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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: blindingleaf]
    #22422617 - 10/23/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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"i was also stoned, and accidentally put the gauge on the right for the 921:blazed:"

I saw that and realized it was a PC. A sterilizer won't work that way because of the tube. It has to go to the right to line up with the channel in the basket.

Good luck and enjoy. :rockon:



Does the basket only fit into the base in one orientation? You can't turn the basket at all? If not it will probably still work just fine if you snake the hose down between the jars etc.



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for curiosity's sake, i will ask, some have said that cooking agar recipes above 15 PSI cam cause unwanted caramelization.  today is first day i used this stop cock with agar.  i didn 45 minutes for two 500ml bottles.  it got up to 20 for a bit, but not long, maybe 10 minutes.  brought down, finished cycle.  poured.  wondering if any more comments on that?  i will keep it to 15 PSI if necessary, but wanted to see some pics of caracelmized media first.



I run everything at 20psi. The only time I've noticed significant darkening\caramelization of the agar is when I was still pcing at 15psi but I let it go longer, like 45 mins. So, I think that the length of cook time may have more to do with it than higher pressure. My agar runs are 35 mins at 20psi, I could probably reduce the time.
These 2  jars were run at 20psi for 35 mins. It's grain water agar and the grain water portion(50%) was boiling with the grains for 45 mins already before pcing.



Here is some MEA cooked for the same time and pressure.



I don't have pics of it, but the 45min @ 15psi agar(MEA) I cooked a long time ago was darker.


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Juiceh]
    #22424027 - 10/23/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The tube isn't very long. It is designed to go into a "channel" inside the basket in order to allow steam to be present in the bottom of the basket as the cool air is exhausted out of the basket. The petcock is perfectly aligned with the channel in the basket so that the tube, attached to the petcock, can slip down into the channel in perfect alignment. The goal here is to keep the tube out of any liquid that could accumulate in the bottom of the basket. The applied channel on the inside of the basket, is an "extension" of the tube so that the steam can run through the channel without any chance of liquid coming into contact with the end of the tube.

I'd hate to see what would happen if liquid, or debris, got forced out of the tube through the petcock.


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: bootster]
    #22424090 - 10/23/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Only electric sterilizers have a basket and if you run it without the basket you need to ziptie the tube up to the top of the lid.


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22424143 - 10/23/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

cool.  i haven't used the plates i did yet, but they don't look darker, it got up to 20 for a little bit though.
i do 40 min at 15 usually for 2x 500ml agar bottles.  hasn't been a problem yet.


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22424337 - 10/23/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know where you are getting your information but that is totally untrue. I have shown you in a previous post Non Electric Sterilizer that they ALL come with baskets and I know what I'm talking about because I own two now and have sold a few.


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: bootster]
    #22424479 - 10/23/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hmm. Booster is correct. All new aa sterilizers come with the basket, tube, etc. Not sure why this was brought up.


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: tahoe]
    #22424738 - 10/23/15 08:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I brought it up and was wrong about the left from right. You can place the gauge on the left and still line up the tube with the channel. Just place the basket @ 180 degrees and it will work. My bad.


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: bootster]
    #22424778 - 10/23/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hmm thats weird,  wonder why they started putting baskets in the stovetop models.


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22424790 - 10/23/15 09:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Why would they not? The only difference is the electric ones have an integral heating element, besides that, they function in the same exact manner and principle.


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: bootster]
    #22424890 - 10/23/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Because the whole point of it was to provide something to hold the materials better on the rack. Guess i alwys thought of the rack as a way to hold things above the element. Maybe i was wrong. But anyway it restricts space. Many people who rock an electric don't use the liner at all and tie up the line to the top of the lid. The whole reason for the line is push the air trapped in the liner out first.  With out it you don't want the line extending to the bottom because the air gets trapped at the top and your just pumping out the steam as it forms.

FYI a 75x can run 12 quart jars with liner, 16 without.


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22425185 - 10/23/15 10:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

My 941 runs 20 Qts ( PC, no basket), my 1925X runs 10 Qts (without basket). My 1915X runs 7 Qts (without basket). I never run the sterilizers with the baskets unless I'm doing bags, agar, needles, scalpels, glass petri dishes, no pour petris, ect. This is where a sterilizer really shines. "Dry heat" sterilization. Running bags in the sterilizers is so much easier because of the baskets. No worries about the bags touching the sides or bottom of the unit this way.

EDIT: I claimed that the 941 would take 20 jars and it only takes 19. I don't use it enough to remember. :shrug:


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: bootster] * 1
    #22426130 - 10/24/15 07:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I have just made an important discovery in this process.



The sterilizer gauge pin is 3.5 PSI below the O PSI reference. I have just done a run last night and it is holding a vacuum, as you can see by the gauge. Let's look at my other scenario.
The PC gauge has the low limit pin set at 0 PSI. A PC with a rocker is never supposed to form a vacuum, therefore set at the factory at the "0" mark. When you convert to a toggle, unless you open it right when it reaches "0", it will form a vacuum.
As you can see, the Pressure Canner gauge reads 3.5 psi with NO pressure, at rest. That's because I have used it on a sterilizer, and the vacuum created in the vessel has stressed geared gauge (IMO). In all fairness, I have run a number of runs with this gauge on and it may take a while for the needle to reflect this abnormality.

I am curious to see feedback on this thread to see if anyone notices a change on the needle at rest. Just a heads up.


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: bootster]
    #22426866 - 10/24/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I am curious to see feedback on this thread to see if anyone notices a change on the needle at rest. Just a heads up.




I expressed this exact same concern one page back (Page 13).  My needle looks exactly like yours.  In fairness, though, I think it looked like that BEFORE the conversion...

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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Nature Boy]
    #22427363 - 10/24/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry, I read this entire thread at least once and missed it. Let's hope others can relate their experience with this as well. When I finished the run this morning, the needle on the PC gauge went all the way down to zero, but since the toggle leaks a tiny bit it went right back up to where it was before I began after it lost the little bit of vacuum.

EDIT: I see that different gauges were made different. I must have glossed over pg. 13. :rolleyes:


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22428126 - 10/24/15 04:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I bet it helps insure things get sterilized


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: tahoe]
    #22428129 - 10/24/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

what is the change in the needle?


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: bootster]
    #22428166 - 10/24/15 04:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hey, man...no apologies!  It's simply a matter of great minds thinking alike!  :lol:  My dial is perma-pegged at +4.  :facepalm:



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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Nature Boy]
    #22428399 - 10/24/15 05:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Notice your pin is below the "0" mark. Mine is AT the "0" mark and I saw another that looked like it didn't have a pin at all. I guess mine is stuck at "2". Very interesting.


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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: bootster]
    #22428548 - 10/24/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I wish mine DIDN'T have a peg.  I think the dial indicator needle would have remained accurate in its absence.

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Re: How to Safely Upgrade your All American pc [Re: Nature Boy]
    #22429760 - 10/24/15 10:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Shitty! I am cooking up some agar and wasn't paying attention as it cooled. I wanted to catch it at 1-0psi and open the valve.
Well I caught it at -3ish. So I lightly opened it and allowed it to slowly suck in air. I opened the sterilizer to find this. I think the venting at neg pressure sucked in the polyfill plug. This is the first time I did it this way and this is the first time that I have had the poly get sucked it.
Looks like I will have to wait another hour or two to pour dishes tonight.



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