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Urist
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How to take Kratom with stomach problems.
#22143977 - 08/25/15 11:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok so ive had horrible nausea and pain gor out a week due to concurrent appendicitis and cholecystitis. Opiates have been getting me through the day while I wait for surhery to be scheduled, unfortunately Im running out and I hate asking for pain meds because I have social anxiety and my nervousness is usually misconstrued as drug-seeking. So I ordered Kratom, which I was going to do for recreational purposes but this pain pushed me to finally order it (the only opiate I actually enjoy taking semi-regularly). My problem is that I keep puking up everything I try yo eat besides rice and yogurt....so eating the leaf powder is out of the question...Ive heard very hazy reports of tea working and Id like some advice from my fellow shroomerites.
(Sorry if I'm rambling, took the last of my oxy like an hour ago)
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Re: How to take Kratom with stomach problems. [Re: Urist] 1
#22144204 - 08/26/15 01:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Viva Zen might work better. Let me warn you it is some serious shit. I took two of those... BAD idea. I man... the spins.. physically sick, I turned ghost white.
Its a kratom extract drink sold over the counter at some convenience stores or online. You would think Smoking weed when messed up would help.. tried to smoke weed on it.. It made me spin more... I felt so sick for the rest of the night. Use with caution...
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Re: How to take Kratom with stomach problems. [Re: Urist]
#22144239 - 08/26/15 01:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you can eat rice and yogurt why is eating the leaf matter out of the question? If it's just like the taste or consistency or something that keeps making you puke, you could try capsules.
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Re: How to take Kratom with stomach problems. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22144497 - 08/26/15 04:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Kratom mixed in with yogurt that's the way I do it. It's an alien gray (grey?) color (colour?) but it gets it down the hatch fast with a big spoon.
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Re: How to take Kratom with stomach problems. [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
#22144609 - 08/26/15 06:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok so ive had horrible nausea and pain for out a week due to concurrent appendicitis and cholecystitis. Opiates have been getting me through... I hate asking for pain meds because I have social anxiety and my nervousness is usually misconstrued as drug-seeking.
When is surgery? Getting pain meds from a Dr or hosp. shouldn't be a problem. I'd be crying like a bitch if the pain is that bad. However, when my appendix started acting up, they took it out the next day. Quote:
... I keep puking up everything I try yo eat besides rice and yogurt....so eating the leaf powder is out of the question...Ive heard very hazy reports of tea working ...
I never tried tea, I just eat my caps by the dozen, though I've always had a strong stomach when it comes to dope, booze, krat, other pills. I wouldn't consume the amount of krat you'd need to be taking for that much pain relief if my gut was fucked up. Not sure how your gallbladder feels about this, either.
...Also, The things I learn at Shroomery. Never heard of Vivazen, though I'm not surprised that somebody is selling it as a drink in the bathsalt isle at some gas stations. This was a good read. http://supplementpolice.com/vivazen/
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Vivazen never discloses its full list of ingredients or the specific dosages included within the supplement. That may be worrying for those of you who get concerned about what you’re putting into your body.
Nevertheless, here are the ingredients included in each bottle of Vivazen:
— Herbal Extracts: White willow, passion flower, California poppy, and kratom extracts.
— Other Ingredients: De-ionized water, sucrose, propylene glycol, potassium sorbate, and citric acid.
... Vivazen, like most nutritional supplements sold in the United States, has not been regulated or approved by the FDA.
Kratom is legal in most but not all of the United States. Vivazen hasn’t referenced this fact on its official website, however, which makes it seem like you can get kratom in certain banned states if you’re willing to take a risk.
For reference, kratom is banned in all of the following states: Wisconsin, Indiana, Tennessee, and Vermont.
Some states are actively trying to pass anti-kratom legislation as well, so keep up-to-date on your local news and research before you order.
Vivazen, which is a kratom-based supplement and not strictly kratom powder, does not appear to have been banned or regulated yet, but that may change in the near future. At this point, it appears you can order it throughout the United States...
$6. each on line, even buying bulk.
If you're gonna eat it, yogurt probably is the best bet...
