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camplo
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Juiceh]
#22756514 - 01/09/16 11:28 AM (8 years, 22 days ago) |
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Welt, I figured out that I want to PC at 35psi...lol. at 15psi steam is 250F at 35psi liquid is 250F
These temps are pressure dependent thus once pressure is reached the temp of steam and liquid are static. They're a result of pressure. I wonder if I this would drop pc times to 15min no matter the load?
It obviously isn't needed but I think that it will drastically improve efficacy and shorten pc cycles. Crazy huh.
Edited by camplo (01/09/16 11:45 AM)
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: camplo]
#22756583 - 01/09/16 11:43 AM (8 years, 22 days ago) |
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Just ordered the parts from out-grow, extremely excited about this! When I was using my mom's 8qt presto I didn't mind the shaker because it was a pretty consistent and even sound. The AA jiggler weight is the most annoying thing, before I started putting weights on it I would keep it around 14psi because I couldn't deal with it. Now I have 4 quarters and it stays around 17psi quietly. So stoked to be able to do this. Is it going to ruin the warranty on my new machine?
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: the_r3dz]
#22760327 - 01/10/16 05:52 AM (8 years, 21 days ago) |
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So stoked to be able to do this. Is it going to ruin the warranty on my new machine?
if u do the switch without messing anything up, u can just switch it back if something happens i'd guess. the good thing about AA's is they almost don't even need a warranty. they are bad ass and built like a tank.
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Juiceh
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: camplo]
#22761124 - 01/10/16 11:20 AM (8 years, 21 days ago) |
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camplo said: Welt, I figured out that I want to PC at 35psi...lol. at 15psi steam is 250F at 35psi liquid is 250F
These temps are pressure dependent thus once pressure is reached the temp of steam and liquid are static. They're a result of pressure. I wonder if I this would drop pc times to 15min no matter the load?
It obviously isn't needed but I think that it will drastically improve efficacy and shorten pc cycles. Crazy huh.
This table says that at 35psi the steam temp will be 280.6 F. http://www.turnkeyips.com/assets/steam_temperature_pressure_table.pdf Or am I reading that wrong?
Edited by Juiceh (01/10/16 11:24 AM)
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Juiceh]
#22761156 - 01/10/16 11:29 AM (8 years, 21 days ago) |
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Juiceh said:
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camplo said: Welt, I figured out that I want to PC at 35psi...lol. at 15psi steam is 250F at 35psi liquid is 250F
These temps are pressure dependent thus once pressure is reached the temp of steam and liquid are static. They're a result of pressure. I wonder if I this would drop pc times to 15min no matter the load?
It obviously isn't needed but I think that it will drastically improve efficacy and shorten pc cycles. Crazy huh.
This table says that at 35psi the steam temp will be 280.6 F. http://www.turnkeyips.com/assets/steam_temperature_pressure_table.pdf Or am I reading that wrong?
I'd say you're reading it right
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Juiceh]
#22761158 - 01/10/16 11:29 AM (8 years, 21 days ago) |
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Juiceh said:
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camplo said: Welt, I figured out that I want to PC at 35psi...lol. at 15psi steam is 250F at 35psi liquid is 250F
These temps are pressure dependent thus once pressure is reached the temp of steam and liquid are static. They're a result of pressure. I wonder if I this would drop pc times to 15min no matter the load?
It obviously isn't needed but I think that it will drastically improve efficacy and shorten pc cycles. Crazy huh.
This table says that at 35psi the steam temp will be 280.6 F. http://www.turnkeyips.com/assets/steam_temperature_pressure_table.pdf Or am I reading that wrong?
Yea he hasn't figured out that he doesn't know wtf he is talking about yet. He posted that elsewhere too
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camplo
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: bodhisatta]
#22761605 - 01/10/16 01:08 PM (8 years, 21 days ago) |
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@ Chron why is bodhisatta allowed to troll. Go away dude you aren't adding anything positive to the conversation.
http://www.copper.org/applications/plumbing/techcorner/pdf/saturated_steam_tables.pdf
This is the link that I don't get why they listed liquids to be 250f at 35psi.
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: camplo]
#22761623 - 01/10/16 01:12 PM (8 years, 21 days ago) |
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doesnt say 250f you're reading the table wrong. didnt you just come off a break for trolling yourself camplo?
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: spacechildo]
#22761696 - 01/10/16 01:27 PM (8 years, 21 days ago) |
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No I didn't, but yep I did read the chart wrong.
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: camplo]
#22761708 - 01/10/16 01:30 PM (8 years, 21 days ago) |
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okay, must've been that other cjar dude then.
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: camplo]
#22761750 - 01/10/16 01:38 PM (8 years, 21 days ago) |
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camplo said: @ Chron why is bodhisatta allowed to troll. Go away dude you aren't adding anything positive to the conversation.
http://www.copper.org/applications/plumbing/techcorner/pdf/saturated_steam_tables.pdf
This is the link that I don't get why they listed liquids to be 250f at 35psi.
It's pretty positive to the discussion to shut down people who pretend they can read a graph
You trolled yourself by not actually reading, heat of liquid is defined as BTU/lb
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bodhisatta said: Camp do you know what an asterisk means? * that thing. It means read the fine print.
Heat of liquid is BTU per pound. Not a temperature How many BTUs(per pound of h2o) it will take to get water from 32F to the adjacent point on the chart

You can't believe everything you read, and you need to "read" what you do read.
The heat of liquid for 212f is 180. It takes 180 BTU to get 1LB of h2o into 212f
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Juiceh]
#22790435 - 01/17/16 01:19 PM (8 years, 14 days ago) |
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Juiceh said: I'm gonna take this valve to the hardware store and find a big deep socket that will fit over this thing, should be the same size as the old school one and will help for removal of that one.
Found this at Home depot. 11/16" Deep Impact Socket.


