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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: NumeroEno]
    #22211265 - 09/09/15 08:54 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

good question.  i am only guessing mine is fro 00-01 cause i bought it 2 years ago, and when i asked the guy when he got it, he said "12 years ago".

where is the serial number?


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: blindingleaf]
    #22211298 - 09/09/15 09:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

On my 25x it's right above the thermostat knob. No idea where it would be on stovetop models.


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: NumeroEno]
    #22211331 - 09/09/15 09:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think the pressure cookers have serial numbers. The sterilizer has working parts, so maybe it's required to have a serial number


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: tahoe]
    #22213200 - 09/09/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

OK...so I went out and bought a 1/8NPT tap and when I got home from work, put some cutting oil on it, advanced it with no problem, and it came out looking mighty clean.  Then I took the threaded shard of the control valve that I'd previuosly broke (my new one is scheduled to arrive tomorrow) and guess what?  It won't thread.  Period.

I have now come to the unshakeable conclusion that the part (at least the one sold by the vendor I used) is utterly incompatible in some way with the AA 921.  My PC is less than 7 years old.  The original part goes in and out like butter.  The control valve I purchased won't go more than 1/2 turn before it seizes solid.  Go figure.  I guess I'll call them in the morning, tell them what I've found, and return the "new" valve unopened.  Kinda bummed I spent all this time, money and energy for zero gain.  :mad2:

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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Nature Boy]
    #22213452 - 09/09/15 05:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Nature boy. No way. Please delete the anything mushroom reference. How deep are you running the tap in to the hole?  Go deep enough that the tip is poking through the bottom of the lid. The pipe thread will get tighter the deeper it goes in. It's not like a regular screw/nut. Read the print on the broken valve. It should read like the pic I posted above. Post pics of the threads on the broken valve, the tap, and the stamping on the valve. I want to believe that they all say 1/8th npt on them. The valve is made by Kingston, they do not make shit. This is very odd.


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: tahoe]
    #22213738 - 09/09/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I edited.  And no, it DOESN'T read the same.  Yours says 122 "WENP"  Mine says 122 "WP".  I'll try and get a decent image of it.  Also, the manner in which the labeling is stamped is wholly different...and done pretty poorly compared to yours.  The letters and numbers don't even line up.  Maybe it's an imitation - some kind of knock-off???  That "difference" aside (which probably is meaningless if it is a legit Kingston part) does not explain why it won't even START to thread.  I mean 1/2 turn??  'Cmon now.

If I ream my lid out with the tap more than 1 - 2 more turns, my original part (which is the only thing keeping my lid functional at the moment) will thread so deep it will bottom out, and probably leak.  Not going to do that.  Lets see what arrives tomorrow and what that fitment is like before I ruin a fully functional PC lid.

And just for a point of reference, I'm in my 60's and I know my way around a shop and tools VERY well.  If this was manufactured to work as it should, I could make it work in a heartbeat.

EDIT:  Here's a pix:



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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Nature Boy]
    #22214561 - 09/09/15 09:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Nature boy. Gotcha. That is a tad different than mine. I wonder what is up with that. I am also thinking that the weighted vent is different than the release valve. Even though the email from aa said that they are the same.
I have nothing to compare it to though. My vent was rusted and the threads were hammered.
Will you lay the threads from the weighted vent next to and line up with the threads of the release vent? See if they mesh up.

Man, so much for my aa upgrade thread.


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Nature Boy]
    #22214567 - 09/09/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

well shoot, thats the model of PC I have :sad:


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: tahoe]
    #22214571 - 09/09/15 09:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i think the upgrade is worth it and so is the thread.

although for newer models, i don't know why it wouldn't work (like in NB's case).  it screwed into my 941 just fine, w/o even tapping.  the 921 was weird, can't explain that except to say its older, possible thread size is different, tapping did not help.


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: blindingleaf]
    #22214587 - 09/09/15 10:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

There any reason to do this since my 941 pulls and holds a vacuum for 24 hrs as is?


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: maddchef]
    #22214596 - 09/09/15 10:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i use an electric hot plate for my 941, so for me, even though the weight held a vacuum, i found it a good thing because i could use less water initially.  less water= faster heat up and exhaust time = turn off is quicker.

if u use open flame, maybe it is negligible.


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: tahoe] * 1
    #22215442 - 09/10/15 04:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Nature boy. Gotcha. That is a tad different than mine. I wonder what is up with that.

Man, so much for my aa upgrade thread.




I was laying in bed last night thinking your vent just says "Kingston" and my vent says "F.C" Kingston.  As in "From China."  :rofl2:

Yours is constructed from what looks like much more robust material.  And like I said, mine seems cheaply made and sloppily stamped by comparison.

And I gotta agree with blindingleaf.  This thread IS worth it.  This is a very desirable upgrade IMHO and why I'm working so hard and will continue spending my time and money to make it happen.  I don't regret undertaking this as a project...I just thought it was going to be a helluva lot easier.  Like screwing in a light bulb.  Evidently not if you have a 921.  :shrug:

I sent this to the Kingston Tech support folks:  I have an All American pressure cooker Model 921 and I'm trying to install your valve model 122WP with no success (won't thread) even though AA says this is the correct valve.  Others have successfully used the 122WENP - however mine is stamped 122WP.  I've run a 1/8NPT tap thru the aluminum...no help.  Can you please advise?

