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vatman
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Mini Growroom setup inspired by eatyualive
#22143312 - 08/25/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I scrapped most of my old project and moved it to this one due to dryness issues. This one you could say is too wet. I've been playing with the dialing on the humidity. So I got it to sit at 60%-85% or 90%-93%... I know too much water can be bad for oysters. I didn't catch some water pooling at the bottom and the an oyster jumped out of it's hole and started growing in the water. I found this when I was spinning the bucket looking for pinning. Btw that was blue oysters.
The lion's mane like omg air fruit. The bag of oysters were put in on Sat or Sunday.
The King oysters and Blue oysters were put into fruiting conditions between the 17th-20th. I don't think I will see pins from them for anther week. Still hitting the 98s outside during the day so internal temps haven't really gone into the 60s during the day. Planning on trying to shock them tonight with leaving my swamp cooler on all night. (drops down to 53 at night.)
Water has hydrogen peroxide added to it and Iodine as recommend. I've been debating about adding in a UV-C water sterilizer in it too as seen Here.






eatyualive's thread can be found Here.
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Re: Mini Growroom setup inspired by eatyualive [Re: vatman]
#22145328 - 08/26/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nice! You have the same humidity/temp device as I do.
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Re: Mini Growroom setup inspired by eatyualive [Re: Humbled]
#22145764 - 08/26/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have fresh air forced in for a hour than off for 30. There are a few cycles of only 30 mins of fresh air. The filter is a 99.97 filter from Wal-Martn the filter cage is secure enough for me to remove the filter and install a new. As far as i can tell there is no leaks but I would need some leak check to know for sure. There is more than enough air flow so no need.
I'm debating on adding the uv-c to the resivor due to the fact having more than one type of sterlizer makes it harder for things to build resistance to sterilization with more than one method.
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Re: Mini Growroom setup inspired by eatyualive [Re: vatman]
#22145805 - 08/26/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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About the uv-c, are you saying that having more than one type of sterilization unit makes it harder for the mushrooms to build resistance to contamination?
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Re: Mini Growroom setup inspired by eatyualive [Re: Humbled]
#22146075 - 08/26/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Harder for bacteria and spores to build a chemical resistance. The uvc is a fish tank strtlizer. It's submerged in the water. This is to avoid growth in the ducting. A bacterial slime can grow or mold.
Doctors and labs will use multiple antibiotics/fungals to avoid breeding resistant bacteria or fungi infections. Aka you hear people who chemical pasteurized for long periods run into issues. They typically just use lime
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Re: Mini Growroom setup inspired by eatyualive [Re: vatman]
#22146110 - 08/26/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would probably go the route of more exposure to contams just so they do build resistance and produce their own antibiotics etc...
For the UV sterilizer, I agree with that because you may otherwise have more maintenance cleaning out that duct-work.
I would be scared to use antibiotics or antifungals on a regular basis because that's exactly the environment that creates 'superbugs'. I wouldnt wanna work in that sort of environment just for my own health's sake.
Sounds like you know what you're doing. I look forward to seeing how your grows turn out!!!
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Re: Mini Growroom setup inspired by eatyualive [Re: Humbled]
#22146488 - 08/26/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Multiple fungicides and antibiotics when used are to prevent super bugs. Uv-c can also be built a restaince to. My main concern is duct maintenance as they are difficult to clean.
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Re: Mini Growroom setup inspired by eatyualive [Re: vatman]
#22146547 - 08/26/15 01:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah that duct-work would be a pain to clean for sure.
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Re: Mini Growroom setup inspired by eatyualive [Re: Humbled]
#22146648 - 08/26/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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What I been thinking about doing for cleaning would be pouring boiling water down tge black duck to the resivor as that should be the only duct with growth. The brown duct should have almost no water in it. I haven't been able to observe if there backdraft in it.
The air housing has no condensation at all so I assume that end is good
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Re: Mini Growroom setup inspired by eatyualive [Re: vatman]
#22148503 - 08/26/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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good luck. might need to dial it in for the first run. 
how long did it take to get to 91?
also, this setup will work for multiple green houses. i believe i had about 6-8 martha stuart size shelves setup to one fogger unit.
