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mupetmower
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: blindingleaf]
#23237105 - 05/17/16 09:44 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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wow, thats weird. that thing couldve popped off while under pressure or something.. crazy. and scary.
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: mupetmower]
#23237174 - 05/17/16 10:12 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ikr? Well...I just asked my buddy about it and he had a guilty look on his face...I have a weird feeling he dropped it or knocked it  Otherwise it seems completely random, no warning signs or anything
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Juiceh
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: blindingleaf]
#23237180 - 05/17/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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blindingleaf said:

Dunno wtf happened here but figured I'd post it. Was fine one day then next day stop coxk started leaking and I went to tighten it after it cooled down and this snapped off 
What were you using to tighten the valve?
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: blindingleaf]
#23237182 - 05/17/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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blindingleaf said: Ikr? Well...I just asked my buddy about it and he had a guilty look on his face...I have a weird feeling he dropped it or knocked it  Otherwise it seems completely random, no warning signs or anything
Oh man
Are you gunna be able to get the piece out?
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: mushpunx]
#23237190 - 05/17/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Same thing happened to me on installing that part. Those three posts aren't very strong. Mine isn't even screwed all the way in. If I would, it would just break my new one.
I used vice grips to grip it and slowly turn it out. Took about 5 minutes.
My new one lets little drops out, but otherwise is good, so I leave it alone.
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filthyknees
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Stargate]
#23238234 - 05/17/16 03:51 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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happened to both pcs when I tried to loosen them due to bad seal a while ago -_-

i tightened it way less the second time around
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: filthyknees]
#23240653 - 05/18/16 02:57 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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What were you using to tighten the valve?
cresent wrench
so u guys just twisted it out with vice grips, then put in a new stop cock when it split in half?
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: blindingleaf]
#23240916 - 05/18/16 05:29 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I was removing them both due to steam leaking when they both broke (using a wrench)
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PutACapInHisAss
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: filthyknees]
#23267836 - 05/24/16 09:45 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Finally finished reading this whole thread and want to see any new posts.
It might be worth it to some to peruse the sterilizer manual:
http://www.allamerican-chefsdesign.com/admin/fileuploads/product_43.pdf
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Juiceh
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: PutACapInHisAss]
#23268794 - 05/25/16 05:49 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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PutACapInHisAss said: Finally finished reading this whole thread and want to see any new posts.
It might be worth it to some to peruse the sterilizer manual:
http://www.allamerican-chefsdesign.com/admin/fileuploads/product_43.pdf
I thought that was linked earlier in the thread. It should be pointed out that step 7 in their sterilization procedure should be ignored for our purposes. Never open the control valve\stopcock to quickly release pressure at the end of the run. This is ok to do if you are sterilizing tools like foil wrapped scalpels and spoons etc. But for our purposes releasing pressure like that can cause mycobags to rupture and stresses your jar lid filters, sometimes even popping siliconed filters off. Also, releasing pressure this way with a bottle of agar in the sterilizer is how you induce massive agar boil over and create a huge mess inside the sterilizer. So unless you are just sterilizing simple tools, for mycology related sterilizer runs always let pressure drop to 0 naturally before opening.
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Juiceh]
#23269079 - 05/25/16 07:55 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Juiceh said:
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PutACapInHisAss said: Finally finished reading this whole thread and want to see any new posts.
It might be worth it to some to peruse the sterilizer manual:
http://www.allamerican-chefsdesign.com/admin/fileuploads/product_43.pdf
I thought that was linked earlier in the thread. It should be pointed out that step 7 in their sterilization procedure should be ignored for our purposes. Never open the control valve\stopcock to quickly release pressure at the end of the run. This is ok to do if you are sterilizing tools like foil wrapped scalpels and spoons etc. But for our purposes releasing pressure like that can cause mycobags to rupture and stresses your jar lid filters, sometimes even popping siliconed filters off. Also, releasing pressure this way with a bottle of agar in the sterilizer is how you induce massive agar boil over and create a huge mess inside the sterilizer. So unless you are just sterilizing simple tools, for mycology related sterilizer runs always let pressure drop to 0 naturally before opening.
It also weakens the jars greatly reducing their lifespan. Last time I dumped pressure I had 3 jars crack. Ain't doing that again.
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23269881 - 05/25/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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blindingleaf
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Juiceh]
#23272735 - 05/26/16 06:15 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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J, was it u that uses vasoline when u install the red plug? manual says to just clean/wipe it, but I'm guessing u have no problems? I'm nervous it could slip out easier, but maybe that wasn't u
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: blindingleaf]
#23272908 - 05/26/16 07:35 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes. When I install the plugs I dab the tip of a qtip in Vaseline and run it around the groove of the plug and wipe off excess. Just enough to give that area a light film coating. Seems to help make it seal and hold vacuum better. I wondered if it would cause the plug to blow out easier. But I haven't had a problem. The stopcock blows open before it becomes a possible issue. I do this on all my units with no issues.
Edited by Juiceh (05/26/16 07:35 AM)
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Juiceh]
#23272991 - 05/26/16 08:10 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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If I hadn't of bought it like this I wouldn't of even known it was possible. Can you guys close your valves and go over standard pressure? A twist valve can't be that expensive especially if in brass. Definitely wouldn't break off.
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: camplo]
#23283237 - 05/29/16 12:13 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Curious, how much water is everyone else using for a normal jar cycle?
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: magicMerlin]
#23283573 - 05/29/16 02:49 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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1.5 qts for jars or bags in 921
i use a little more for agar to keep it insulated longer after cycle is done.
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: blindingleaf]
#23289632 - 05/30/16 08:25 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I use 1qt in my 921, 1.5qt in my 930, and 2qts in my 941. I don't use a water bath for agar or use extra water for insulation with agar prep. I take the agar out at 0psi and cool in front of flowhood and pour at 120f checked with an infrared thermometer. Either agar prep method works, but the way I do it takes a little less time.
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Juiceh]
#23290013 - 05/30/16 10:08 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Juiceh said: I use 1qt in my 921, 1.5qt in my 930, and 2qts in my 941. I don't use a water bath for agar or use extra water for insulation with agar prep. I take the agar out at 0psi and cool in front of flowhood and pour at 120f checked with an infrared thermometer. Either agar prep method works, but the way I do it takes a little less time.
I have one of those thermometers but they are always giving me a different reading. I need to learn how to calibrate it. The manual was translated from italian and the english is just horrible.
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: camplo]
#23291098 - 05/31/16 06:54 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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camplo said:

If I hadn't of bought it like this I wouldn't of even known it was possible. Can you guys close your valves and go over standard pressure? A twist valve can't be that expensive especially if in brass. Definitely wouldn't break off.
Standard pressure of 15-20psi? Yes, the valves blow open around 28psi. I just do 20psi to ensure enough headroom that should give me enough time to notice the pressure getting too high if it happens to creep up. We could install a twist valve on a PC. But then the only safety measure is the blow out plug, where a sterilizer lid also has the excess pressure relief valve and the plug. If anyone with a newer cooker wants to duplicate your setup they will not be able to since all new cookers and sterilizers all have the rubber plug. Gotta find an older model that didn't have the plug if you want to touch the pressures you can hit with your sterilizer.. or find a way to seal the hole for the rubber plug. But if you seal the blow out plug hole and install a twist valve on a modern PC unit you will have no safety features whatsoever.
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