Deep enough to slide the whole valve in with the valve open and switch upright. I'm not fucking up the next valve with the vice grips again! Though, apparently I may shatter the valve. 
This should work nicely to remove the old valve from my 941. I'm gonna disassemble that valve and give it a good cleaning and save it as a backup.
Alright Juiceh! I'm ready to do this upgrade. Just received my parts in the mail. Do you think this piece is truly essential? If so, I think you should add it to the OP, as I just had to mega dig through this thread to find it but thanks for all this great info man, I'm really excited.
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Juiceh
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: the_r3dz]
#22791758 - 01/17/16 07:21 PM (8 years, 13 days ago) |
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It makes the job of installing or removing the new or old stopcock super easy without tearing up the grip spot on the valve. I tore my first one up a bit with vice grips. The socket also gives contact points all around the valve which I think will help more evenly distribute the torque through the valve and reduce the chances of breaking it like seen in this thread. You can get the stopcock installed without one, so it's not essential. But, I think the socket is the best way to go. If someone happens to have one it probably would help to have that info in the OP. A 11\16" ratchet wrench would work too. I didn't have one at the time.
I did not write the OP, I can't edit it.
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Juiceh]
#22793751 - 01/18/16 10:14 AM (8 years, 13 days ago) |
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Juiceh said: It makes the job of installing or removing the new or old stopcock super easy without tearing up the grip spot on the valve. I tore my first one up a bit with vice grips. The socket also gives contact points all around the valve which I think will help more evenly distribute the torque through the valve and reduce the chances of breaking it like seen in this thread. You can get the stopcock installed without one, so it's not essential. But, I think the socket is the best way to go. If someone happens to have one it probably would help to have that info in the OP. A 11\16" ratchet wrench would work too. I didn't have one at the time.
I did not write the OP, I can't edit it.
Just realized that this was Tahoe's write up, my bad. Either way, good advice with that. It's only like 8 bucks so I might as well get it.
Thanks to everybody for this excellent info. My new AA is amazing and I totally love it, with 4 quarters I can keep it just under 17psi without making all that annoying sound but I want to be able to bring it higher, with absolutely no sound.
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: the_r3dz]
#22793808 - 01/18/16 10:26 AM (8 years, 13 days ago) |
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You will like the conversion. The stopcock will make a loud sound if the pressure gets too high tho.
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Juiceh]
#22794100 - 01/18/16 11:40 AM (8 years, 13 days ago) |
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Just recently did the upgrade myself, have only done a couple runs with it since but I love it! No more worrying about running out of water on longer runs, quiet, higher pressure with less power use good work guys 
I just used the correct opened end wrench to install mine, used a bit of Teflon tape as a precaution but with those type of threads may be unnecessary.
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: NDStepp84]
#22880295 - 02/08/16 07:10 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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hey upgraders was wondering if you have any insight into a little problem.
One of the threads was off (very off), is there a way to re-thread the lid? (many successful cycles but later leaked)
sterilizer specific: after working 110% for many cycles my sterilizer bit is now not holding a seal. (different unit)
I experienced this for the first time today. I left my pc sealed with jars from a previous cycle about one day ago which went fine. No bumping or anything occurred between the end of the last (successful 2.5 hour) cycle and loading today. The lid was off for only a few minutes while loading an agar bottle. and now I've tried twice, making sure the metal to metal is all good, it's the part that screws in.
sucks because now I have no working pc's this second with 750ml of unsterilized agar :\
I imagine wait for it to cool, screw another half turn tight? repeated heating/cooling loosened it?
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: filthyknees]
#22880338 - 02/08/16 07:22 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yikes, so your valve is slowly loosening itself over every cycle, or do you mean it was cross-threaded initially?
Can you tell that steam is escaping from the threads and something is not just blocking the release valve opening?
Someone else in this thread had to re-tap their lid.
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: magicMerlin]
#22880431 - 02/08/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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on one unit it is clearly cross threaded initially. thanks for that link I was thinking I had to visit a metal shop. 
the other, I do not think any steam is coming from the threads themselves but from where steam normally exits before closing the valve.
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: filthyknees]
#22886970 - 02/10/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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to update for the future here's what the inside looks like

that little rubber circle had gotten loose of where it is housed in the picture - I think this is what caused the leak.
the position on the valve is half open/closed. the spring retracts up when open.
Does anyone see their little black plastic circle loose? maybe hard to see.
they're are so easy to break
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