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Re: Mini Growroom setup inspired by eatyualive [Re: eatyualive]
#22149123 - 08/26/15 09:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I know it goy up to 83 first run in about 5 minutes. Overall it's a really good at keeping high rh. Ive been playing with the wall timer the past few days. Trying to dail it in ect.
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Re: Mini Growroom setup inspired by eatyualive [Re: vatman]
#22224510 - 09/11/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm running into some issues here. It has been almost a month and I still down have fruits. I put one 5 gallon bucket into a trash bag and left it outside over night. (Gets down to 54F at night) still no luck. Also upgraded to a WH8040 for humidity control. The fan inside the tent is on a timer. Set to be on for 1 hour intervals and some half hour.







Edited by vatman (09/11/15 09:56 PM)
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Re: Mini Growroom setup inspired by eatyualive [Re: vatman]
#22227811 - 09/12/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Have you verified either of these cultures with previous fruit bodies? What conditions did it take last time to induce pinset if you did.
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Re: Mini Growroom setup inspired by eatyualive [Re: Gr0wer]
#22228282 - 09/12/15 05:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I know the king produces fruits. The blue should. Think ill have to wait till it gets cooler outside. Last time my place didn't have high 80s during the day. My place is not the most effective at keeping it cool. I've been thinking about putting ice in the water bucket reservoir.
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Re: Mini Growroom setup inspired by eatyualive [Re: vatman]
#22228557 - 09/12/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Having just switched away from buckets after a year, I can say they take for ever. Ours would average 5-6 weeks before fruiting and then fruit for 5-6 months off and on. I still have a few that survived the summer heat outside and are putting out a couple ounces every few days.
I'd be surprised if ambient humidity had anything to do with their fruiting since there is such a large mass of water in the bucket themselves. We found that nesting them in an undrilled bucket and checking them every few days was enough and only put them in the fogger room when they started to pin.
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Still no progress. Poped the lid and I'm seeing some pools of metabolites. Is this garden trash now?
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Re: Mini Growroom setup inspired by eatyualive [Re: vatman]
#22278060 - 09/23/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Spawn could have been contaminated.
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Quote:
moonlightmushrooms said: Having just switched away from buckets after a year, I can say they take for ever. Ours would average 5-6 weeks before fruiting and then fruit for 5-6 months off and on. I still have a few that survived the summer heat outside and are putting out a couple ounces every few days.
I'd be surprised if ambient humidity had anything to do with their fruiting since there is such a large mass of water in the bucket themselves. We found that nesting them in an undrilled bucket and checking them every few days was enough and only put them in the fogger room when they started to pin.
Ive also noticed my bags fruit much more freely than pails I wonder what the factors are? I actually did the same thing to get my current pails to fruit only i used drilled buckets with the holes offset from the substrate pail and with 1/4 of water in the bottom. I also placed them indoors and turned down my ac to 72. Also depending on your outside conditions you can place them outside when its cool and raining.
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Re: Mini Growroom setup inspired by eatyualive [Re: Gr0wer]
#22282938 - 09/24/15 09:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Think I should enlarge those holes?
They are fairly small for oysters from what I've been hearing too.
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Re: Mini Growroom setup inspired by eatyualive [Re: vatman]
#22288755 - 09/25/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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vatman said: Think I should enlarge those holes?
They are fairly small for oysters from what I've been hearing too.
We got large fruits from our 1/4" holed buckets. Have you checked the top? Is the mycilial mat thick and white? Does it sweet sweet/earthy? If so I'd just leave them alone, they'll fruit within a couple weeks
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Re: Mini Growroom setup inspired by eatyualive [Re: vatman]
#22290317 - 09/25/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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*disclaimer* I'm no expert but i do have about 4 oyster grows under my belt. Feel free to disregard if someone contradicts this info.
