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Juiceh
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Stargate]
#23025219 - 03/20/16 01:47 AM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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No, do not drill out the metal overpressure valve to put in a rubber blow out plug. 
Get a replacement overpressure valve to replace it with. Going from overpressure valve to blow out plug would not be an upgrade IMO.
Post pics of your old AA.
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Juiceh]
#23025667 - 03/20/16 08:58 AM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, is there a certain 30psi+ overpressure valve that I should use for this?
I can take pics tomorrow when I get back to it.
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Stargate]
#23026011 - 03/20/16 11:11 AM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Juiceh]
#23028032 - 03/20/16 09:27 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Stargate]
#23058261 - 03/29/16 09:28 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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fell asleep when cooking grains. these guys were at 25PSI for 6.5hours. all burnt and caramelized.
 
next to nice grains
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: blindingleaf]
#23058384 - 03/29/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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You didn't burn them you maltosed them....maltosed. I bet they'd still colonize!
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: camplo]
#23058452 - 03/29/16 10:28 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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i dunno man…last summer i had a problem with my PC (why i did the conversion) and i would run out of water a lot. usually near end of cycle, so bags still ok (no holes) but grains would be 25-50% "maltosed"and even if it was g2g, colonization was really slow. it wasn't bacteria, it was just bad grains i think.
i already tossed the grains anyways…sucks to start over
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: blindingleaf]
#23058618 - 03/29/16 11:18 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I was trying to stay positive lol! I feel your pain. Its kind hard to narrow in, when the darkening will happen. It happens less, with the lesser presence of water I believe or at least more water facilitates the process. Wheat is more susceptible to caramelize, and millet is supposedly low in starch as far as grains are concerned? I dunno if they are but if its true its probably why they would hold up better in the pc for it is the starches that are getting caramelized. I just did a large batch of millet that went from 15 to 45 psi over the course or 5 hours and they look fine to me?
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Juiceh
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: blindingleaf]
#23058918 - 03/29/16 12:48 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Juiceh said: http://out-grow.com/canner-sterilizer-parts-c-21/all-american-sterilizer-2050cs-excess-pressure-relief-valve-p-190.html
I don't see its release PSI range. Do you know it?
I believe its 30ish psi. Give them a call, they probably know.
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blindingleaf said: fell asleep when cooking grains. these guys were at 25PSI for 6.5hours. all burnt and caramelized.
 
next to nice grains

I overcooked 6 6qt bags of oats a few weeks ago. Fell asleep during the run. They were supposed to run for 3 hours at 20psi. I woke up 4-5 hours into the run, cooker was at 25 psi. Grains were noticeably darker than normal. I prepped them drier than normal since I was going to inoculate with LI. I inoculated them each with 75ml blended cornmeal plate LI. LI recovery was slow. But once I had some colonized mass in the bag to break up and redistribute they colonized quick.
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Juiceh]
#23073711 - 04/02/16 01:28 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm really interested in doing this upgrade but I just want to make sure I am current with what I'm reading. I've tried skimming through the 22 pages but I wanted to double check. If I have a 921 I just need to buy the two pieces from Out-Grow / deep socket wrench and install them?
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: thisisfielding]
#23073968 - 04/02/16 04:14 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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yup. i'd use that anti seize grease too.
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: blindingleaf]
#23075549 - 04/02/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Awesome I'm surer stoked
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: thisisfielding]
#23075655 - 04/02/16 02:30 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Part 65 is the only part I use when I've done the conversion. No need for the overpressure deal IME. The toggle valve has always popped opened to relieve the excess pressure when I wasn't paying attention (it gets your attention) and I've never had a rubber plug pop out before the toggle opened. And I'm talking about literally hundreds of PC cycles over several years on 2 different PC's.
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: FooMan]
#23075759 - 04/02/16 02:57 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Juiceh
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: FooMan]
#23078837 - 04/03/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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FooMan said: Part 65 is the only part I use when I've done the conversion. No need for the overpressure deal IME. The toggle valve has always popped opened to relieve the excess pressure when I wasn't paying attention (it gets your attention) and I've never had a rubber plug pop out before the toggle opened. And I'm talking about literally hundreds of PC cycles over several years on 2 different PC's.
The addition of the red plug is less about the higher blow out rating and more about the tighter fit the red plug has that allows it to hold vacuum on cool down better than the black plug will.
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Juiceh]
#23083669 - 04/04/16 06:29 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Juiceh said: The addition of the red plug is less about the higher blow out rating and more about the tighter fit the red plug has that allows it to hold vacuum on cool down better than the black plug will.
I'm not buying that statement. Both plugs are solid rubber and don't let any steam in or out unless they blow out completely. One doesn't fit tighter. The only difference I see is that the red plug has a slightly wider base which would require more pressure to push it out of the same hole both plug fit perfectly into.
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: FooMan]
#23083919 - 04/04/16 07:26 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Did you see the pics I posted in this thread comparing the blow out plugs? The red one has a tighter fit without a doubt. The black one can and will let air back in, especially if it is an older model plugs. My 921 pulled some vacuum with the black plug and even with the rocker weight. It pulls a much harder vacuum with the red plug. I run vacuum-30psi gauges on all my cookers.
Edited by Juiceh (04/04/16 07:31 PM)
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Juiceh]
#23084094 - 04/04/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Juiceh said: Did you see the pics I posted in this thread comparing the blow out plugs? The red one has a tighter fit without a doubt. The black one can and will let air back in, especially if it is an older model plugs. My 921 pulled some vacuum with the black plug and even with the rocker weight. It pulls a much harder vacuum with the red plug. I run vacuum-30psi gauges on all my cookers.
I honestly didn't read the whole thread or feel like I missed anything by not doing so. I've been using those toggle valves for a long time based on agar (RIP brother) suggesting it many moons ago. If you say the red plug has a better vacuum I believe you. Vacuum or not, I still say you don't need the red plug nor will it increase your success rate.
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: FooMan]
#23084130 - 04/04/16 08:21 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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FooMan said:
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Juiceh said: Did you see the pics I posted in this thread comparing the blow out plugs? The red one has a tighter fit without a doubt. The black one can and will let air back in, especially if it is an older model plugs. My 921 pulled some vacuum with the black plug and even with the rocker weight. It pulls a much harder vacuum with the red plug. I run vacuum-30psi gauges on all my cookers.
I honestly didn't read the whole thread or feel like I missed anything by not doing so. I've been using those toggle valves for a long time based on agar (RIP brother) suggesting it many moons ago. If you say the red plug has a better vacuum I believe you. Vacuum or not, I still say you don't need the red plug nor will it increase your success rate.
Sure, you can get by just fine without it. But, it's only a couple bucks for the peace of mind knowing your cooker\sterilizer isn't pulling in any dirty air.
Do you use tyvek sleeves in the neck of mycobags? If you do then pulling in dirty air doesn't matter much. I use sleeves and the red plug though. Maybe it's overkill, but again, it's cheap insurance that has worked very well for me.
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Juiceh]
#23237065 - 05/17/16 09:33 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dunno wtf happened here but figured I'd post it. Was fine one day then next day stop coxk started leaking and I went to tighten it after it cooled down and this snapped off
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