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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: LocN9ne]
#22456567 - 10/31/15 05:44 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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nice….on so many levels
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: LocN9ne]
#22456574 - 10/31/15 05:51 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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fuck yeah...I'm bout to dive into my SAB for some wet work myself...Happy Halloween Motherfuckers here's some underboob

Man I like under boob just as much as side boob.
And mushroom tattoos.. wanna marry that chick
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: mushpunx]
#22456578 - 10/31/15 05:53 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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chicks with tattoos….yes please
chicks with mushroom tattoos? don't let me near em
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: LocN9ne]
#22456982 - 10/31/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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LocN9ne said: Happy Halloween Motherfuckers here's some underboob

LOVE ladies with sexy, sweet tats...'errr, tits, errr...you know what I mean! 
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Nature Boy] 1
#22471877 - 11/03/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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The 1.5" gauge with the 1/8" npt threads was waiting for me at home when I got there at like 2am. I installed it on the 921 and went to bed. It's a cheap gauge and I'm not thrilled with where the needle is sitting. The paperwork it came with said that if the gauge has moved from 0 when it arrives that you can pop off the rubber cap on the back to release the pressure for like 20 seconds then close it back up. I did that. Probably will upgrade this to something better.

I got a nicer 2-1/2" dial gauge with 1/4" npt threads waiting for me when I get home from work. I'm thinking about putting it on the 941 tonight.
*Edit*

Test runs tomorrow.
Edited by Juiceh (11/03/15 10:59 PM)
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Juiceh]
#22509867 - 11/11/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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So, my upgrade parts arrived today. Red blowouts, for the 915, and the 941. And, a release valve for the 941. The 915 is an older one, that I've had for 25 years, so it didn't come with a rocker.
Went fast n easy! I took the 941 up to 28 psi, for a little test. A bit of steam started venting at 27.
Up to this point, I've been cooking jars for 1 1/2 - 2 hours @20 psi. Don't ask me how I was stopping the rocker, on the 941.
So, I have a question: If I sterilize at 25 psi, what do ya all figure that a good duration would be?
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Green Bastard]
#22510115 - 11/11/15 04:25 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I still go 1.5-2 hours at the higher PSI. Usually I go 2 hrs for jars and 2.5-3 for bigger spawn bags
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: mushpunx]
#22510358 - 11/11/15 05:17 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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So is this an actual upgrade? Just got my AA, the sound doesn't bother me as much as my noisy ass Presto.
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: taGyo] 1
#22510856 - 11/11/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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taGyo said: So is this an actual upgrade? Just got my AA, the sound doesn't bother me as much as my noisy ass Presto.
Yes. Benefits include higher achievable pressure and temp, silent operation, no running dry, ability to do very long cooks if you want, cooker is sealed on cooldown and contents remain sterile until you crack the stopcock open in front of a hood. All advantages.
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Juiceh]
#22511991 - 11/11/15 11:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Juiceh said:
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taGyo said: So is this an actual upgrade? Just got my AA, the sound doesn't bother me as much as my noisy ass Presto.
Yes. Benefits include higher achievable pressure and temp, silent operation, no running dry, ability to do very long cooks if you want, cooker is sealed on cooldown and contents remain sterile until you crack the stopcock open in front of a hood. All advantages.

I bought a 921 just because of this thread. The silence is amazing, I can PC with company over now.
Juiceh, have you run the new gauges yet?
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: mushpunx]
#22513772 - 11/12/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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mushpunx said: I still go 1.5-2 hours at the higher PSI. Usually I go 2 hrs for jars and 2.5-3 for bigger spawn bags

What psi are you maintaining?
I'm thinking the same, pretty well. Probably gonna go with 1 1/2 hours. It'll save enough time that my 2 runs of 26 jars won't be such a slog, to pull off in one day. Sometimes, when I was at 15 psi, I was going as long as 2 1/2 hours, for jars. Probably excessive, but I haven't lost one to mold, or bacteria, since June... I load them much fuller than most folks seem to, as well. Then, the extra from g2g goes in. Yes, shaking them is a bit of a bitch, but I make it work.
It would be interesting to see a comparison chart, with duration and psi, for propper sterilization.
I do love the hard vacuum that the new valve holds! I'll probably upgrade the valve on my 915, now that I've seen how the new one performs on the 941.
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Green Bastard]
#22514529 - 11/12/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I just wanted to add, since I don't believe that it's been brought up, is that you only need 3/4" to 7/8" of water in this system. I've read some misleading info on that around the forum. I got that info from a WAFCO technician.
Happy times with the AA system!
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: magicMerlin]
#22514801 - 11/12/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Green Bastard said: I load them much fuller than most folks seem to, as well. Then, the extra from g2g goes in. Yes, shaking them is a bit of a bitch, but I make it work.
I load my jars more than normal as well. These are after the G2G transfer, barely any room to shake, but not really that hard to shake once you figure it out:

