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Learning to compost - need some clarifications
    #22142070 - 08/25/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hey there shroomery,

I'm looking to start composting my own straw so that I can grow Agaricus sp. and other
compost loving species. So far I've been doing background reading with Paul Stamets
"The Mushroom Cultivator" and there is a pretty good amount of knowledge in there that
has been useful to get an understanding of how this is going to work... HOWEVER

I have the following questions about substrates I need to use for a mushroom compost pile:

  • Does dry horse manure have the microbial capacity to promote proper composting?
  • If I were to go out to a horse ranch and pick-up some HPOO, should I be picking up fresh stuff that smells or the manure that has aged and has no smell?
  • In his book he has two recipes, the first being non-synthetic and HPOO based; He states to use 2,000 lbs. of horse manure. Earlier he states that for this recipe horse manure is actually a mix of 90% straw, 10% HPOO, and is just straw gathered in stables and littered with HPOO/HPEE. If I were to use bailed straw, should I then just add pure HPOO at 10% weight and wheat straw at 90% weight for his recipe?


Pics of some of my stuff I've been buying (note the compost area is 4' x4' x 4', and I will NOT be doing his entire 2,000 lb formula, but scale it down)



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Re: Learning to compost - need some clarifications [Re: mikesethnobotany]
    #22143492 - 08/25/15 10:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)



Great resource. Goes into detail on how to make compost correctly.

Some people make tumblers with 55 gallon drums.

People do add shellfish(just the shells) or egg shells to compost to add calcium.  Some people just manure and pipes sticking out of it for heat vents.


So your greens would be Hpoo and your brown would be Straw(not dry grass) fresh or old wouldn't matter for the Hpoo. Fresh you would just need less Hpoo I would say.


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Re: Learning to compost - need some clarifications [Re: vatman]
    #22143773 - 08/25/15 11:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Great resource. Goes into detail on how to make compost correctly.

Some people make tumblers with 55 gallon drums.

People do add shellfish(just the shells) or egg shells to compost to add calcium.  Some people just manure and pipes sticking out of it for heat vents.


So your greens would be Hpoo and your brown would be Straw(not dry grass) fresh or old wouldn't matter for the Hpoo. Fresh you would just need less Hpoo I would say.




Hey thanks, I actually just watched that video recently!

I know plenty about the other ingredients, as my post stated, I mainly want to know if it is
acceptable to use dried HPOO as a base ingredient for mushroom composting. Have you
made your own compost for mushrooms and had success with both dried and fresh
HPOO? Just curious since you say it doesn't matter.


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Re: Learning to compost - need some clarifications [Re: mikesethnobotany]
    #22144576 - 08/26/15 05:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

your going to have to rehydrate your hpoo. Fresh Hpoo is typically what is used. There shouldn't be an issue using dry. Most people use fresh. Just may need to work ratios between dry/leeched and vs fresh.

Egg shell resource. Note they don't need to be ground up.
http://www.compostjunkie.com/compost-eggshells.html

These setups are for people mostly who can't use a pitchfork every few days to mix up a compost. They are not more effective that your traditional compost.
http://www.compostjunkie.com/compost-tumblers.html


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Re: Learning to compost - need some clarifications [Re: vatman]
    #22146084 - 08/26/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

How do people mix fresh HPOO evenly into their straw? Is there a method for this?


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Re: Learning to compost - need some clarifications [Re: mikesethnobotany] * 1
    #22146753 - 08/26/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It seems like you would have to spread out your straw, toss on the HPOO, and fork it into a mound. After that, just continue on forking and flipping your previously made pile over to a new pile.

When I mix up woodchips with soil and slow-release ferts, that is basically how I do it to get an even distribution except I use a flat shovel instead of a pitchfork.

I've never made my own compost before so take my words with a grain of salt. I wish you good vibes and great results with your project.:rockon:


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Re: Learning to compost - need some clarifications [Re: Humbled]
    #22147795 - 08/26/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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It seems like you would have to spread out your straw, toss on the HPOO, and fork it into a mound. After that, just continue on forking and flipping your previously made pile over to a new pile.

When I mix up woodchips with soil and slow-release ferts, that is basically how I do it to get an even distribution except I use a flat shovel instead of a pitchfork.