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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Nature Boy]
    #22215618 - 09/10/15 06:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

cool.  let us know what u hear back from them.

the new 921 lid i ordered already shipped, so hopefully ill get it tomorrow or saturday, and hopefully that will help the story unfold about size of female exhaust vent


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: tahoe]
    #22216382 - 09/10/15 11:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ok, this is interesting...

So, the first 2 control valves I ordered I got from allamericancanner. The 3rd one I ordered that the deflector shield broke on was from the same place Nature Boy got his. The stamping on them is deffinatley different. I can't get a decent picture of this shit.

The ones from allamericancanner look like the valve Tahoe has. However, I was only able to thread those into my newer 921 & 930 a couple turns, the base of the threads does not stick out of the bottom of the lid, not even close. I also wrenched down hard on these with vise grips wrapped with some thick paper, the grips shredded through the paper and jacked up the surface of the unit a bit. So I was putting a ton of force into it and those valves did not shatter. This last one that's broken doesn't even have the same stamping as Nature Boy's. It is slightly different. It reads:

F.C. Kingston Co.
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122W    026    1/8    L13

I managed to just now get a good shot of the stamping on this piece.




Here are the 2 different valves side by side, I didn't feel like uninstalling the valve from AAC from my 921 in this pic. I couldn't get the focus to show the stamping very well. But, you can see the one on the right, same source as Nature Boy, has a bigger font. You can see that I jacked up the bolt surface of the  one on the left with the vice grips.



:freshwtf:  Is up with the fitment of these things even with seemingly legit valves?

I will try to get some better pics of the valves from AAC tonight. I emailed the company I received the broken valve from the other day, they responded one hour ago letting me know they were sending me another one. They said in their email "These are fairly beefy, so I’m surprised the welds came loose like that!" However, after looking closely, the deflector shields are not welded in place. They appear to be pressed in place.

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I just thought it was going to be a helluva lot easier.  Like screwing in a light bulb.  Evidently not if you have a 921.



It should be about that easy. You may wanna try a valve from AAC on your 921, I was able to at least get a few threads secured with the ones I got from there on my 921. The valves are more expensive there, but I guess this case is a get what you pay for case.


I have not removed the old school stopcock from my 941 yet. No point with a broken valve. I'm gonna take this valve to the hardware store and find a big deep socket that will fit over this thing, should be the same size as the old school one and will help for removal of that one.

So now I'm not sure if I should just order another valve from AAC for my 941 instead of using the replacement that's on the way. Fuckin hell.


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When I get some more time on my hands I will remove and plug up the safety valve. Then hook it up to an air compressor and pump it up until the blow out plug goes. I will make a vid with the go pro. It might not be that impressive because it will lack the surprise and 275 degree steam. But it will be nice to have an idea of what happens.



I would really like to see this.

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I was laying in bed last night thinking your vent just says "Kingston" and my vent says "F.C" Kingston.  As in "From China."  :rofl2:




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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Juiceh]
    #22216508 - 09/10/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Huh...that IS interesting.  Meanwhile, I found THIS valve.  I really like the design of it.  No chance to break off any silly, flimsy posts.  http://www.sterilizerusa.com/all-american-sterilizer-65k-control-valve.html

It's pricey, of course.  Notice how they NEVER mention that it fits the 921!  WTF is up with that?  An AA PC is an AA PC, right?  Maybe NOT?!

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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Nature Boy]
    #22216538 - 09/10/15 11:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That is the old model of sterilizer valve. When I ordered my first 2 valve I was trying to get the old model like that one. The vendor sent me the new ones even though at the time they had the old valve pictured. So you're pretty much guaranteed not to get the valve in that picture, I don't think they are available anymore.. The model number for the old model was just 65. The new models are 65K, which that ad lists as 65K.


Of course the valve doesn't list the 921 in the listing. The 921 is a canner\cooker, not a sterilizer model. They don't list any canner\cooker models. They don't advertise that these things will fit in the canner lids for liability reasons.


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Juiceh]
    #22216920 - 09/10/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm gonna take this valve to the hardware store and find a big deep socket that will fit over this thing, should be the same size as the old school one and will help for removal of that one.



Found this at Home depot. 11/16" Deep Impact Socket.





Deep enough to slide the whole valve in with the valve open and switch upright. I'm not fucking up the next valve with the vice grips again! Though, apparently I may shatter the valve. :facepalm:

This should work nicely to remove the old valve from my 941. I'm gonna disassemble that valve and give it a good cleaning and save it as a backup.


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Juiceh]
    #22217009 - 09/10/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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That is the old model of sterilizer valve. When I ordered my first 2 valve I was trying to get the old model like that one. The vendor sent me the new ones even though at the time they had the old valve pictured. So you're pretty much guaranteed not to get the valve in that picture, I don't think they are available anymore.




Oh, man...too bad.  Glad I didn't rush into plunking down more $$$ just to be disappointed.  Thanks for the heads up on that AND the info on the canner vs. sterilizer.  Seems to be a distinction without a difference to me...until you try and install one of these valves! :lol:

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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Nature Boy]
    #22217368 - 09/10/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Wow this has turned into a great thread.


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    #22218009 - 09/10/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Wow this has turned into a great thread.




Yeah, I gotta agree.  Despite the hassles, it's fun to participate in a group project and brainstorm on the various problems encountered and the solutions and work-arounds developed.  I for one have NOT given up on getting this done.  Pisses me off that it's not already a done deal, but hey, that's life.  If it was easy, everyone would be doin' it!  :lol:

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