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bootster said: I just wanted to add, since I don't believe that it's been brought up, is that you only need 3/4" to 7/8" of water in this system. I've read some misleading info on that around the forum. I got that info from a WAFCO technician.
Happy times with the AA system!
I think I mentioned it somewhere in the thread that much less water is required. I use 3/4" to 1". Less water = faster heatup, another plus.
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magicMerlin said: Juiceh, have you run the new gauges yet?
Yes. I have found that liquid filled gauges are no good for this application. I ran the 2 gauges I posted above, the smaller one on the 921, the larger one on the 941. The smaller gauge on the 921 started showing vacuum during the air purge, same with the gauge I put on the 941. But the smaller gauge was worse. I did manage to get a good pic tho:

I got the dry gauges with 1/4 fittings. I tested one out on the 941. No bs on heatup like the liquid filled gauges. Dry gauges seem to be the way to go. Here is the dry gauge on the test run. I went to bed before it pulled full vacuum so I don't have a picture of that.

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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Juiceh]
#22514898 - 11/12/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks Juiceh for confirming that. I was looking at some older links and one member said to use 4 Inches of water. That's right, 4 inches, and was never called on it. Thanks again.
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: bootster]
#22515004 - 11/12/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Right on Juiceh!
Yeah, even when I wasn't jamming my weight with a tea towel, and was runnng at 15psi for 2 hours, I only ever noticed a max of 1/4" water loss. As for full jars, I figure why go to all the work of prepping jars n lids, filling, sterilizing, g2g ing, colonizing, for 3/4 of a quart? I use 7 jars, for my 105quart tubs. Makes for a noticeable amount more spawn, for not much more work. Having my rye soak/simmer/air dry process dialed in perfectly certainly makes a difference, for shaking (actually, banging!) jars, too.
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Juiceh]
#22515938 - 11/12/15 09:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Got a link to that dry gauge??
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Nature Boy] 1
#22520312 - 11/13/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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There are 2 parts needed from the hardware store to adapt the 1/4" fitting on the 2" dry gauges to the cooker lid. A 1/8" MIP hex nipple and a 1/4" FIP x 1/8" FIP Coupling. It is also not a bad idea to use a little Teflon tape on the threads.

The nipples are $2.13 + tax and the couplers are $3.98 + tax at home depot. *EDIT* Ace hardware apparently in some locations may have 1 part that would replace the 2 previously mentioned parts. This is a better option if you can get it. Info is later in the thread.*EDIT*
You need 3 wrenches: 7/16" for nipple 5/8" for coupling 9/16" for gauge
Doing this with the right tools is a breeze.
I first installed the nipple into the coupling. Then the gauge the to other end of the coupling. Then finally install the other end of the nipple into the lid of your AA.
The gauge pictured above in this post is slightly different than the gauge in the previous post on my 941. However, they are both the same gauge. The only difference is some extra "DuraChoice" labeling. The one with no labeling is the OEM version. It was $3.99 +$3.96 shipping. The OEM version isn't available anymore it seems. I got it off amazon. This is the OEM one, it is also made by DuraChoice:

Here is the link for the OEM gauge, the option for the vacuum + 30 psi gauge is no longer on the page tho. You could check the page often and get one as soon as it becomes available if it does again. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DVJTQH0?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
But here is a link to the non OEM version, it is in stock, it cost $6.37 +$3.83 shipping. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006VE2ZWA?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
So for very close to the same price of a new PC or Sterilizer gauge you can adapt one of these gauges that shows vacuum as well as pressure. If you can get one of the OEM gauges it would be cheaper. I was gonna get one more OEM gauge to convert all my gauges to these. But I will probably just get another of the non OEM ones since the OEM ones are not available now.
Edited by Juiceh (03/06/16 11:56 PM)
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Juiceh]
#22526287 - 11/15/15 05:04 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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OK...I bought myself a new gauge (awaiting delivery) seeing as how mine is possibly/probably off by at least 4 psi. When you are toying with pressures near the burst-point of the safety plug or valve seat, I figure accuracy is paramount. Going to try to purchase the adapters at Ace Hardware, which is a lot closer to home.
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Nature Boy]
#22526484 - 11/15/15 07:30 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nature Boy said: OK...I bought myself a new gauge (awaiting delivery) seeing as how mine is possibly/probably off by at least 4 psi. When you are toying with pressures near the burst-point of the safety plug or valve seat, I figure accuracy is paramount. Going to try to purchase the adapters at Ace Hardware, which is a lot closer to home.
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I agree. Thanks for doing the legwork Juiceh. I love the idea of a vacuum gauge on my sterilizers/conversions. Great job once again.
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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: bootster]
#22530476 - 11/16/15 03:38 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Damnit! I just broke one of these gauges installing it! I was tightening the gauge into the coupler before finally screwing the nipple into the lid. Fucker slipped and fell like 3 inches onto the table. When I picked it up it was no longer at 0, but showing ~5" of vacuum. I tapped on the glass with my finger twice and with each tap the needle dropped until it was at 30" vacuum. 
These are fragile, so be careful not to drop them.
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