I've never made my own compost before so take my words with a grain of salt. I wish you good vibes and great results with your project.:rockon:




Thanks for the encouragement and tips brother.


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Re: Learning to compost - need some clarifications [Re: mikesethnobotany]
    #22149049 - 08/26/15 09:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Its best to have multiple piles or bins. Then you transfer from one bin to the next to turn the pile. A method i used for garden composting is a simple heap with no containment and slowly move the heap over down a line, then start a new pile once the first pile is cleared the first location. Keep the pile at least 3' tall and 4-6' wide so it can build up heat. When you start a new pile take some finished compost and mix a shovel full into the new pile to inoculate all the microbes in the new pile.


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Re: Learning to compost - need some clarifications [Re: Gr0wer]
    #22149511 - 08/26/15 11:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the advice guys, I really do appreciate it. Anyone have any info about the
fresh vs dry HPOO for composting? Does everyone agree with vatman in that it doesnt
make a difference?

I'm thinking that if my first pile goes well I will make a composting tek since there seems
to be none of those around.


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Re: Learning to compost - need some clarifications [Re: mikesethnobotany]
    #22149863 - 08/27/15 03:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If properly hydrated, fresh VS. dry HPOO shouldnt make much of a difference in the correct ratio to other composting materials.

Once again, I've never done this myself but I have read what Stamets has to say about methods for composting. I'm sure if it were a very important detail, he would have had a say about it.:shrug:


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Re: Learning to compost - need some clarifications [Re: Humbled]
    #22150186 - 08/27/15 07:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well fresh vs leeched should be diffrent due to different nitrogen levels. Both should work fine. Compost you don't need exact ratios. If it starts to smell moldy just add more cardboard straw or w.e.  Just turn it with a pitch for everyday or few days it will be fine just keep an eye out for off smells


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Re: Learning to compost - need some clarifications [Re: vatman]
    #22150806 - 08/27/15 10:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Alright well thanks guys. I'm not concerned about C:N ratios though. Here is my first bullet
point from above

"Does dry horse manure have the microbial capacity to promote proper composting? "


Here is why I ask...

"The reason horse manure is favored for making compost is the fact that fully 30-40% of
the droppings are comprised of living microorganisms. These microorganisms accelerate
the composting process, thereby giving horse manure a decided advantage over other
raw materials."

-Stamets, The Mushroom Cultivator



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Re: Learning to compost - need some clarifications [Re: mikesethnobotany] * 1
    #22151157 - 08/27/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Dry manure should still have billions of beneficial microbes unless it was kiln dried.


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Re: Learning to compost - need some clarifications [Re: Gr0wer]
    #22151954 - 08/27/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Dry manure should still have billions of beneficial microbes unless it was kiln dried.




Thank you sir! Exactly what I wanted to know

Just out of curiosity, what is kiln dried?


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Re: Learning to compost - need some clarifications [Re: mikesethnobotany]
    #22152090 - 08/27/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Like fired over a heat source till dried. If its sun dried you should be fine.


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Re: Learning to compost - need some clarifications [Re: Gr0wer]
    #22152524 - 08/27/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Microbes Will get to you regardless. I missed that in your first post. something that hasn't been thermaled out like gr0wer says would be best.

I know people use pvc vents for their compost to prevent thermal death of microbes in the center of the compost. I haven't done enough research on that to say if it helps. To get an idea how hit compst gets in the center hippies have been known to use it to heat their shower water in winter.

Adding other scraps like vegis and fruits help with diversity.

Light reading on thermal vents https://wegotleaves.wordpress.com/2013/08/14/maintaining-airflow-in-compost/


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Re: Learning to compost - need some clarifications [Re: vatman]
    #22152904 - 08/27/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the info vat. I have heard that with smaller compost piles at home it is actually
difficult to get your pile to a high enough temperature. I don't think I want to install any
thermal vents to decrease the temperature. Without proper heat the bad bacteria
would stick around according to Stamets.

Anyways, case closed. Thanks everyone for their inputs. I will be making a Tek on
compost sooner or later so stay tuned !


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Re: Learning to compost - need some clarifications [Re: mikesethnobotany]
    #22153742 - 08/27/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i've laid down perforated 4" drainage pipe under my heaps before, it was more of using what i hand than going out to buy some for this purpose. Though it works well i didn't notice a huge difference and the pipes are a pita to pitchfork around.


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