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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: midnightmaraude]
    #22165341 - 08/30/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I actually prefer the metal. I hear the rubber ones are made in china


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: midnightmaraude]
    #22167442 - 08/31/15 01:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe I shouldn't have called it a plug. It's the old over pressure valve.
But no, it doesn't get replaced by a rubber plug. Just leave it alone. NO need to change it.
But here is the new one if you feel like upgrading it.
http://everythingmushrooms.com/cultivation-tools/all-american-pressure-cookers-sterilizers/pressure-cooker-sterilizer-replacement-parts/excess-pressure-relief-valve-releases-at-26psi-640180/


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: tahoe]
    #22167643 - 08/31/15 04:11 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

thanks for the write up man, i ordered both pieces today :cheers:

so just wondering, i know its not supposed to pull a vacuum w/o that extension thing, but has anyone had a vacuum yet hold overnight?  my 941 holds for quite a while with just the jigglier, was hoping i could do the same with this


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: blindingleaf]
    #22167798 - 08/31/15 05:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

People have had it hold a vacuum over night with the red blow out plug. It is a tighter fit.


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: tahoe]
    #22174262 - 09/01/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

violet would like this, shorter PC times and all. I really like this idea but personally I would ruin a lot of cooks if I didn't constantly hear the thing hissing in the other room. The idea of it being impossible or near impossible to lose all the water is a big plus for peace of mind though.

I've enjoyed the back and forth between tahoo and 36fuking5 lately, reminds me of my friends playing devils advocate..


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22174362 - 09/01/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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People have had it hold a vacuum over night with the red blow out plug. It is a tighter fit.



I just did a run last weekend with my newly acquired oldschool 941. I think I'm gonna need to replace the old toggle valve with a newer one. I think it's leaky. There is a slight hiss from it during operation. And the next day after running the cooker there was no vacuum, even with the red plug. I know it pulls a big vacuum on cool down, but won't hold overnight.

So, if you have an older cooker with an old toggle valve, after replacing the blowout plug with the red one, give it a run and see if it holds vacuum overnight. If it doesn't, you probably need to replace the toggle valve.



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I really like this idea but personally I would ruin a lot of cooks if I didn't constantly hear the thing hissing in the other room.





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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Juiceh]
    #22174401 - 09/01/15 03:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

My 25x holds a vacuum for days lol. Apparently the metal capillary tube that attaches to the bottom of the toggle valve is the key component in this. The red plug is key as well because it fits snugly while the black one has play so it only seals when there is pressure in the chamber.

When I bought mine only the gauge and handle needed to be replaced, but the toggle valve will probably be the next part to go.


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: NumeroEno]
    #22174672 - 09/01/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Apparently the metal capillary tube that attaches to the bottom of the toggle valve is the key component in this.



Why would the air exhaust tube make a difference? The toggle and the plug are what are sealing the chamber, are they not? Isn't that air exhaust tube just a tube that reached from the vent port below the toggle valve to the bottom of the basket? What is special about it that would make this a key component to pull vacuum?


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Juiceh]
    #22174726 - 09/01/15 04:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I have no idea.


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: NumeroEno]
    #22176776 - 09/02/15 01:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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My 25x holds a vacuum for days lol. Apparently the metal capillary tube that attaches to the bottom of the toggle valve is the key component in this.




Huh, what? No it doesn't. Why would you even remotely think a hollow tube would play a part in holding negative pressure?

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I have no idea.




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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: tahoe]
    #22177146 - 09/02/15 06:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The capillary tube (also known as the pressure release hose, heh) controls the release of pressure.  Without one your sterilization vessel will not pull into or hold a vacuum.  Try it and see.

I have an All American 941 with stopcock conversion and no capillary tube that does not pull into or hold a vacuum.  My x75's and x 25 all have capillary tubes and all pull into a vacuum and stay there until the ventcock is opened. 

A major advantage of just replacing the weight regulator with the ventcock though is that the PC will hold water for longer while simultaneously being able to be held at higher psi's for longer.


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: hamloaf]
    #22177564 - 09/02/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The capillary tube (also known as the pressure release hose, heh) controls the release of pressure.  Without one your sterilization vessel will not pull into or hold a vacuum.  Try it and see.

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I try it and see every time I use my sterilizer. Mine does not have the vent tube. It is called the air exhaust tube. So maybe we are talking about different things. I have seen a air exhaust tube and it's hollow. There is no way that a hollow pipe will help hold pressure unless it's clogged or you tie it in a knot.




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I have an All American 941 with stopcock conversion and no capillary tube that does not pull into or hold a vacuum.  My x75's and x 25 all have capillary tubes and all pull into a vacuum and stay there until the ventcock is opened. 





