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Re: Keeping things warm in the winter. [Re: phangtonpower]
    #22145780 - 08/26/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I recommend emergency blankets or space blankets to reflect heat (of a space heater) do not try to enclose it though.

this is an old set up. notice the space heater & blanket position to colonizing stuff. knowing the heat will travel up I created a small half tunnel type deal there with the blanket. if you try this make your jars at least a foot away from the heater or they will have ruined moisture content. Also remember colonizing jars will be like 5 degrees warmer than the surrounding air (especially when more colonized) so the heater may not be nessecary always.



also better too cool than too hot for colonizing stuff :smile:

ps just grow tubs http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19357059


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Re: Keeping things warm in the winter. [Re: filthyknees]
    #22145900 - 08/26/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That's exactly how I keep our birds main cage warm except I have Plexi glass surrounding the cage and the heater next to it covered with a blanket, but I feel that an oil heater for fruiting only 4 cakes would be over kill. Plus my electric bill in the winter is almost $400, and my house is not big at all!!

I'm not too worried about colonizing jars, it's fruiting I'm worried about.

It's been over 15 years since the last time I grew, but my fruiting chamber back then using PK cakes was an old Styrofoam cooler with windows on top an one on the side. I kept it warm with an aquarium heater submersed in a jar of water. Is the shotgun method really that much better?

Edit: Oil heaters actually do nothing in my house but waste energy. Only reason why it works for the cage is I can contain it some how, but sure it's not efficient at all.


Edited by phangtonpower (08/26/15 11:35 AM)


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Re: Keeping things warm in the winter. [Re: phangtonpower]
    #22154864 - 08/28/15 03:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Any other thoughts??

If I have no option but to heat a room, what is the smallest size room I can get away with while still being able to provide FAE?


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Re: Keeping things warm in the winter. [Re: phangtonpower]
    #22154875 - 08/28/15 03:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'd use a heating pad with a styrofoam cooler.  No sense heating an entire room.  You'll have to experiment a bit to get the temperature constant.  Use extra blankets, comforters, newspapers, whatever you need to insulate the cooler and keep the temperature constant.

Some people like to use reptile mats.  You'll have to see what's available in your country.

A closet might be better for you, if that's an option.


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Re: Keeping things warm in the winter. [Re: ShroominMe]
    #22154939 - 08/28/15 05:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You can fruit in temps as low as 65F. Colder than that might be an issue. Since a SGFC needs to use a rooms natural currents you can't put it in a box or it won't function properly. Heating the room not the chamber is what we usually tell people. If your house gets down to 40f you are gonna have a very hard time growing a tropical species.


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Re: Keeping things warm in the winter. [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22155328 - 08/28/15 08:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What would be the minimum size of a room?

Looks like I should do the old school Styrofoam cooler method with perlite if I can't do a Shotgun .

I'm not too positive on the prints I'm receiving, so I want to do one grow to see how they are and take better prints if I can before winter comes.

I also live next to a 400 year old shrine and always wanted to have a little trip during snowfall when I can't go anywhere :smile:


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Re: Keeping things warm in the winter. [Re: phangtonpower]
    #22155591 - 08/28/15 09:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Using fluorescent 6500K lights close to the chamber could help a little to warm up the room. Also, you may consider using a monotub next time you decide to grow at those temps, inside the monotub is like 10º hotter than the room outside... so that would help too, and if you put fluorescent lights close to the monotub may help a few º more.


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Re: Keeping things warm in the winter. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #22156019 - 08/28/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That's why I wanted to use my grow box. It has over 100 watts of CFLs in a small box so it gets pretty warm in there even in winter. I just don't know if it's too small for FAE even if the scrubber is going.

I've considered doing a mono tub, but I want to try and do what I've done before experimenting with other techniques.