To me the mycelium in your picture looks very thick and consolidated which makes me think it's mature enough in age that it want's to fruit. lack of fruit point's to something environmentally being not quite right.
The top of your bucket with all the yellow pigmented liquid is as you said metabolites which are naturally produced by this species to fight off certain organisms. How ever the amount of it shows that its not happy/overly mature and that it's really trying to fight off contams until it can fruit.
Here is what i would do. Pull off the top's of all your lids and leave them off, Tilt the bucket and try to drain all the excess metabolites, then place them outside in a semi' shaded area and leave them. You mentioned cool nights which oysters love but the main benefit here is going to be the enormous boost of FAE compared to your indoor setup. In one week you should see fruit's, at that time begin watering with a garden hose liberally and make sure you have plenty of drainage on the bottom of your bucket so you can get another flush or two.
Hope this helps! GL
Edited by sandm_m4n (09/25/15 09:29 PM)
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Re: Mini Growroom setup inspired by eatyualive [Re: sandm_m4n]
#22290339 - 09/25/15 09:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was debating about getting a dry paper town and soaking it in.
I was also thinking about increasing the hole size with damaging the myc but the removal of tops could work too.
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Re: Mini Growroom setup inspired by eatyualive [Re: vatman]
#22290409 - 09/25/15 09:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Your hole size is fine. What you need to concentrate on (i think) is in this order.
#1 is improving FAE ( i think your main problem) I think it's this fresh air passing over your holes that really allows/tell's the oyster "hey i made it above ground/ out from this log time to fruit!"
#2 you need a good amount of light *unlike most other mushrooms that prefer really shady environment's. * again this tells the oyster that it made it out of the log and triggers pinning/fruits.
#3 and this seems to be the least important that i have observed unlike many other mushrooms i have grown is RH % Oyster dont give a damned about Rh they really just care about substrate moisture as long as the substrate is properly hydrated it's pretty happy. Once it flushes the substrate loves to be soaked with a garden hose etc. but until then don't add any water to it.
Edited by sandm_m4n (09/25/15 09:48 PM)
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Re: Mini Growroom setup inspired by eatyualive [Re: sandm_m4n]
#22290709 - 09/25/15 10:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just added this, it us a UV-C fish tank filter. My pump is Lauder than i'd want it to be.
Don't have it on a timmer atm. So it would be running 24/7
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008AJHUME?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00
Got it for 25 with free shipping price went up apparently. I know the airpump is not required just a tube out of the filter in air is what is recommend. I'm assuming the air pump would still work fine attached to the intake.
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Re: Mini Growroom setup inspired by eatyualive [Re: vatman]
#22304642 - 09/28/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't use any filtration or treatment in my water and haven't had any issues with agle or nothing. Once a day a timer kicks on a tiny aquarium pump that purges the reservoir for 30 min. This takes with it any built up minerals and gunk and allows the pails to fill with fresh chlorinated tap water. Once every 2-3 weeks i hose out and dump my pails and rinse my swamp cooler mesh.
Right pail is 3 ultrasonics with $7 swamp cooler float valve, left pail is DIY swamp cooler with purge valve. The right pail feeds the left pail via a section of 1/4 beerline poly tube that's shoved into a small hole, no barbs or fittings. My swamp cooler mesh has a surfactant on it that causes the ultrasonics to not work so two pails are necessary. I've used 80mm computer fans but there a bit small, a 120v 4" fan works well especially with a speed control.
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Re: Mini Growroom setup inspired by eatyualive [Re: Gr0wer]
#22309533 - 09/29/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well using it for increased fae mainly and mister puts light ibto the bucket so it's also just a small prevention
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Re: Mini Growroom setup inspired by eatyualive [Re: vatman]
#22310966 - 09/29/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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So still no fruits? Have you tried shocking them or placing outdoors when its cold and raining? One thing ive been doing to promote pinning is turn down my fan speed and bump humidity to 90% and drop the temps to 72-74. This is with phoenix oyster thou. Once i get pins ill bump up the FAE and drop humidity to 80-85
Edited by Gr0wer (09/29/15 09:06 PM)
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