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Re: How to take Kratom with stomach problems. [Re: vinsue]
#22144615 - 08/26/15 06:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was given a little bottle just like Vivazen but under a different name as a sample a few months back. It was also a kratom extract drink.
I had a very slight tolerance to kratom at that time, but I drank the entire bottle and barely felt it. It was comparable to eating 1-2 grams max of powdered leaf. Not worth it at all.
I'm not sure if Vivazen maybe has a higher concentration of Kratom but I certainly won't be ingesting that stuff again.
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Re: How to take Kratom with stomach problems. [Re: kr0nik0]
#22144634 - 08/26/15 06:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I take 5-10 grams a day in capsules and if I drink 2 vivazen alone I'm pretty fucked up. It's the closest thing to actual opiates I've experienced from kratom. I've tried another brand just recently and it was like you described super weak.
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Re: How to take Kratom with stomach problems. [Re: kr0nik0] 1
#22144653 - 08/26/15 06:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: How to take Kratom with stomach problems. [Re: WyoMX]
#22144655 - 08/26/15 06:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I never really thought viva zen worked that well, when i tried it i drank 2 with oj, probly felt like 3-4 grams of dome(my personal slang for kratom) at most. Also the second time i try it, i got very sharp chedt pains. I drank a little bit and got that pain you sometimes get where breathing intensifies the pain, until it almost pops then the pain is gone, except breathing had no effect to make the pain pass. Just had to wait 10 minutes and it stopped. I waited ten ninutes after the pain left, then drank a little less than before and the pain came back.
Idk take from that what you will, but i personally find powder or capsules to be the only worthwhile method.
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Cost effective too...
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Re: How to take Kratom with stomach problems. [Re: vinsue]
#22145178 - 08/26/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ya im just speaking from my personal experience but having said that i dont buy vivazen that often at all it is just to much when i can get either 5 vivazen or 250 grams of Krat for the same price you'd be a fool not to buy the powder.
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You ever asked for some dome at the head shop before? What were the responses?
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Re: How to take Kratom with stomach problems. [Re: abltsandwich]
#22146058 - 08/26/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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abltsandwich said: You ever asked for some dome at the head shop before? What were the responses?
Fuck no lol. I should though, i try not to buy it at the headshops because of price.
Actually yeah i have once, but i know the guy pretty well there, and its the only thing i buy from there, so i could have called it anything and he would have had it out for me.
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Re: How to take Kratom with stomach problems. [Re: morrowasted]
#22146065 - 08/26/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: Step one: don't Step two: profit
The most boring advice I've ever read.
But still true and good advice.
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I'm not sure about putting it in yogurt...I'd still have the same problem of having indigestible plant material in my stomach. I can eat food just fine, but a few minutes later I get a horrible, burning pain as bile is dumped into my stomach. This usually ends with me throwing up and then dry heaving even after my stomach is empty. So not having a lot of solids in my stomach is kinda the point of my question. Tea or CWE would be ideal but I don't know if Mitragynine is very soluble...
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Re: How to take Kratom with stomach problems. [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
#22147644 - 08/26/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dr.Wongburger said: Viva Zen might work better. Let me warn you it is some serious shit. I took two of those... BAD idea. I man... the spins.. physically sick, I turned ghost white.
Its a kratom extract drink sold over the counter at some convenience stores or online. You would think Smoking weed when messed up would help.. tried to smoke weed on it.. It made me spin more... I felt so sick for the rest of the night. Use with caution...

A pox on the fuckers who would sell kratom in convenience stores in this kind of political climate towards drugs.
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Re: How to take Kratom with stomach problems. [Re: propensity]
#22148206 - 08/26/15 06:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Plugging?
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LuSiD enthusiast said: Plugging? 

Dilute in some water and shoot it up there
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Re: How to take Kratom with stomach problems. [Re: JvF]
#22148343 - 08/26/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've never had a Vivazen before... this has my curious interest..
I dunno if you can plug kratom... don't see why not? Maybe be better off adding some water and freezing it into a phallic shape..
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Re: How to take Kratom with stomach problems. [Re: JvF]
#22148415 - 08/26/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Kratom can be smoked, though it's not very effective. It tastes like ass, but just make some tea if you can't hold solids.
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