Have you listened to the air leak pass the rubber blow out plug? The psi gauge will not let air pass unless it's worn out. The pressure release valve will not let air pass unless it's gets too high. The valve is unaffected buy negative pressure. It should seal tighter with negative pressure. Have you checked to see if your pressure release valve is bad.

Please tell me that you didn't use deductive reasoning for this. Were you wondering why the sterilizer held negative pressure and why the pc didn't. Did you look at them and notice that the only difference was the hose? And then come to the conclusion from that observation? I would almost say that would be over thinking it. It's leaking at the blow out plug or the lid/basin seal. Those are the only places that a properly working pc will leak


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: tahoe]
    #22177672 - 09/02/15 10:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

so i just got mine in the mail.

to add the red plug, i push from the bottom of the lid up?

and for the stop cock, that is literally just wrench tight?  i don't have the oil you mentioned…i have bike oil i think.


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: blindingleaf]
    #22177698 - 09/02/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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so i just got mine in the mail.

to add the red plug, i push from the bottom of the lid up?

and for the stop cock, that is literally just wrench tight?  i don't have the oil you mentioned…i have bike oil i think.




I like to put some Teflon tape on it.  but I don't think it's necessary


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: midnightmaraude]
    #22177823 - 09/02/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The old plug will come out either way. Maybe install the new plug from the bottom side. To tighten the valve maybe tighten with the wrench until it gets snug then force it a 1/4 turn. The grease isn't a must. Teflon tape would be good also. But nothing on the threads is okay also. Take a pic once done


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: blindingleaf]
    #22177848 - 09/02/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The capillary tube (also known as the pressure release hose, heh) controls the release of pressure.  Without one your sterilization vessel will not pull into or hold a vacuum.  Try it and see.

I have an All American 941 with stopcock conversion and no capillary tube that does not pull into or hold a vacuum.  My x75's and x 25 all have capillary tubes and all pull into a vacuum and stay there until the ventcock is opened.


 
Where is it referred to as a pressure release hose? Page 5 here lists it as an air exhaust tube.
http://www.allamerican-chefsdesign.com/admin/FileUploads/Product_38.pdf
And here on page 6 it is only listed as a "flexible air exhaust tube":
http://www.allamerican-chefsdesign.com/admin/FileUploads/Product_31.pdf

The only time I found it refereed to as a "pressure release hose" was in a shroomery thread. No where else on the internet. So, I'd guess that is incorrect.

From the description of it in the AA manuals there doesn't seem to be any possible way that this hollow tube has anything to do with controlling pressure release. The manual says to check it for blockages and make sure it is clear with a wire. Seriously folks, ask yourselves the question. How does a hollow tube that must be clear of blockages control pressure? If you have the answer, please do tell me.

I already have tried what you suggested to try, Ham. My 941 will deffinatley pull vacuum, it doesn't hold it overnight tho. Your 941 should at least pull into vacuum temporarily. Hell, even my 921 with the rocker weight and black blow out plug would pull a temporary vacuum. Check your stopcock and blow out plug on that 941, you have a leak somewhere.

I ordered a replacement toggle valve for my 941. I'll update once I get it.

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There is no way that a hollow pipe will help hold pressure unless it's clogged or you tie it in a knot.



I bet its pretty fucking hard to tie in a knot tight enough to do that! :wink:

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to add the red plug, i push from the bottom of the lid up?



Opposite. To remove the current black plug, push from the underside of the lid. To install the new red one, Install it from the top of the lid, squeeze bottom of the plug and shove the bottom of it through the hole at an angle and work it in. You may be able to install it from the bottom, but I think the top of the plug is thicker rubber and may be harder to flex enough to squeeze it through the hole.

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and for the stop cock, that is literally just wrench tight?



Yup, use a little teflon tape as midnightmaraude suggested. From my experience, the stopcock will not screw in anywhere near as deep as the stock vent pipe does. Honestly I think mine are only 2-3 turns of threads holding them in, which kinda worried me at first. They have teflon tape on the threads and are wrenched tight, no leaks.


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: tahoe]
    #22177855 - 09/02/15 11:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i can't find my crescent wrench, and i just stripped a little bit of the bolt with needle nose pliers :facepalm:

this will be tough to get off, its old. 


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: blindingleaf]
    #22177866 - 09/02/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Use a long socket wrench to remove the vent pipe. I forget the diameter, I think 7/16"? Since the griping area got a little jacked the vent pipe might get jammed in the socket, but you will get the vent pipe uninstalled!


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: blindingleaf]
    #22178029 - 09/02/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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i can't find my crescent wrench, and i just stripped a little bit of the bolt with needle nose pliers :facepalm:

this will be tough to get off, its old. 


thanks J, that makes sense




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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: midnightmaraude]
    #22178266 - 09/02/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I used a crescent wrench wrapped in electrical tape. I tightened everything up 2 full turns past finger tight IIRC. Also, some WD-40 helps get the old parts off.


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