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Re: Keeping things warm in the winter. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #22156022 - 08/28/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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Using fluorescent 6500K lights close to the chamber could help a little to warm up the room. Also, you may consider using a monotub next time you decide to grow at those temps, inside the monotub is like 10º hotter than the room outside... so that would help too, and if you put fluorescent lights close to the monotub may help a few º more.



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Re: Keeping things warm in the winter. [Re: taGyo]
    #22156042 - 08/28/15 11:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Pastywhyte said:
You can fruit in temps as low as 65F. Colder than that might be an issue. Since a SGFC needs to use a rooms natural currents you can't put it in a box or it won't function properly. Heating the room not the chamber is what we usually tell people. If your house gets down to 40f you are gonna have a very hard time growing a tropical species.



Quote:

taGyo said:
Quote:

Mr. Alien said:
Using fluorescent 6500K lights close to the chamber could help a little to warm up the room. Also, you may consider using a monotub next time you decide to grow at those temps, inside the monotub is like 10º hotter than the room outside... so that would help too, and if you put fluorescent lights close to the monotub may help a few º more.



Hi Alien!

:wave:

I was just talking about you.




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Where? I want to get in that party too.


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Re: Keeping things warm in the winter. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #22156051 - 08/28/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

AAW, are you not in? PM Azur or Srirachi brotha!


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Re: Keeping things warm in the winter. [Re: taGyo]
    #22164048 - 08/30/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I know it's not the best, but doing more research I've decided doing a PMP.
I was happy with the results in the past, so hopefully wont be disappointed.

I'm going to try and do a dozen cakes. Hopefully I'll get a few jars going. Enough for me and a few buddies for winter and hopefully a better print.

When the weather gets better I'll have more time to experiment doing SGFC, monotubs, and outside grows.

The weather is perfect here when it's not super cold. It's so wet and humid here that when it does snow, it's very watery compared to other places in Japan  according to locals. Being from southern Cali, I don't know the difference.


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Re: Keeping things warm in the winter. [Re: phangtonpower]
    #22164323 - 08/30/15 11:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Enjoy I guess :shrug:

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Then think outside the box and build a shotgun terrarium which fixes all the problems with outdated PMPs and does so with natural air currents.

The problem with PMPs was and is the steady-state humidity.  Mycelium wants a varying humidity level to pin and fruit properly.  A shotgun terrarium goes through these daily oscillations as the temp and humidity in the room its in changes throughout the day.  A PMP is isolated from these changes, thus develops a steady saturation-humidity level which impedes pinning and growth.

Take a quick look at all the so-called 'automated terrariums' over the last ten years via the search function and try to find one single grower who is still using one.
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Re: Keeping things warm in the winter. [Re: taGyo]
    #22165385 - 08/30/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I get that, but the only way to heat shotgun is by heating the room. When your house is in the low 40's ain't nothing going to grow.

After researching for a while, the only grow that I have come across in Japan was done in a PMP because I'm sure he was having to fight the cold too.


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Re: Keeping things warm in the winter. [Re: phangtonpower]
    #22165539 - 08/30/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

TBH man I'm gonna say that the easiest thing might be for you to grow when you can. PMPs are finicky enough,  I can't imagine trying to throw in the variable of heating one and not having more fail than harvest.

Lots of people avoid growing at certain times of year for a variety of reasons. The best advice I can think to give you is to grow when its suitable and enjoy the fruits of your labours when its not. At any rate I wish you luck :thumbup:


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Re: Keeping things warm in the winter. [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22165617 - 08/30/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you.

In all honestly I'm not trying to do a grow Winter. Hopefully I get the print soon. It's just that with the weather so unpredictable here now a days, I want to be ready for worst case scenario.

I probably wont be able to fruit until late October early November. Average cold would be in the 50's and highs 60's.

I may still do SGFC if it's not too cold indoors.

Just over thinking everything right now.


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Re: Keeping things warm in the winter. [Re: phangtonpower]
    #22167910 - 08/31/15 07:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Do a monotub,it will be warmer than a SHFC.


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